Anxiety the return
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Been feeling a little better over the holidays. My two kids have been bouncing off the walls with excitement which has been a bit wearing at times but at least I don't feel on the edge.
The wife and I seem to be getting on a little better. Not that we were getting along badly before but seem closer and been able to have more of a laugh together.
Nice to have a break where you do nothing and are not expected to. Not even thinking about work.
Been looking to change my car and that is creating a bit of a worry. Usual thing though. Worried that I might a dog. In 17 years of driving I have never made a mistake with a car or had one breakdown. But worried that I am chopping in a perfectly good and reliable car for a but of fun that might go wrong!
The wife and I seem to be getting on a little better. Not that we were getting along badly before but seem closer and been able to have more of a laugh together.
Nice to have a break where you do nothing and are not expected to. Not even thinking about work.
Been looking to change my car and that is creating a bit of a worry. Usual thing though. Worried that I might a dog. In 17 years of driving I have never made a mistake with a car or had one breakdown. But worried that I am chopping in a perfectly good and reliable car for a but of fun that might go wrong!
Evolved said:
Sorry I never followed this after my advice..
As the DR's in the UK are next to useless when it comes to TRT, what were the actual numbers from your blood tests? To just say you were 'marginally low' says nothing but it's typical of the NHS!
I was on the cusp of 11nmol and the 'specialist' said I was within range but at the low end, I felt absolutely awful at that number. They seem to treat numbers instead of symptoms in this country, an argument I've had with two supposed specialists now, for record when my body was producing test and I felt good my reference number was 20nmol.
Without numbers it's hard to say what the cause is but the results of a full blood work would help, in the US the blood panel results are shared, not so here so you may have to pester to get them.
I'm still confident if he says you're low, that it's low test that's causing the problem.
So just got 2nd test results back. 10.6 for T. Told all normal no further action. As I read the "normal" range is between 9.6 and 38! I am an active, otherwise healthy 35 year old and to be that close to the not normal range and be fobbed off annoys me a little.As the DR's in the UK are next to useless when it comes to TRT, what were the actual numbers from your blood tests? To just say you were 'marginally low' says nothing but it's typical of the NHS!
I was on the cusp of 11nmol and the 'specialist' said I was within range but at the low end, I felt absolutely awful at that number. They seem to treat numbers instead of symptoms in this country, an argument I've had with two supposed specialists now, for record when my body was producing test and I felt good my reference number was 20nmol.
Without numbers it's hard to say what the cause is but the results of a full blood work would help, in the US the blood panel results are shared, not so here so you may have to pester to get them.
I'm still confident if he says you're low, that it's low test that's causing the problem.
Edited by Evolved on Wednesday 16th December 07:58
I have spoken about this before on here, I have always suffered with ED (getting the little general to stand to attention). This has generally been dismissed as being a psychological issue.
I am going to go and see this one particular GP who is usually very good at listening. I will say that I have two clear symptoms of low T and a result that is a
s hair away from being out of the normal range. There is a long medical history on my record of both the ED and anxiety and two low T results surely means they should consider some kind of therapy?As you say they seem to be all about the numbers in the NHS. But those numbers combined with a long history of symptoms needs dealing with.
944fan said:
So just got 2nd test results back. 10.6 for T. Told all normal no further action. As I read the "normal" range is between 9.6 and 38! I am an active, otherwise healthy 35 year old and to be that close to the not normal range and be fobbed off annoys me a little.
I have spoken about this before on here, I have always suffered with ED (getting the little general to stand to attention). This has generally been dismissed as being a psychological issue.
I am going to go and see this one particular GP who is usually very good at listening. I will say that I have two clear symptoms of low T and a result that is as hair away from being out of the normal range. There is a long medical history on my record of both the ED and anxiety and two low T results surely means they should consider some kind of therapy?
As you say they seem to be all about the numbers in the NHS. But those numbers combined with a long history of symptoms needs dealing with.
FFS, you are too low and I was 100% correct in my assumptions, the NHS are truly fI have spoken about this before on here, I have always suffered with ED (getting the little general to stand to attention). This has generally been dismissed as being a psychological issue.
I am going to go and see this one particular GP who is usually very good at listening. I will say that I have two clear symptoms of low T and a result that is a
s hair away from being out of the normal range. There is a long medical history on my record of both the ED and anxiety and two low T results surely means they should consider some kind of therapy?As you say they seem to be all about the numbers in the NHS. But those numbers combined with a long history of symptoms needs dealing with.
king useless. Ask to be referred to an endocrinologist as they specialise in that area. If you want more info mate just PM me and I'll send you my email addy as you may not get anywhere with the docs, if not I can advise other avenues.Evolved said:
FFS, you are too low and I was 100% correct in my assumptions, the NHS are truly fking useless. Ask to be referred to an endocrinologist as they specialise in that area. If you want more info mate just PM me and I'll send you my email addy as you may not get anywhere with the docs, if not I can advise other avenues.
Seen the Dr this morning. So my first test was 9.6, the second 10.6. Their range is 10-35 so first test was out of the range, second was only just in.king useless. Ask to be referred to an endocrinologist as they specialise in that area. If you want more info mate just PM me and I'll send you my email addy as you may not get anywhere with the docs, if not I can advise other avenues.Got some b
ks about how low T is better as high T can cause heart disease etc. I gave the the full history of everything and said I have tried pretty much every other avenue so this must be worth trying? I got two months supply of testogel. The Dr said they will review the "numbers" in two months. I said I would rather we judge based on how I feel as well as I have tired every avenue (SSRIs, Counselling, Self-help etc).I have also got a mega dose of VitD for a couple of weeks and then a maintenance dose.
The Dr didn't think that the T gel is going to make any difference to either the anxiety or the ED.
Back at work today, felt s
t this morning but think I was more worrying about what the Dr was going to do.Off the pop now, back to exercising, eating well. Hopefully all things combined will start to have some impact.
My office also moves closer to home at the end of the month so no more commuting which I think will help as well with general stress.
Certainly knocking the pop on the head but excercising and eating well will make a difference.
Interested to see how you are in a few weeks.
I returned from 2 weeks skiing in Canada yesterday. I made a point of NOT looking at anything work related whilst away - usually I would check work emails every couple of days. Certainly my wife and daughters apprecaited that I focused on being on holiday.
(Loads of st hit the fan at work whilst I was away, but since I didn't know about it, and none of it was my fault - or that of my team - fk it - I didn't stress about it, and I usually would have! 
)
I've another counselling session with the psychologist later this week. The 2 I've had so far have been good, although it's €95/hour. I'm happy to spend that if it will help me to address issues. My boss is back from holiday tomorrow, so I'll have a chat with her on Weds to tell her what's been happening.
Interested to see how you are in a few weeks.
I returned from 2 weeks skiing in Canada yesterday. I made a point of NOT looking at anything work related whilst away - usually I would check work emails every couple of days. Certainly my wife and daughters apprecaited that I focused on being on holiday.
(Loads of s
t hit the fan at work whilst I was away, but since I didn't know about it, and none of it was my fault - or that of my team - fk it - I didn't stress about it, and I usually would have! )I've another counselling session with the psychologist later this week. The 2 I've had so far have been good, although it's €95/hour. I'm happy to spend that if it will help me to address issues. My boss is back from holiday tomorrow, so I'll have a chat with her on Weds to tell her what's been happening.
Wow, its amazing how one little thing that you are slightly aware of can have such a massive sub-conscious impact.
Part of my anxiety has been about this one project at work. The client is a nuclear powered and is so rude.
Felt st this morning. Came into work and heard that this person has left the client company. Feel so much better, the work still needs doing and there is plenty more but not having to deal with that fk tard any longer has made me feel better.
Part of my anxiety has been about this one project at work. The client is a nuclear powered
and is so rude.Felt s
t this morning. Came into work and heard that this person has left the client company. Feel so much better, the work still needs doing and there is plenty more but not having to deal with that fk tard any longer has made me feel better.944fan said:
Wow, its amazing how one little thing that you are slightly aware of can have such a massive sub-conscious impact.
Part of my anxiety has been about this one project at work. The client is a nuclear powered and is so rude.
Felt st this morning. Came into work and heard that this person has left the client company. Feel so much better, the work still needs doing and there is plenty more but not having to deal with that fk tard any longer has made me feel better.
That adds up as even things that you think don't bother you THAT much, can have a big effect on mood when they're no longer there.Part of my anxiety has been about this one project at work. The client is a nuclear powered
and is so rude.Felt s
t this morning. Came into work and heard that this person has left the client company. Feel so much better, the work still needs doing and there is plenty more but not having to deal with that fk tard any longer has made me feel better.Back in 2000, when i had been living with my then girlfriend for a year in a house we bought together, i was convinced i had cancer and after many checks and reassurances that i was ok, my mind would just not accept it.
During this time we went on holiday and as i went for a swim one day, i started thinking about the relationship and it just come to me that, it was this that was the problem.
It turns out that i had been in total denial about this to myself and once i ended the relationship, any worries about cancer just went. I/my mind had been focusing on something else instead of the real issue!
Nowadays, if i get really bothered about something, i try and think about what else might be going on in my life, that could be the real cause of anxiety/distress.
The mind is weird thing!
Here's a little update from me.
After being on the Sertraline for a month I decided I've had enough of this anxiety st so decided last week to stop taking them. Never really felt that anything was happening other than lots of twinges sore head and insomnia.
Now going to take control of this by myself without meds and counciling I've gone 44 years with no issues and I not going to let it happen now.
My problem started a couple of months ago after struggling after gastric flu. 2 months later I'm still having problems with my stomach but after getting myself worked up about it and convincing myself it was something serious I need to get to the bottom of it.
The doctor has always said that its the aftermath of the bug still in my system and the anxiety was making it worse, I know that could very well be the case but I know my body and something is not right and I need to find for sure what's causing it I can't understand how I can go from being totally fine going to the gym to someone who gets dizzy, spaced out and fatigued going up the stairs.
I've had various blood tests all of which has came back clear so maybe it is all in my head but going to push for further tests when I see the gastroenterologist on Friday.
So I've probably completely done the wrong thing but I need to take my life back on my terms and take control of my health it's been 5 days since my last tablet I I'm feeling much better in my head body's still ropey though!
After being on the Sertraline for a month I decided I've had enough of this anxiety s
t so decided last week to stop taking them. Never really felt that anything was happening other than lots of twinges sore head and insomnia.Now going to take control of this by myself without meds and counciling I've gone 44 years with no issues and I not going to let it happen now.
My problem started a couple of months ago after struggling after gastric flu. 2 months later I'm still having problems with my stomach but after getting myself worked up about it and convincing myself it was something serious I need to get to the bottom of it.
The doctor has always said that its the aftermath of the bug still in my system and the anxiety was making it worse, I know that could very well be the case but I know my body and something is not right and I need to find for sure what's causing it I can't understand how I can go from being totally fine going to the gym to someone who gets dizzy, spaced out and fatigued going up the stairs.
I've had various blood tests all of which has came back clear so maybe it is all in my head but going to push for further tests when I see the gastroenterologist on Friday.
So I've probably completely done the wrong thing but I need to take my life back on my terms and take control of my health it's been 5 days since my last tablet I I'm feeling much better in my head body's still ropey though!
Not sure if anyone knows but I have been on Citalopram for 5 years nearly now, taking 10mg one day the. 20mg the next.
I spoke to my GP 3 months ago about continued use and she wasn't sure what the best option is, come off it or carry on, frankly I don't know either.
I suffer from restless leg at night and this holiday I struggle getting to sleep.
The restless leg is always there but the sleep - could be caused by too much or rather increased alcohol and lack of cycling.
I'm not a big drinker, 5 units a week maximum on a heavy week but over Christmas probably got through 3 units per day.
I spoke to my GP 3 months ago about continued use and she wasn't sure what the best option is, come off it or carry on, frankly I don't know either.
I suffer from restless leg at night and this holiday I struggle getting to sleep.
The restless leg is always there but the sleep - could be caused by too much or rather increased alcohol and lack of cycling.
I'm not a big drinker, 5 units a week maximum on a heavy week but over Christmas probably got through 3 units per day.
944fan said:
Seen the Dr this morning. So my first test was 9.6, the second 10.6. Their range is 10-35 so first test was out of the range, second was only just in.
Got some bks about how low T is better as high T can cause heart disease etc. I gave the the full history of everything and said I have tried pretty much every other avenue so this must be worth trying? I got two months supply of testogel. The Dr said they will review the "numbers" in two months. I said I would rather we judge based on how I feel as well as I have tired every avenue (SSRIs, Counselling, Self-help etc).
I have also got a mega dose of VitD for a couple of weeks and then a maintenance dose.
The Dr didn't think that the T gel is going to make any difference to either the anxiety or the ED.
Back at work today, felt st this morning but think I was more worrying about what the Dr was going to do.
Off the pop now, back to exercising, eating well. Hopefully all things combined will start to have some impact.
My office also moves closer to home at the end of the month so no more commuting which I think will help as well with general stress.
Sorry to hear of your anxiety woes OP. Firstly, drinking to excess and smoking (dont know whether you smoke or not) are very large contributors to anxiety.Got some b
ks about how low T is better as high T can cause heart disease etc. I gave the the full history of everything and said I have tried pretty much every other avenue so this must be worth trying? I got two months supply of testogel. The Dr said they will review the "numbers" in two months. I said I would rather we judge based on how I feel as well as I have tired every avenue (SSRIs, Counselling, Self-help etc).I have also got a mega dose of VitD for a couple of weeks and then a maintenance dose.
The Dr didn't think that the T gel is going to make any difference to either the anxiety or the ED.
Back at work today, felt s
t this morning but think I was more worrying about what the Dr was going to do.Off the pop now, back to exercising, eating well. Hopefully all things combined will start to have some impact.
My office also moves closer to home at the end of the month so no more commuting which I think will help as well with general stress.
Cut alcohol straight out and replace with a daily run of say 20mins and you'll be feeling alot less anxious within no time. As for your low T, your GP is right - high levels can cause issues with heart / prostate etc. Sounds like your anxiety issues may have manifested themselves rather than having specific T issues?
Cut out alcohol, reduce your sugar / caffeine intake. Exercise for at least 20 mins daily and get some Vitamin D and importantly, Vitamin B12 supplements
Two days into my T replacement therapy. No side effects that I can feel at the mo.
Interesting to see how different I feel in a month or so. Seems like from stories on the internet most men either feel nothing or its life changing.
As I mentioned above I did suddenly feel better after hearing that horrible person from our client had left. When I had counselling last year a lot of what we spoke about was how my parents were with me (strict & disappointed) and how this impacts me in later life. The counselor used to refer to this situation of the wounded child, seeking approval and getting disappointment and being told off.
Kind of all ties together with dealing with difficult people, not wanting a bking, want to please and impress everyone.
Not sure how I change that though!
Interesting to see how different I feel in a month or so. Seems like from stories on the internet most men either feel nothing or its life changing.
As I mentioned above I did suddenly feel better after hearing that horrible person from our client had left. When I had counselling last year a lot of what we spoke about was how my parents were with me (strict & disappointed) and how this impacts me in later life. The counselor used to refer to this situation of the wounded child, seeking approval and getting disappointment and being told off.
Kind of all ties together with dealing with difficult people, not wanting a b
king, want to please and impress everyone.Not sure how I change that though!
944fan said:
Two days into my T replacement therapy. No side effects that I can feel at the mo.
Interesting to see how different I feel in a month or so. Seems like from stories on the internet most men either feel nothing or its life changing.
As I mentioned above I did suddenly feel better after hearing that horrible person from our client had left. When I had counselling last year a lot of what we spoke about was how my parents were with me (strict & disappointed) and how this impacts me in later life. The counselor used to refer to this situation of the wounded child, seeking approval and getting disappointment and being told off.
Kind of all ties together with dealing with difficult people, not wanting a bking, want to please and impress everyone.
Not sure how I change that though!
It's a habitual thinking pattern and like most habits, it can be changed quite simply, but unfortunately not quickly or easily. Over time things can and do get better - at least I've found that to be the case personally.Interesting to see how different I feel in a month or so. Seems like from stories on the internet most men either feel nothing or its life changing.
As I mentioned above I did suddenly feel better after hearing that horrible person from our client had left. When I had counselling last year a lot of what we spoke about was how my parents were with me (strict & disappointed) and how this impacts me in later life. The counselor used to refer to this situation of the wounded child, seeking approval and getting disappointment and being told off.
Kind of all ties together with dealing with difficult people, not wanting a b
king, want to please and impress everyone.Not sure how I change that though!
CBT can help as it asks you to examine your thinking patterns, and teaches you how to interrupt your thought spirals, substituting new more helpful thinking for old automatic thinking. Over time, if you keep at it, this builds into new habits of thinking which are more helpful to you.
Mindfulness and mindfulness based therapy can assist because it teaches you to react differently to your thoughts, even when they happen (so different from trying to stop and substitute thoughts); this does rob them of their strength. I got an interesting audiobook this Christmas which talks about dealing with the thoughts which get you at gut level - Getting Unstuck by Pema Chodron. There are free and cheap mindfulness classes/groups in most areas - some religious but many are secular - so it's a fairly easy/low risk technique to try out.
Patch1875 said:
Hope the T treatment works, what are the side effects if any?
So far I haven't had any but the "possible" side effects are quite something:Man boobs
Anger
Blood clots
Prostate cancer (although a lot of research seems to indicated there is no link, thought it was long considered that there was)
Congestive heart failure
High blood pressure
Depression
Anger
Headache
Acne
Most of those are aggravating existing conditions or if you are taking too much.
The common side effect with the gel is a rash or irritation where you apply it, but I haven't had that either.
Does it list septic fingers as another side effect?
I had my first 1:1 with my boss yesterday since November, due to holidays and business travel. Despite me having gone skiing for 2 weeks over the festive period, I'm still out of sorts and my counselling continues. I told my boss about my state of mind, my ongoing counselling, etc., and she demanded I get signed off for 2 weeks to rest, reset my grey matter and not to think about work. So, I'm now signed off for 2 weeks, since my GP wanted to do that for me before Christmas. I'm now ready to restart my long bike rides (although snow's forecast later in the week) and I've just booked to go skiing next weekend in Flaine, so things I love doing and that will hopefully boost my seratonin levels.
I had my first 1:1 with my boss yesterday since November, due to holidays and business travel. Despite me having gone skiing for 2 weeks over the festive period, I'm still out of sorts and my counselling continues. I told my boss about my state of mind, my ongoing counselling, etc., and she demanded I get signed off for 2 weeks to rest, reset my grey matter and not to think about work. So, I'm now signed off for 2 weeks, since my GP wanted to do that for me before Christmas. I'm now ready to restart my long bike rides (although snow's forecast later in the week) and I've just booked to go skiing next weekend in Flaine, so things I love doing and that will hopefully boost my seratonin levels.
That's good news focus on yourself and make sure work is not in your thoughts should hopefully do you the world of good.
I've been off the meds now for 10 days and so glad I ditched them feeling pretty good mentally,head feel clear with no sign of the anxiety trying to take back over.
Had a consultation with a gastroenterologist yesterday which was pretty positive, agrees that something isn't right with my stomach but doesn't reckon it's anything serious. It's good to sit down and go through the symptoms instead of having GPs telling you different things. He thinks it may stem back to the gastric flu I had a couple of months ago it seems that it can take several months to filter through properly but has decided to do some extra tests on my blood and poo to rule out a few things like crohns,celiac and parasite infections.
I've been off the meds now for 10 days and so glad I ditched them feeling pretty good mentally,head feel clear with no sign of the anxiety trying to take back over.
Had a consultation with a gastroenterologist yesterday which was pretty positive, agrees that something isn't right with my stomach but doesn't reckon it's anything serious. It's good to sit down and go through the symptoms instead of having GPs telling you different things. He thinks it may stem back to the gastric flu I had a couple of months ago it seems that it can take several months to filter through properly but has decided to do some extra tests on my blood and poo to rule out a few things like crohns,celiac and parasite infections.
5potTurbo said:
Does it list septic fingers as another side effect?
I had my first 1:1 with my boss yesterday since November, due to holidays and business travel. Despite me having gone skiing for 2 weeks over the festive period, I'm still out of sorts and my counselling continues. I told my boss about my state of mind, my ongoing counselling, etc., and she demanded I get signed off for 2 weeks to rest, reset my grey matter and not to think about work. So, I'm now signed off for 2 weeks, since my GP wanted to do that for me before Christmas. I'm now ready to restart my long bike rides (although snow's forecast later in the week) and I've just booked to go skiing next weekend in Flaine, so things I love doing and that will hopefully boost my seratonin levels.
I had my first 1:1 with my boss yesterday since November, due to holidays and business travel. Despite me having gone skiing for 2 weeks over the festive period, I'm still out of sorts and my counselling continues. I told my boss about my state of mind, my ongoing counselling, etc., and she demanded I get signed off for 2 weeks to rest, reset my grey matter and not to think about work. So, I'm now signed off for 2 weeks, since my GP wanted to do that for me before Christmas. I'm now ready to restart my long bike rides (although snow's forecast later in the week) and I've just booked to go skiing next weekend in Flaine, so things I love doing and that will hopefully boost my seratonin levels.
Finger happened before the T started. Think the antibiotics are causing me agro. Feel very tired today, had a two hour nap this afternoon. Making me feel sick/hungry as well.
Good that you have got some time of with the bosses blessing. Part of them problem I have is that I can never take a day off without being interrupted. So few staff and I only Can do certain things. On my list this year to get other people trained up.
Patch1875 said:
That's good news focus on yourself and make sure work is not in your thoughts should hopefully do you the world of good.
I've been off the meds now for 10 days and so glad I ditched them feeling pretty good mentally,head feel clear with no sign of the anxiety trying to take back over.
Had a consultation with a gastroenterologist yesterday which was pretty positive, agrees that something isn't right with my stomach but doesn't reckon it's anything serious. It's good to sit down and go through the symptoms instead of having GPs telling you different things. He thinks it may stem back to the gastric flu I had a couple of months ago it seems that it can take several months to filter through properly but has decided to do some extra tests on my blood and poo to rule out a few things like crohns,celiac and parasite infections.
PM sent. Anxiety easily manifests itself into stomach issues (so i'm told). I've have countless tests and still suffering from a "gurgling" stomach. Apparently caused bu the stomach over producing stomach acid - due to stress :-(I've been off the meds now for 10 days and so glad I ditched them feeling pretty good mentally,head feel clear with no sign of the anxiety trying to take back over.
Had a consultation with a gastroenterologist yesterday which was pretty positive, agrees that something isn't right with my stomach but doesn't reckon it's anything serious. It's good to sit down and go through the symptoms instead of having GPs telling you different things. He thinks it may stem back to the gastric flu I had a couple of months ago it seems that it can take several months to filter through properly but has decided to do some extra tests on my blood and poo to rule out a few things like crohns,celiac and parasite infections.
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