Morphine

[Silent1]

drivin_me_nuts said:

Thanks for the reply. I am very glad indeed that idol curiosity and a few nights of grief never got the better of me. I feel quite scared reading all that now! Bloody hell.

To be fair fentanyl is probably the most dangerous prescribed opioid when abused due to how strong it is and because the high it gives is quite distinct to a heroin high meaning heroin addicts who are taking it think they've not taken enough and end up overdosing.
But when it's used as prescribed it has the power to turn around people's lives, I went from being unable to work or really function at all to going back to farming almost without issues, it takes finding a GP who doesn't think opioids are evil though and sadly lots of people suffer from not enough painkillers meaning they can end up with a pseudo-addiction whereby they keep going back to the GP for more because they've used them too quickly.

Overall though I'm glad you didn't experiment when you were feeling low, I've followed your struggles on here for years and I'm glad you're in a happier place now after the immense strength I saw you give.

[drivin_me_nuts]

Silent1 said:

To be fair fentanyl is probably the most dangerous prescribed opioid when abused due to how strong it is and because the high it gives is quite distinct to a heroin high meaning heroin addicts who are taking it think they've not taken enough and end up overdosing.
But when it's used as prescribed it has the power to turn around people's lives, I went from being unable to work or really function at all to going back to farming almost without issues, it takes finding a GP who doesn't think opioids are evil though and sadly lots of people suffer from not enough painkillers meaning they can end up with a pseudo-addiction whereby they keep going back to the GP for more because they've used them too quickly.

Overall though I'm glad you didn't experiment when you were feeling low, I've followed your struggles on here for years and I'm glad you're in a happier place now after the immense strength I saw you give.

... it didn't feel like it at the time. It was a relentless place. Last weeks heart attack has somewhat changed the perspective on what living means. I've a lot more to do Thanks

[burritoNinja]

Silent1 said:

Have you had your testosterone tested? Of all the males I know taking oxycodone, fentanyl or other opioids in a high dose consistently at least 80% of them when tested had extremely low testosterone, anecdotally a seemingly high proportion also have depression but I don't know if that's the opioids or the long term pain.
Overall opioids are not good taken long term (I say this coming from being on fentanyl for nearly a decade), short term they're fine apart from the potential for addiction, long term they can and do have dramatic side effects.
Although ironically I think that people taking opioids for pain long term suffer more problems than recreational users because they are always maintaining a therapeutic dose rather than a recreational dose and then not taking another until they're down to the point withdrawals are imminent, for example oxycodone as a painkiller is only good for 6 hours but for withdrawals it's good for 24 hours.

I never knew about low test from Fentanyl. I have been on it for years now. My sex drive is not affected and I can still give a full gun salute. I had to go to pain clinic at local hospital to get prescribed my Fentanyl and other drugs such as the nerve medication. I did research the Fentanyl. Barely even touches the pain.

[Silent1]

burritoNinja said:

I never knew about low test from Fentanyl. I have been on it for years now. My sex drive is not affected and I can still give a full gun salute. I had to go to pain clinic at local hospital to get prescribed my Fentanyl and other drugs such as the nerve medication. I did research the Fentanyl. Barely even touches the pain.

If you don't mind me asking, what pain are you on it for, how much are you taking and what if any breakthrough medication do you have? It took me a while to get onto enough for it to work whereas someone else I met at the pain clinic his GP wouldn't let him have anything higher than 12.5mcg patches.

Eta. I haven't suffered low test but from speaking to people who have they didn't lose their libido or ability to function they just became infertile, they only found out through routine testing, the only thing consistent was that they all said they were having to eat less to maintain their weight on the same amount of exercise which they had put down to aging when it was actually because of low test.
I suspect the reason there's no obvious symptoms is because the reduction in testosterone is so slow and over such a long time that you just adjust to it.

Edited by Silent1 on Friday 10th June 11:45

[so called]

Roscco said:

Silent1 said:

Roscco said:

so called said:

Our local hospital loves the stuff.
They put my daughter on it for 9 months to "manage the pain" with her gallstones.
Then same again with her dislocated shoulder.
Not good for the body.

What are you talking about "Not good for the body" ?

Around 90% of it is excreted within 24hrs and it doesn't kill brain cells, damage liver or kidneys.... please enlighten me.

Edit to add the link I forgot

http://www.news-medical.net/health/Morphine-Pharma...

Long term use causes low testosterone in males which can lead to impotence for a start, if you're on any opioid long term surely your doctor has told you about all the potential side effects?

Having been 'heavily' involved with opiates/opioids for 13+ years I can honestly say that yes I've heard this mentioned, but no its never been a problem I've either experienced nor known anybody else to be affected by.

But again sudden death syndrome has been mentioned..... Never heard anyone taken by that either :/

OK, keep your knickers on. Did your daddy invent the stuff or something or is it recreational for you?

I repeated what was said to me by a Doctor. He didn't expand.
Apart from that I am fully aware of the effect it had on my daughter over the long period of prescription.

[burritoNinja]

Silent1 said:

If you don't mind me asking, what pain are you on it for, how much are you taking and what if any breakthrough medication do you have? It took me a while to get onto enough for it to work whereas someone else I met at the pain clinic his GP wouldn't let him have anything higher than 12.5mcg patches.

Eta. I haven't suffered low test but from speaking to people who have they didn't lose their libido or ability to function they just became infertile, they only found out through routine testing, the only thing consistent was that they all said they were having to eat less to maintain their weight on the same amount of exercise which they had put down to aging when it was actually because of low test.
I suspect the reason there's no obvious symptoms is because the reduction in testosterone is so slow and over such a long time that you just adjust to it.

Edited by Silent1 on Friday 10th June 11:45

I have spinal issues.
I was originally put on 25mcg by the pain clinic but found my studies/work had suffered from that dose.Went back to doctors for a lower dose which was 12.5mcg. Been on this dose for 2 years now but on Fentanyl for 5 years total so far. Now being put back on to 25mcg as my condition has gotten worse.
For breakthrough pain I am on Solpadol 30/500. I also take Lyrica for my nerve damage. Lyrica is terrible for memory loss but I do benefit from it.

[andymc]

Silent1 said:

drivin_me_nuts said:

Thanks for the reply. I am very glad indeed that idol curiosity and a few nights of grief never got the better of me. I feel quite scared reading all that now! Bloody hell.

To be fair fentanyl is probably the most dangerous prescribed opioid when abused due to how strong it is and because the high it gives is quite distinct to a heroin high meaning heroin addicts who are taking it think they've not taken enough and end up overdosing.
But when it's used as prescribed it has the power to turn around people's lives, I went from being unable to work or really function at all to going back to farming almost without issues, it takes finding a GP who doesn't think opioids are evil though and sadly lots of people suffer from not enough painkillers meaning they can end up with a pseudo-addiction whereby they keep going back to the GP for more because they've used them too quickly.

Overall though I'm glad you didn't experiment when you were feeling low, I've followed your struggles on here for years and I'm glad you're in a happier place now after the immense strength I saw you give.

good book here

http://painkiller-addict.com/

[Silent1]

andymc said:

good book here

http://painkiller-addict.com/

the biggest mistake with her was giving her actiq lollys because they're really not suitable for anything but breakthrough pain, i can see how anyone prescribed just those would end up over-dosing and becoming addicted.