Middle aged bloke problem...

Middle aged bloke problem...

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13m

26,271 posts

221 months

Tuesday 29th December 2015
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Tiggsy said:
DuncanM said:
13m said:
popeyewhite said:
minghis said:
Will keep going but guess it will take time.
Needn't do, but you'll need to create a radical calorie deficit. That's why dieting is easier with exercise, and it's one of the reasons why exercise is more important for weight loss.
My experience is that it DOES take time, more so above the age of 40. Here are some of the reasons:

1. A significant calorie deficit is difficult to maintain if you've got anything else to do in a day. It's difficult to function well mentally and physically on a significant deficit.

2. Rapid weight loss can make you look haggard - the older you are the more this is true.

3. It takes time to lose some areas of fat, particularly if you've had them for a while. There is no substitute for time when it comes to addressing these areas. Notwithstanding liposuction.

4. A significant calorie deficit is difficult to maintain long-term, so people tend to follow a sine wave of weight loss and gain. Keeping a grip on diet and a smaller deficit over a longer period tends to see people maintain a slow but consistent loss of fat.

5. A significant calorie deficit makes you feel and look unwell.
Very good post, well measured and certainly true in my experience (although not quite 40 yet).
42 and dont buy it

I drop to 10-12% for hols in the summer and plod back up to mid/high teens for winter. !st Jan I'll start again for spring and its as easy as it always was....eat reduce cals, lift (which I do all the time) an dthe fat melts away like I was 19 again.
Assuming your measurements are accurate, you are only putting a relatively small amount of fat on an underlying muscular physique for a very short period of time.

Stop training for five years, get your body fat above 25% and come back to training. You will find it harder.








WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

238 months

Tuesday 29th December 2015
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Tiggsy said:
DuncanM said:
13m said:
popeyewhite said:
minghis said:
Will keep going but guess it will take time.
Needn't do, but you'll need to create a radical calorie deficit. That's why dieting is easier with exercise, and it's one of the reasons why exercise is more important for weight loss.
My experience is that it DOES take time, more so above the age of 40. Here are some of the reasons:

1. A significant calorie deficit is difficult to maintain if you've got anything else to do in a day. It's difficult to function well mentally and physically on a significant deficit.

2. Rapid weight loss can make you look haggard - the older you are the more this is true.

3. It takes time to lose some areas of fat, particularly if you've had them for a while. There is no substitute for time when it comes to addressing these areas. Notwithstanding liposuction.

4. A significant calorie deficit is difficult to maintain long-term, so people tend to follow a sine wave of weight loss and gain. Keeping a grip on diet and a smaller deficit over a longer period tends to see people maintain a slow but consistent loss of fat.

5. A significant calorie deficit makes you feel and look unwell.
Very good post, well measured and certainly true in my experience (although not quite 40 yet).
42 and dont buy it

I drop to 10-12% for hols in the summer and plod back up to mid/high teens for winter. !st Jan I'll start again for spring and its as easy as it always was....eat reduce cals, lift (which I do all the time) an dthe fat melts away like I was 19 again.
I didn't buy it at 42, I do at fifty...

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 29th December 2015
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Wow, I just jumped on the scales and have put on just over a stone in a week, pretty good going I suppose rolleyes

But, I've been living 90% healthy for the last two years, so I was due a little break and to be honest I'm not surprised I've put a bit on.

Back to the grindstone, gym tonight, big MTB bike ride tomorrow morning, gym Thursday and a couple more rides at the weekend.

I'm pretty sure I can get this stone back off as quick as I put it on.

Tiggsy

10,261 posts

251 months

Tuesday 29th December 2015
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13m said:
Tiggsy said:
DuncanM said:
13m said:
popeyewhite said:
minghis said:
Will keep going but guess it will take time.
Needn't do, but you'll need to create a radical calorie deficit. That's why dieting is easier with exercise, and it's one of the reasons why exercise is more important for weight loss.
My experience is that it DOES take time, more so above the age of 40. Here are some of the reasons:

1. A significant calorie deficit is difficult to maintain if you've got anything else to do in a day. It's difficult to function well mentally and physically on a significant deficit.

2. Rapid weight loss can make you look haggard - the older you are the more this is true.

3. It takes time to lose some areas of fat, particularly if you've had them for a while. There is no substitute for time when it comes to addressing these areas. Notwithstanding liposuction.

4. A significant calorie deficit is difficult to maintain long-term, so people tend to follow a sine wave of weight loss and gain. Keeping a grip on diet and a smaller deficit over a longer period tends to see people maintain a slow but consistent loss of fat.

5. A significant calorie deficit makes you feel and look unwell.
Very good post, well measured and certainly true in my experience (although not quite 40 yet).
42 and dont buy it

I drop to 10-12% for hols in the summer and plod back up to mid/high teens for winter. !st Jan I'll start again for spring and its as easy as it always was....eat reduce cals, lift (which I do all the time) an dthe fat melts away like I was 19 again.
Assuming your measurements are accurate, you are only putting a relatively small amount of fat on an underlying muscular physique for a very short period of time.

Stop training for five years, get your body fat above 25% and come back to training. You will find it harder.
Didnt train much from 29-35 and got up to 23 stone...was only harder to shift that in the sense that it took longer, concept was just as simple.

popeyewhite

19,622 posts

119 months

Tuesday 29th December 2015
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CoinSl0t said:
Back to the grindstone, gym tonight, big MTB bike ride tomorrow morning, gym Thursday and a couple more rides at the weekend.

I'm pretty sure I can get this stone back off as quick as I put it on.
Positive mental attitude (see above) plays a huge part in motivating an individual to exercise and losing weight. If you think weightloss is hard...it will be.

AndStilliRise

2,295 posts

115 months

Tuesday 29th December 2015
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Eat less, move more.

Buy a push bike, expensive bike so that it (mentally) hurts when you don't ride it. That will encourage you a little.

MTFU and get it done.

13m

26,271 posts

221 months

Tuesday 29th December 2015
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Tiggsy said:
13m said:
Tiggsy said:
DuncanM said:
13m said:
popeyewhite said:
minghis said:
Will keep going but guess it will take time.
Needn't do, but you'll need to create a radical calorie deficit. That's why dieting is easier with exercise, and it's one of the reasons why exercise is more important for weight loss.
My experience is that it DOES take time, more so above the age of 40. Here are some of the reasons:

1. A significant calorie deficit is difficult to maintain if you've got anything else to do in a day. It's difficult to function well mentally and physically on a significant deficit.

2. Rapid weight loss can make you look haggard - the older you are the more this is true.

3. It takes time to lose some areas of fat, particularly if you've had them for a while. There is no substitute for time when it comes to addressing these areas. Notwithstanding liposuction.

4. A significant calorie deficit is difficult to maintain long-term, so people tend to follow a sine wave of weight loss and gain. Keeping a grip on diet and a smaller deficit over a longer period tends to see people maintain a slow but consistent loss of fat.

5. A significant calorie deficit makes you feel and look unwell.
Very good post, well measured and certainly true in my experience (although not quite 40 yet).
42 and dont buy it

I drop to 10-12% for hols in the summer and plod back up to mid/high teens for winter. !st Jan I'll start again for spring and its as easy as it always was....eat reduce cals, lift (which I do all the time) an dthe fat melts away like I was 19 again.
Assuming your measurements are accurate, you are only putting a relatively small amount of fat on an underlying muscular physique for a very short period of time.

Stop training for five years, get your body fat above 25% and come back to training. You will find it harder.
Didnt train much from 29-35 and got up to 23 stone...was only harder to shift that in the sense that it took longer, concept was just as simple.
23 stone as a measurement is useless on its own, but in the context I presume you mean you had a very high % BF.

At 35 your body's response to fat loss was different from how it is now and how it will be when you are 55. Skin elasticity is one of the problems. At 35 your skin was pretty elastic, at 55 not so much. So, when you were 35 your face probably looked fine throughout your fat loss and afterwards you had no jowls or loose neck skin. Above 50, if you lose significant percentages of body fat, you'll look drawn and tired unless you do it slowly, it will take longer for your face to sharpen up and there's a reasonable probability you'll end up with some skin laxity.

Speaking personally, until I was mid forties I could lose fat fairly easily when I wanted to and it came off FAIRLY consistently all over. Everything tightened up fine. More recently (I'm over 50 now) I find that I can be pretty lean all over but have deposits of fat in areas where once I didn't carry it. These areas do shed the fat but it takes a lot longer than it used to.

An aside - the apparent increased difficulty in losing fat has made me modify my food intake. Once upon a time I used to eat too much at Christmas in the knowledge that I could lose the fat fairly easily afterwards. Such are the additional challenges now, I try not to put on the fat in the first place.






popeyewhite

19,622 posts

119 months

Tuesday 29th December 2015
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13m said:
At 35 your body's response to fat loss was different from how it is now and how it will be when you are 55.
No, it's not. Also, if you're worried about your skin then stay out of the sun and don't get fat in the first place. It's not fat loss that affects it, it's weight gain that stretches it!

I'd like to add that it's especially important to exercise as you get older, as this will not only raise an individual's metabolism and help with weightloss, but also help prevent the muscular atrophy that occurs over 50 and accelerates after 70, and therefore maintain a resting calorie burn (metabolic rate).

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

238 months

Tuesday 29th December 2015
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And collagen loss unfortunately frown

DuncanM

6,109 posts

278 months

Tuesday 29th December 2015
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popeyewhite said:
13m said:
At 35 your body's response to fat loss was different from how it is now and how it will be when you are 55.
No, it's not. Also, if you're worried about your skin then stay out of the sun and don't get fat in the first place. It's not fat loss that affects it, it's weight gain that stretches it!

I'd like to add that it's especially important to exercise as you get older, as this will not only raise an individual's metabolism and help with weightloss, but also help prevent the muscular atrophy that occurs over 50 and accelerates after 70, and therefore maintain a resting calorie burn (metabolic rate).
Are you actually suggesting that skin doesn't lose elasticity as you get older, and that it's only fatness and the sun?

Further up:

Tiggsy,

With the greatest respect, you are implying that living in calorie deficit, and exercising hard is easy, when in reality it isn't for the majority of people.

Especially when juggling it with all the other things in their lives.


popeyewhite

19,622 posts

119 months

Tuesday 29th December 2015
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DuncanM said:
Are you actually suggesting that skin doesn't lose elasticity as you get older, and that it's only fatness and the sun?
No, of course it does. In the context of this thread however it's not dieting that makes you look haggard - it's skin stretching to accommodate fat, and the fatter you are the more likely you'll have stretch marks before you even start to diet.




ExV8

3,642 posts

214 months

Tuesday 29th December 2015
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I am in this space. Eaten everything this Christmas but exercised a lot (long run planned tomorrow, 20k ish depending on how wet I get).

Running a calorie deficit is required to lose weight and even trying to stay stable needs work (if you eat and drink crap).

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

238 months

Tuesday 29th December 2015
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popeyewhite said:
DuncanM said:
Are you actually suggesting that skin doesn't lose elasticity as you get older, and that it's only fatness and the sun?
No, of course it does. In the context of this thread however it's not dieting that makes you look haggard - it's skin stretching to accommodate fat, and the fatter you are the more likely you'll have stretch marks before you even start to diet.
My ballbag is reading this and it's not happy grumpy

My earlobes are also kinda disgruntled, even they're starting to sag. Bugger all to do with fat in my case, I'm just getting older. Carrying a *little* fat makes me look better. For me it's a worthwhile tradeoff...

popeyewhite

19,622 posts

119 months

Tuesday 29th December 2015
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WinstonWolf said:
My ballbag is reading this and it's not happy grumpy
laugh

WinstonWolf said:
My earlobes are also kinda disgruntled, even they're starting to sag. Bugger all to do with fat in my case, I'm just getting older. Carrying a *little* fat makes me look better. For me it's a worthwhile tradeoff...
yes

Some people do look better carrying a little. I know a number of runners/cyclists who'd look a lot healthier with a few % more bodyfat, but it's just as hard to tell them to ease off a bit as it is to motivate overweight people to take up exercise.

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

238 months

Wednesday 30th December 2015
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Yup, I was determined to get my six pack back, I got it but I looked really ill frown

Half a stone makes a big difference for me, it means I get cookies and cake, I don't look like death and my 32 waist trousers still fit. Just. smile

If you drop many stones you'll sag whatever your age.

DuncanM

6,109 posts

278 months

Thursday 31st December 2015
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WinstonWolf said:
Yup, I was determined to get my six pack back, I got it but I looked really ill frown

Half a stone makes a big difference for me, it means I get cookies and cake, I don't look like death and my 32 waist trousers still fit. Just. smile

If you drop many stones you'll sag whatever your age.
Very sensible approach, some really good posts by you on this last page (my ballbag aint best pleased either hehe).



WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

238 months

Thursday 31st December 2015
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beer thank you, the dieting can resume tomorrow biggrin

DuncanM

6,109 posts

278 months

Thursday 31st December 2015
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WinstonWolf said:
beer thank you, the dieting can resume tomorrow biggrin
beer Monday 4th for me, one last weekend on the vino! biggrin

shambolic

2,146 posts

166 months

Saturday 2nd January 2016
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Went back training at 40. Over 2 years ago and lost nearly 4 stone. Put a wee bit back on as had a neck injury and couldn't train or do much for 10 weeks. Didn't put weight on but body shape changed and muscle mass deteriorated.
4 weeks ago started back doing strength and conditioning and back at BJJ, unfortunately on Tues I shattered my TIB and FIB in an innocuous takedown.
Was looking at that last wee step in the start of this year but all that on the back burner now.

Any ideas on things to do while incapacitated and on one leg. Not allowed any weight bearing at all just now.

Before I started back training


Out walking dogs a few months ago.


Tuesday night in temporary cast before titanium rod fitted on Wednesday.

Ps I defo look and feel much much younger in my "thin" photo.

johnwilliams77

8,308 posts

102 months

Saturday 2nd January 2016
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Well done. You have face shape again and no doubt feel better - despite the hick up.