Rehab for alcohol
Discussion
jonah35 said:
Precisely why does he need rehab? He may just be sick of his wife and he is still working and drinking a fair bit?
What, exactly, are the reasons?
Has he been aggressive? Is he constantly drunk and drink driving? Is he being arrested for drunken things?
Have you read the post you quoted?What, exactly, are the reasons?
Has he been aggressive? Is he constantly drunk and drink driving? Is he being arrested for drunken things?
desolate said:
jonah35 said:
Precisely why does he need rehab? He may just be sick of his wife and he is still working and drinking a fair bit?
What, exactly, are the reasons?
Has he been aggressive? Is he constantly drunk and drink driving? Is he being arrested for drunken things?
Have you read the post you quoted?What, exactly, are the reasons?
Has he been aggressive? Is he constantly drunk and drink driving? Is he being arrested for drunken things?
mph1977 said:
desolate said:
jonah35 said:
Precisely why does he need rehab? He may just be sick of his wife and he is still working and drinking a fair bit?
What, exactly, are the reasons?
Has he been aggressive? Is he constantly drunk and drink driving? Is he being arrested for drunken things?
Have you read the post you quoted?What, exactly, are the reasons?
Has he been aggressive? Is he constantly drunk and drink driving? Is he being arrested for drunken things?
mental health units don't entertain pure detox of any nature as it's a non-commissioned and non-funded service for them. the mental health act specifically excludes "drunkenness alone" in it's single definition of mental illness/disorder. detox as part of or alongside other treatment programmes yes, but not as a stand alone intervention.
the commissioning groups buy addiction treatment services on behalf of their population from other, "partnership", agencies. doesn't mean that the ccg couldn't contract with a mental health trust for the service, they just usually choose not to.
we provide 2 in-patient detox beds in one of our in-patient mental health facilities which are funded through, and entirely controlled by, the locality addiction treatment services.
paul
the commissioning groups buy addiction treatment services on behalf of their population from other, "partnership", agencies. doesn't mean that the ccg couldn't contract with a mental health trust for the service, they just usually choose not to.
we provide 2 in-patient detox beds in one of our in-patient mental health facilities which are funded through, and entirely controlled by, the locality addiction treatment services.
paul
Edited by paulmakin on Sunday 17th July 18:55
Edited by paulmakin on Sunday 17th July 21:45
Tiggsy said:
The amount "friends" I heard say "its only a few drinks - is it really that bad? Not like she's an alchy" ....... who must have been really puzzled when the person they thought was "just someone who likes a couple" lost everything.
nmy point exactly , there are very very few truely 'functioning' alcoholics many who appear to be functioning are in fact supported / enabled by family and friends and it doesn't take much for them to decompensate ... 'street drunks' are just a small part of the population of of people whose alcohol use is causing them damage , illness and disease.
mph1977 said:
Tiggsy said:
The amount "friends" I heard say "its only a few drinks - is it really that bad? Not like she's an alchy" ....... who must have been really puzzled when the person they thought was "just someone who likes a couple" lost everything.
nmy point exactly , there are very very few truely 'functioning' alcoholics many who appear to be functioning are in fact supported / enabled by family and friends and it doesn't take much for them to decompensate ... 'street drunks' are just a small part of the population of of people whose alcohol use is causing them damage , illness and disease.
And at least the tramps have little to lose !
jonah35 said:
Precisely why does he need rehab? He may just be sick of his wife and he is still working and drinking a fair bit?
What, exactly, are the reasons?
Has he been aggressive? Is he constantly drunk and drink driving? Is he being arrested for drunken things?
Sorry had a busy weekend. Drink driving I can't say, I'd hope not, aggressive no he is placid, never been arrested.What, exactly, are the reasons?
Has he been aggressive? Is he constantly drunk and drink driving? Is he being arrested for drunken things?
But I think 8+ cans of Stella and minimum litre bottle of vodka a night, should warrant it.
But I think I have made some progress with him, living away from his kids is hitting him now and ignoring the part of this where he is going on a stag I got this message the other day.
"
Was thinking!
I would like to take you up on your offer on the aa front but as im off to bugjam for owens stag do next weekend maybe the week after would be a better time to sort thing out.
Then got till october till thar is a good valid reson to drink (or not)."
Not sure what the end means, and he is massively dyslexic
jonah35 said:
Precisely why does he need rehab? He may just be sick of his wife and he is still working and drinking a fair bit?
What, exactly, are the reasons?
Has he been aggressive? Is he constantly drunk and drink driving? Is he being arrested for drunken things?
There is no actual, complete, consise number that you need to arrive at in order to confirm alcoholism, so there's no point trying to make other people justify it so that you can either agree or disagree and only then, be content you've got the answer to your questions. What, exactly, are the reasons?
Has he been aggressive? Is he constantly drunk and drink driving? Is he being arrested for drunken things?
The questions you're asking arent that relevant in context to the problem, you've focussed on measurement and fine detail but arent seeing the wider issue.
OP - you can only push him so far, be aware he'll push back and lie to you. What you've got to have in mind at some point is, if he doesnt want to do this and you do, you'll set him up for something he's probably going to fail at. If you take it out on him for failing, you're going to come out worse than he will because you'll be lied to and feel cheated that someone's not done something they said they would.
Your mate will likely break a lot of promises and it may be more a case of managing situations, there's probably not going to be a 'I'm fixed' moment
Two of my brothers were alcoholics. Neither has touched drink for a very long time now. One is a doctor and one a lawyer. Both were horrible, dishonest, violent people when they drank. Both are now successful and happily married. It took residential rehab for the doctor (a perk of being a junior doctor - they consultants liked the sober version and pushed to get him the right treatment once he admitted his problem. The lawyer was more difficult. He ended up falling off a ladder when drunk and smashing his ankle. After a couple of years he had an amputation. That could have broken him, but realising that he needed it was what made him seek help.
pits said:
I just hope that he has some form of commitment to this,.
Or else? Be careful you dont end up in frustration and blame him for things that you have no control over.
If you said, for example, 'I can only be happy if my mate paints himself yellow' then you're giving control of your happiness to a mate who probably wont even consider painting himself yellow. The follow on from that is you get pissed that he hasnt painted himself yet, blame him, call him lazy and useless. He just looks at you and says 'why would I want to be painted yellow?'
andy-xr said:
pits said:
I just hope that he has some form of commitment to this,.
Or else? Be careful you dont end up in frustration and blame him for things that you have no control over.
If you said, for example, 'I can only be happy if my mate paints himself yellow' then you're giving control of your happiness to a mate who probably wont even consider painting himself yellow. The follow on from that is you get pissed that he hasnt painted himself yet, blame him, call him lazy and useless. He just looks at you and says 'why would I want to be painted yellow?'
grumbledoak said:
DukeDickson said:
Surely that depends on what is 's
tloads'?
1-2 bottles of spirits a day, more than likely, equivalent of 8-10 pints a day to little or nothing probably won't kill someone. Might be uncomfortable, but would it really be deadly?
Your maths is way out. A bottle of vodka is 30 units is 10-15 pints. And yes, dropping to zero from that could well kill him.tloads'?1-2 bottles of spirits a day, more than likely, equivalent of 8-10 pints a day to little or nothing probably won't kill someone. Might be uncomfortable, but would it really be deadly?
The main thing here is working out why, which as least as often as not is about something else, rather than the physical aspects.
mph1977 said:
you require permission
also you are talking utter utter rubbish in what you posted from your website
you are a Charlatan and a Quack
Fair enough about the requiring permission, that is the reason why I never posted any links or contact details.also you are talking utter utter rubbish in what you posted from your website
you are a Charlatan and a Quack
As for the second part.
You are more than entitled to your opinion, and I won't try to change that.
However 100's of verified testimonials do discount that. As does the first hand experience of seeing family members in similar situations go through the treatment and kick the addiction.
airsafari87 said:
mph1977 said:
you require permission
also you are talking utter utter rubbish in what you posted from your website
you are a Charlatan and a Quack
Fair enough about the requiring permission, that is the reason why I never posted any links or contact details.also you are talking utter utter rubbish in what you posted from your website
you are a Charlatan and a Quack
As for the second part.
You are more than entitled to your opinion, and I won't try to change that.
However 100's of verified testimonials do discount that. As does the first hand experience of seeing family members in similar situations go through the treatment and kick the addiction.
the plural of anecdote is anecdotes NOT Data
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