Ketosis - Low carb/high fat diet. Experiences?
Discussion
didelydoo said:
Italians do ok with a diet high in pasta/bread....
I suspect you are geographically confused. The "Mediterranean diet" that is apparently so good for people is eaten by those in the south. It is not high in pasta or bread; more fish and vegetables. Pasta is bigger in the industrial north, they aren't famously healthy.grumbledoak said:
I suspect you are geographically confused. The "Mediterranean diet" that is apparently so good for people is eaten by those in the south. It is not high in pasta or bread; more fish and vegetables. Pasta is bigger in the industrial north, they aren't famously healthy.
Seems bread and pasta feature quite highly in the "Mediterranean diet"http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Goodfood/Pages/what-is-...
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=mediterranean+di...
didelydoo said:
Seems bread and pasta feature quite highly in the "Mediterranean diet"
Those pyramids put whole grains combined on an equal footing with fresh fruits, vegetables, beans, nuts, legumes, and olive oil. That is very different from eating Weetabix for breakfast, a sandwich for lunch, and "Spag Bog" for dinner.FredClogs said:
I'm struggling to know what to eat at breakfast, no toast, no porridge, no muesli etc... There's only so many boiled eggs I want to eat and the time I have in the mornings is limited.
Good god man, when I was on keto breakfast was the highlight meal of the day! Get up 5 minutes earlier and have a proper breakfast - scrambled egg, 3 or 4 rashes of bacon and a bit of spinach or a few mushrooms on the side. Then if I was still hungry after that, a bowl of blueberries swimming in full cream/full fat greek yoghurt. 
mcelliott said:
FredClogs said:
I'm struggling to know what to eat at breakfast, no toast, no porridge, no muesli etc... There's only so many boiled eggs I want to eat and the time I have in the mornings is limited.
Good god man, when I was on keto breakfast was the highlight meal of the day! Get up 5 minutes earlier and have a proper breakfast - scrambled egg, 3 or 4 rashes of bacon and a bit of spinach or a few mushrooms on the side. Then if I was still hungry after that, a bowl of blueberries swimming in full cream/full fat greek yoghurt. FredClogs said:
He was on Joe Rogan a few weeks ago, he certainly makes you believe what he's saying whilst he's saying it, whether or not any of it's true might require more in depth research than I'm happy to do, but you can't argue that the fella is in shape!
Download here.grumbledoak said:
Those pyramids put whole grains combined on an equal footing with fresh fruits, vegetables, beans, nuts, legumes, and olive oil. That is very different from eating Weetabix for breakfast, a sandwich for lunch, and "Spag Bog" for dinner.
All i'd said was Italians do ok with lots of bread and pasta...I'm not bothered, I like sweet treats and bread, along with all the other tasty things keto dieters miss out on. As I'd mentioned, everything in moderation.
twoblacklines said:
I lost 6stone on ketosis in 6 months last year.
I start again on Monday. Not looking forward to the first 3-4 days!
Yeah the first few days suck. Headaches, light headedness and thirst. Still, the novelty of eating mass bacon, eggs and cheese each morning will be fresh and enjoyable I start again on Monday. Not looking forward to the first 3-4 days!
So everyone, to bring the thread up to date.
3 months since i started keto, and it's been an enlightening and enjoyable journey for the most part, and I feel I've learned a lot about content in foods and how to keep track of what I'm eating.
That being said, my current job requirements and life circumstances make me feel that the time has come to go back to a regular diet, effectively based around the "if it fits your macros" idea. I'd prefer to avoid any sort of diet that restricts food groups until i maybe resume keto at some point later this year. Sadly, keto just doesn't give my body the same level of performance as a regular diet, despite being a very effective weight loss tool (something i no longer want).
As i understand it, as long as i eat a balanced amount of each nutritional source and stick at, or just above maintenance, weight gain will be gradual, apart from the initial water retention of course.
My reason for the posting is that I'd like a few opinions on how best to do it. My aim is to gain a bit of weight and then stabilise it at a more reasonable level.
Now just because I'm ending keto doesn't mean I'll be back on the pie and chips each night, that's not the idea at all. I was on a healthy diet prior to keto, and i intend to go back to something similar.
As it stands, the few times I've indulged in carbs by accident I've felt pretty ill and I'd like to lessen this during the transituon. I'd also like to try avoid huge weight gain in a small space of time.
Any suggestions, advice or concerns welcome
Pebbles.
3 months since i started keto, and it's been an enlightening and enjoyable journey for the most part, and I feel I've learned a lot about content in foods and how to keep track of what I'm eating.
That being said, my current job requirements and life circumstances make me feel that the time has come to go back to a regular diet, effectively based around the "if it fits your macros" idea. I'd prefer to avoid any sort of diet that restricts food groups until i maybe resume keto at some point later this year. Sadly, keto just doesn't give my body the same level of performance as a regular diet, despite being a very effective weight loss tool (something i no longer want).
As i understand it, as long as i eat a balanced amount of each nutritional source and stick at, or just above maintenance, weight gain will be gradual, apart from the initial water retention of course.
My reason for the posting is that I'd like a few opinions on how best to do it. My aim is to gain a bit of weight and then stabilise it at a more reasonable level.
Now just because I'm ending keto doesn't mean I'll be back on the pie and chips each night, that's not the idea at all. I was on a healthy diet prior to keto, and i intend to go back to something similar.
As it stands, the few times I've indulged in carbs by accident I've felt pretty ill and I'd like to lessen this during the transituon. I'd also like to try avoid huge weight gain in a small space of time.
Any suggestions, advice or concerns welcome
Pebbles.
Pebbles167 said:
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As it stands, the few times I've indulged in carbs by accident I've felt pretty ill and I'd like to lessen this during the transituon. I'd also like to try avoid huge weight gain in a small space of time.
Any suggestions, advice or concerns welcome
Pebbles.
It's been a while so guess you've already answered for yourself - how'd you get on?As it stands, the few times I've indulged in carbs by accident I've felt pretty ill and I'd like to lessen this during the transituon. I'd also like to try avoid huge weight gain in a small space of time.
Any suggestions, advice or concerns welcome
Pebbles.
For my money, it depends on the quality of the carbs you re-introduce. It's important to avoid starchy/processed/refined carbohydrates.
If you really feel the need, increase your vegetables and salad rather than a bag of chips, roast taters, rice or bread.
I wouldn't allow myself to casually eat off plan, so i decided to dive right in. Basically it ended up with me going on a huge late night binge and eating every carb in sight for the next day. Easily 8000kcal and 500g carbs down the hatch. I ate on plan for the following week, and caved to the cravings and did the same the following weekend.
Certainly not perfect, but it's helped me get rid of my obsession with food and mealtimes somewhat, which is good. It's not cured my binge eating episodes, but i can work on that.
I'm now eating relatively normally, i just generally try to avoid grains and sugar where possible. Weight loss isn't my goal after all, just a relatively healthy diet. As you've suggested, the carbs i take on are generally from vegetables, nuts and a bit of fruit.
Certainly not perfect, but it's helped me get rid of my obsession with food and mealtimes somewhat, which is good. It's not cured my binge eating episodes, but i can work on that.
I'm now eating relatively normally, i just generally try to avoid grains and sugar where possible. Weight loss isn't my goal after all, just a relatively healthy diet. As you've suggested, the carbs i take on are generally from vegetables, nuts and a bit of fruit.
Edited by Pebbles167 on Sunday 24th April 04:48
Don't see why you'd bother tbh, unless it helps your mood and energy levels. I did it last year and felt awful the whole time.
You are much better off just eating in a calorie deficit. Carbs(inc sugar), fats or protein don't make you gain fat ... excess calories do.
I know I could eat 8 mars bars a day and lose weight because the food source is irrelevant when it comes to weight loss, health on the other hand is completely different.
You are much better off just eating in a calorie deficit. Carbs(inc sugar), fats or protein don't make you gain fat ... excess calories do.
I know I could eat 8 mars bars a day and lose weight because the food source is irrelevant when it comes to weight loss, health on the other hand is completely different.
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