Exercise - why do so few do it and not poking fun at fatties
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LordGrover said:
Sorry, didn't know that.
So we're back to the above; exercise doesn't need to be exercise, just more active. Gardening, housework, car cleaning, walking, cycling, etc.
Unless there is something strenuous involved, heart beat, breathing increasing a goodly amount, I don't think gardening, housework or car cleaning count as anything. Better than sitting on your arse, I'll admit, but hardly a form of exercise. So we're back to the above; exercise doesn't need to be exercise, just more active. Gardening, housework, car cleaning, walking, cycling, etc.
Having said that, a 150kg fattie I used to work with was told by his dietician that simple things, like throwing out the TV remote, was a good way to begin getting the pounds off. Just getting up every time he wanted to change channel was considered a good start.
I am always busy at home, always on my feet, making stuff, around the house, with the dogs, cleaning the yard of their donations, etc, but most of the time there is nothing strenuous involved. Again, better than vegetating in front of the TV, but not enough to keep healthy and fit.
Hoofy said:
Helping 80-somethings to eat? f
k that. I'd rather be dead.
Fact is, the best he can do is a brisk walk. Talk about being trapped in my own body.
Well he is a charitable sot so he chose to give back.k that. I'd rather be dead.Fact is, the best he can do is a brisk walk. Talk about being trapped in my own body.
You don't know what he can do for a fact. He was fully compos mentis and was very active, more active than most and had no physical issues. 118, 'kin ell he was born in 1897. That kind of life has seen so many changes, it's like sci-fi time travel. What would I see in the 22nd century. I don't see why anyone wouldn't wanna be like him. If you were ill then fine. He was no more 'trapped' in his body than anyone in this thread.
When I first started trying to do some exercise it almost killed me and that was just a few minutes. For those that have got themselves out of shape trying to do something about it is quite hard and suspect a fair few park in the too difficult/what's the point box.
Exercise needs to be enjoyable so a case of finding something that works for the individual.
Exercise needs to be enjoyable so a case of finding something that works for the individual.
Halb said:
Hoofy said:
Helping 80-somethings to eat? fk that. I'd rather be dead.
Fact is, the best he can do is a brisk walk. Talk about being trapped in my own body.
Well he is a charitable sot so he chose to give back.k that. I'd rather be dead.Fact is, the best he can do is a brisk walk. Talk about being trapped in my own body.
You don't know what he can do for a fact. He was fully compos mentis and was very active, more active than most and had no physical issues. 118, 'kin ell he was born in 1897. That kind of life has seen so many changes, it's like sci-fi time travel. What would I see in the 22nd century. I don't see why anyone wouldn't wanna be like him. If you were ill then fine. He was no more 'trapped' in his body than anyone in this thread.
I don't think you understand what I mean about being trapped in his body but I guess whether he's trapped in his body or not is whether he's happy to trot along rather than sprint or go rock climbing. I suppose he isn't because he seems happy enough with brisk walking. In that respect, I am not trapped in my body as I can do everything I want to do and am working towards some stuff that I would like to do where training is the only thing I have to do.
I've worked with stroke victims etc and do see extreme levels of being trapped in your own body. I've also fed such people. It's depressing. If my life were just about feeding old people and walking, I'd feel very trapped in my own body.
Hoofy said:
True, we don't know what he can do but I will make some educated guesses.
I don't think you understand what I mean about being trapped in his body but I guess whether he's trapped in his body or not is whether he's happy to trot along rather than sprint or go rock climbing. I suppose he isn't because he seems happy enough with brisk walking. In that respect, I am not trapped in my body as I can do everything I want to do and am working towards some stuff that I would like to do where training is the only thing I have to do.
I've worked with stroke victims etc and do see extreme levels of being trapped in your own body. I've also fed such people. It's depressing. If my life were just about feeding old people and walking, I'd feel very trapped in my own body.
The kind of educated guesses I would have made previously about a 118 year old or even someone 20-30 years younger were all thrown out of the window by the man I saw on screen.I don't think you understand what I mean about being trapped in his body but I guess whether he's trapped in his body or not is whether he's happy to trot along rather than sprint or go rock climbing. I suppose he isn't because he seems happy enough with brisk walking. In that respect, I am not trapped in my body as I can do everything I want to do and am working towards some stuff that I would like to do where training is the only thing I have to do.
I've worked with stroke victims etc and do see extreme levels of being trapped in your own body. I've also fed such people. It's depressing. If my life were just about feeding old people and walking, I'd feel very trapped in my own body.
I've known 80s year olds do remarkable things, watching the show, allowed me to understand that it is also possible for a centurion to still do the same things.
He made the line about helping out people in their 90s as a sign that he helped those who were much younger than himself, yet physically incapable, it wasn't his raison d'être for life. He became very active when he did his lil skit mocking the extreme athletes. We don't know what he does.
When I first started trying to do some exercise it almost killed me and that was just a few minutes. For those that have got themselves out of shape trying to do something about it is quite hard and suspect a fair few park in the too difficult/what's the point box.
'Exercise needs to be enjoyable so a case of finding something that works for the individual.' Some sort of quote
Exercise isn't easy. That's fact. But bust though that pain and it'll be the most empowering thing you've ever done/do. Fact is, for most of us, we're lazy cockwits. Lie down and die or fight and be fit. I'm now, proudly, in the be fit camp. Even now, I could never be fit enough. I may well die of something horrific un-health related in the near future but well, f~ck it I was probably going to die of that anyway. In the meantime, I'll run 10 miles and feel AMAZING about myself and how empowered I feel. Fitness, for me, is the new religion. And I never really got religion in the first place.
But I still love a bit of cake. I just don't eat the whole of it.
'Exercise needs to be enjoyable so a case of finding something that works for the individual.' Some sort of quote
Exercise isn't easy. That's fact. But bust though that pain and it'll be the most empowering thing you've ever done/do. Fact is, for most of us, we're lazy cockwits. Lie down and die or fight and be fit. I'm now, proudly, in the be fit camp. Even now, I could never be fit enough. I may well die of something horrific un-health related in the near future but well, f~ck it I was probably going to die of that anyway. In the meantime, I'll run 10 miles and feel AMAZING about myself and how empowered I feel. Fitness, for me, is the new religion. And I never really got religion in the first place.
But I still love a bit of cake. I just don't eat the whole of it.
skintemma said:
When I first started trying to do some exercise it almost killed me and that was just a few minutes. For those that have got themselves out of shape trying to do something about it is quite hard and suspect a fair few park in the too difficult/what's the point box.
'Exercise needs to be enjoyable so a case of finding something that works for the individual.' Some sort of quote
Exercise isn't easy. That's fact. But bust though that pain and it'll be the most empowering thing you've ever done/do. Fact is, for most of us, we're lazy cockwits. Lie down and die or fight and be fit. I'm now, proudly, in the be fit camp. Even now, I could never be fit enough. I may well die of something horrific un-health related in the near future but well, f~ck it I was probably going to die of that anyway. In the meantime, I'll run 10 miles and feel AMAZING about myself and how empowered I feel. Fitness, for me, is the new religion. And I never really got religion in the first place.
But I still love a bit of cake. I just don't eat the whole of it.
To be fair I managed to move past the humiliation of being totally unfit. Planning to do 2x21k running over Easter and really looking forward to it . 'Exercise needs to be enjoyable so a case of finding something that works for the individual.' Some sort of quote
Exercise isn't easy. That's fact. But bust though that pain and it'll be the most empowering thing you've ever done/do. Fact is, for most of us, we're lazy cockwits. Lie down and die or fight and be fit. I'm now, proudly, in the be fit camp. Even now, I could never be fit enough. I may well die of something horrific un-health related in the near future but well, f~ck it I was probably going to die of that anyway. In the meantime, I'll run 10 miles and feel AMAZING about myself and how empowered I feel. Fitness, for me, is the new religion. And I never really got religion in the first place.
But I still love a bit of cake. I just don't eat the whole of it.
Being fat/overweight now is quite abhorrent to me personally.
Halb said:
The kind of educated guesses I would have made previously about a 118 year old or even someone 20-30 years younger were all thrown out of the window by the man I saw on screen.
I've known 80s year olds do remarkable things, watching the show, allowed me to understand that it is also possible for a centurion to still do the same things.
He made the line about helping out people in their 90s as a sign that he helped those who were much younger than himself, yet physically incapable, it wasn't his raison d'être for life. He became very active when he did his lil skit mocking the extreme athletes. We don't know what he does.
I'm sure he can't sprint or go rock climbing despite his unusual physical fitness.I've known 80s year olds do remarkable things, watching the show, allowed me to understand that it is also possible for a centurion to still do the same things.
He made the line about helping out people in their 90s as a sign that he helped those who were much younger than himself, yet physically incapable, it wasn't his raison d'être for life. He became very active when he did his lil skit mocking the extreme athletes. We don't know what he does.
Me too ( I don't know how to quote). I'm appalled to discover that I'm actually a total fattist. But, hey ho, sooner that than a racist. Was fat, now slim. I find it hilarious that people ask me how to lose weight (like I'm the expert). STOP EATING. And a lot of people don't like to hear it because they don't actually eat much. No, course you don't.
Look, fat/overweight people, stop eating so much. That's the answer. It's not your thyroid/metabolism/genetic make-up/some unknown problem that no-one else has. You eat too much and don't move enough. Therein lies your problem. The end.
Look, fat/overweight people, stop eating so much. That's the answer. It's not your thyroid/metabolism/genetic make-up/some unknown problem that no-one else has. You eat too much and don't move enough. Therein lies your problem. The end.
There are quite a few people that confuse "going to the gym" with actually going to the gym and exercising. My brother often comments how he sees "larger" women in the pool and all they do is stand there chatting then heading off for a coffee. But they have spent an hour or two at the gym, they didn't go anything while they were there, but that's beside the point.
A lady I know wants to do the 3 Peaks Challenge. I got her to go to the couch to 5k type course that my club do. After 8 weeks she just about managed 5k. I took her to my Pilates class, she went a couple of times and told her mates how she "does Pilates", I go every week, she's be a couple of times. It looks like she expected to do a few running sessions, not take her cardi off because she's not built up enough of a sweat and be super fit, not realising it takes months and months of graft and blowing out of your arse to get fit, never mind getting out when the weather is crap and you've got home from work late.
A lady I know wants to do the 3 Peaks Challenge. I got her to go to the couch to 5k type course that my club do. After 8 weeks she just about managed 5k. I took her to my Pilates class, she went a couple of times and told her mates how she "does Pilates", I go every week, she's be a couple of times. It looks like she expected to do a few running sessions, not take her cardi off because she's not built up enough of a sweat and be super fit, not realising it takes months and months of graft and blowing out of your arse to get fit, never mind getting out when the weather is crap and you've got home from work late.
Thing is, it doesn't actually take months and months of blowing out your arse. Seriously, that's a misconception. I lost nearly three stone in 4 months. Ten minutes, five times a week and a training session, once a week, for an hour and a half (forty pounds for two of us, in case you're wondering). That's it. But then, I think our guy is brilliant. We have never left the house for a session, it's never cost us anything for equipment, etc and, actually, we've saved money because we're not bingeing on snacks. Bargain.
Two stone in three months, the last one was a little bit harder but then, I wasn't massively overweight in the first place. But I was still overweight. Now, I get the whole 'You're too thin'. I'm not. I'm what I should weigh but people's perceptions have changed. They may think I'm thin but F*** me, I'm strong
Two stone in three months, the last one was a little bit harder but then, I wasn't massively overweight in the first place. But I was still overweight. Now, I get the whole 'You're too thin'. I'm not. I'm what I should weigh but people's perceptions have changed. They may think I'm thin but F*** me, I'm strong
Hoofy said:
Remind me what the last bit means. I recall him saying something about that.
Upon being asked what his secret was, he said moderation. That's why he has his 1958 treadmill and the other stuff he does, and taking the piss out of gym bunnies. He 'exercises' but it's not balls to the wall. Same with diet. The presenter said then maybe moderation could be done in moderation. So he'll have a burger now and then...take 10 years off, have a few drinks in the week...another ten gone etc and some other stuff, so he'd be quite happy with being 80 years old and as in good shape as the old guy.King Herald said:
LordGrover said:
Sorry, didn't know that.
So we're back to the above; exercise doesn't need to be exercise, just more active. Gardening, housework, car cleaning, walking, cycling, etc.
Unless there is something strenuous involved, heart beat, breathing increasing a goodly amount, I don't think gardening, housework or car cleaning count as anything. Better than sitting on your arse, I'll admit, but hardly a form of exercise. So we're back to the above; exercise doesn't need to be exercise, just more active. Gardening, housework, car cleaning, walking, cycling, etc.
Having said that, a 150kg fattie I used to work with was told by his dietician that simple things, like throwing out the TV remote, was a good way to begin getting the pounds off. Just getting up every time he wanted to change channel was considered a good start.
I am always busy at home, always on my feet, making stuff, around the house, with the dogs, cleaning the yard of their donations, etc, but most of the time there is nothing strenuous involved. Again, better than vegetating in front of the TV, but not enough to keep healthy and fit.
StevieBee said:
Pretty much every ailment that can negatively affect lives from stress, depression, back ache to even the more serious stuff (not that these aren't serious) can be avoided, cured or their effects reduced with exercise.
How many really fat old people do you see? Not many. They all keeled over in their 50s and 60s.
It's the couch potatoes who benefit most from relatively minor lifestyle changes, not those of us who actively partake in sport/training/exercise. How many really fat old people do you see? Not many. They all keeled over in their 50s and 60s.
otolith said:
I don't think it would do any harm if models had physiques more like this;
than this;
They are stood side on mind. I've shared water with some of those ladies and they do have quiet broad shoulders, definitely put some guys to shame with how built their top halves are. Quite upside down triangle.than this;
ExV8 said:
When I first started trying to do some exercise it almost killed me and that was just a few minutes. For those that have got themselves out of shape trying to do something about it is quite hard and suspect a fair few park in the too difficult/what's the point box.
Exercise needs to be enjoyable so a case of finding something that works for the individual.
Sport.... Batting around in the gym or doing a class or whatever for no real reason other than to burn cals is dull. Pick a sport, find one you enjoy, one you get interested in. Then you're doing it to get better, better performance, improving technique, coming in next week to hand tony his ass.... The calories then take care of themselves.Exercise needs to be enjoyable so a case of finding something that works for the individual.
Everyone is different though, some just don't like moving. I've spent the last 20 years swimming competitively, for s long time I trained 2 times a day, racking up 60-70km a week. so from my perspective not doing anything feels totally alien and unnatural.
Halb said:
Hoofy said:
Remind me what the last bit means. I recall him saying something about that.
Upon being asked what his secret was, he said moderation. That's why he has his 1958 treadmill and the other stuff he does, and taking the piss out of gym bunnies. He 'exercises' but it's not balls to the wall. Same with diet. The presenter said then maybe moderation could be done in moderation. So he'll have a burger now and then...take 10 years off, have a few drinks in the week...another ten gone etc and some other stuff, so he'd be quite happy with being 80 years old and as in good shape as the old guy.
). So who knows.
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