Why am I putting on weight - Help

[MacGee]

https://www.yahoo.com/health/5-ways-diet-soda-make...

triggers insulin to make your body go into fat storage mode..

[johnwilliams77]

MacGee said:

https://www.yahoo.com/health/5-ways-diet-soda-make...

triggers insulin to make your body go into fat storage mode..

must be true then

[popeyewhite]

MacGee said:

https://www.yahoo.com/health/5-ways-diet-soda-make...

triggers insulin to make your body go into fat storage mode..

All foods trigger insulin release. It is entirely normal. Cell fat storage after an insulin spike only occurs while food is being digested. Soda doesn't make you gain weight per se: eating/drinking most stuff day-long will have the same effect.

[MacGee]

the stories/facts state that fake sweetener causes bigger spike than standard sugar...thus diet drinks worse.

[otolith]

In general, I would avoid taking dietary advice from any article which begins "n things you...". The woman quoted in that Yahoo article appears to make a living out of writing them;

13 Beverages You Should Never Drink
8 Water Trends that Need to Die
47 Food Hacks to Help You Eat Healthier
16 Healthy Trends You’ll Be Done With in 2016
7 Foods That Aren’t Worth The Calories
16 Nutritionist-Approved Packaged Snacks
7 Filling Snacks Under 100 Calories
5 Ways Chocolate Can Help You Lose Weight
7 More Healthy Foods You’re Overeating
9 Signs You Should Be Eating More Carbs
17 Ingredients That Nutritionists Say to Avoid Cooking With
16 Delicious Ways to Make Your Own Chips
10 Ways to Get Fat Fast
25 Surprising Benefits of Weight Loss
30 Foods That Uncover Your Abs for Under – $1
4 Signs You Need More Protein
6 Amazing Body Changes When You Give Up Carbs
13 Reasons to Pass on Plastic
7 Things A Nutritionist Wants You to Know
5 Things You Need to Know Before and After Surgery
11 Ways Beauty Bloggers Use Lavender in Their Beauty Routines
7 Things That Happen Once You Give Up Soda
Top 10 Reasons You Can’t Lose Weight

Also, she talks about "detox", so she's clearly a charlatan.

[The Mad Monk]

johnwilliams77 said:

Correct
Also, muscle is more despise than fat. So, by volume, it seems to weigh more.(a lb of muscle occupies less space than a lb of fat)

What, you mean that more people dislike muscle than fat?

[Hoofy]

otolith said:

In general, I would avoid taking dietary advice from any article which begins "n things you...". The woman quoted in that Yahoo article appears to make a living out of writing them;

13 Beverages You Should Never Drink
8 Water Trends that Need to Die
47 Food Hacks to Help You Eat Healthier
16 Healthy Trends You’ll Be Done With in 2016
7 Foods That Aren’t Worth The Calories
16 Nutritionist-Approved Packaged Snacks
7 Filling Snacks Under 100 Calories
5 Ways Chocolate Can Help You Lose Weight
7 More Healthy Foods You’re Overeating
9 Signs You Should Be Eating More Carbs
17 Ingredients That Nutritionists Say to Avoid Cooking With
16 Delicious Ways to Make Your Own Chips
10 Ways to Get Fat Fast
25 Surprising Benefits of Weight Loss
30 Foods That Uncover Your Abs for Under – $1
4 Signs You Need More Protein
6 Amazing Body Changes When You Give Up Carbs
13 Reasons to Pass on Plastic
7 Things A Nutritionist Wants You to Know
5 Things You Need to Know Before and After Surgery
11 Ways Beauty Bloggers Use Lavender in Their Beauty Routines
7 Things That Happen Once You Give Up Soda
Top 10 Reasons You Can’t Lose Weight

Also, she talks about "detox", so she's clearly a charlatan.

That's the st that sells (well, encourages people to visit sites which results in ad views) these days. People don't want to read white papers.

[MacGee]

BMJ. Just because it isnt a white paper doesnt mean its crap. Diet drinks are ste!

http://www.bmj.com/content/351/bmj.h3576

[Hoofy]

MacGee said:

BMJ. Just because it isnt a white paper doesnt mean its crap. Diet drinks are ste!

http://www.bmj.com/content/351/bmj.h3576

That's pretty much a white paper and not what people want to read.

Maybe I can offer to rewrite that for them in a user-friendly fashion.
8 reasons why diet drinks are ste!

[otolith]

MacGee said:

BMJ. Just because it isnt a white paper doesnt mean its crap. Diet drinks are ste!

http://www.bmj.com/content/351/bmj.h3576

Umm. Did you actually read that paper?

[popeyewhite]

otolith said:

Umm. Did you actually read that paper?

I don't think he did!

[MacGee]

I read the intro and conclusion. Most salient bits. That's the way to read medical papers quickly.
Conclusions Habitual consumption of sugar sweetened beverages was associated with a greater incidence of type 2 diabetes, independently of adiposity. Although artificially sweetened beverages and fruit juice also showd positive associations with incidence of type 2 diabetes, the findings were likely to involve bias. None the less, both artificially sweetened beverages and fruit juice were unlikely to be healthy alternatives to sugar sweetened beverages for the prevention of type 2 diabetes. Under assumption of causality, consumption of sugar sweetened beverages over years may be related to a substantial number of cases of new onset diabetes.

Diet drinks unlikely to be a healthy alternative! So can you understand this or must I use words of 2 syllables or less.

Edited by MacGee on Wednesday 10th February 08:55

[LordGrover]

If you have an hour to spare and can put up with a degree of woo and fluff, this podcast includes some interesting theories about how added flavourings, be they 'natural' or otherwise, affect what and how much we eat: Hyperpalatability of Food.

[otolith]

MacGee said:

I read the intro and conclusion. Most salient bits. That's the way to read medical papers quickly.
Conclusions Habitual consumption of sugar sweetened beverages was associated with a greater incidence of type 2 diabetes, independently of adiposity. Although artificially sweetened beverages and fruit juice also showd positive associations with incidence of type 2 diabetes, the findings were likely to involve bias. None the less, both artificially sweetened beverages and fruit juice were unlikely to be healthy alternatives to sugar sweetened beverages for the prevention of type 2 diabetes. Under assumption of causality, consumption of sugar sweetened beverages over years may be related to a substantial number of cases of new onset diabetes.

Diet drinks unlikely to be a healthy alternative! So can you understand this or must I use words of 2 syllables or less.

It found good evidence that sugar sweetened soda is associated with increased incidence of diabetes. It did not find good evidence that artificially sweetened soda is associated with increased incidence of diabetes. Despite having objectively determined that the evidence against artificially sweetened soda was of poor quality, the authors speculated that it was unlikely to be a healthy alternative.

[MacGee]

"Although artificially sweetened beverages and fruit juice also showd positive associations with incidence of type 2 diabetes, the findings were likely to involve bias."  "to be a healthier alternative"...exactly...ergo...not a healthy substitute. which is what it purports to be!

Edited by MacGee on Wednesday 10th February 10:55

[chris watton]

Did anyone else watch ITV's Sugar Free Farm, which ran for the past three Tuesdays?

I found it interesting that, by the end of the sugar-free diet, most found that foods they loved with a lot of sugar now tasted way too sweet. I too found this, I now find many foods I once loved unbearably sweet and sickly.

[popeyewhite]

You said:

MacGee said:

the stories/facts state that fake sweetener causes bigger spike than standard sugar...thus diet drinks worse.

Do you have any research to back this up? You have simply supplied as reference that states diet soda may be as bad as the real thing..but not that

MacGee said:

..diet drinks are worse.

The point is that your initial premise is incorrect - that diet drinks cause a bigger insulin spike - so your conclusion is completely wrong.

If you were to find some other way to prove your point... .

[Hoofy]

chris watton said:

Did anyone else watch ITV's Sugar Free Farm, which ran for the past three Tuesdays?

I found it interesting that, by the end of the sugar-free diet, most found that foods they loved with a lot of sugar now tasted way too sweet. I too found this, I now find many foods I once loved unbearably sweet and sickly.

Isn't it... you know... obvious?

[MacGee]

quick search found this. Not a white paper but - it's a well respected medical site.
http://www.webmd.com/diet/20140917/artificial-swee...

this one states diet chemicals will increase fasting blood sugar levels above non dieting and reduce pancreatic function to produce insulin which is pre diabetic.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/11062...

Edited by MacGee on Wednesday 10th February 12:16

Edited by MacGee on Wednesday 10th February 12:17

[popeyewhite]

MacGee said:

quick search found this. Not a white paper but - it's a well respected medical site.
http://www.webmd.com/diet/20140917/artificial-swee...

That's a 'maybe/possibly/could' - for an entirely different reason..

You claimed:

MacGee said:

thus diet drinks are worse

Because

MacGee said:

fake sweetener causes bigger spike than standard sugar

But actually there is no peer-reviewed published research that backs your statement up, is there?