68 year old armed bobbies?
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Can't imagine them being able to do that job in their 60's. Poor buggers.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37169994
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37169994
The point might be that they are subject to fitness test so those who aren't fit enough will be shed, losing considerable pension income.
I led a fairly sheltered police service, despite being operation for over half my 30 years. Yet I have a list of injuries that would stop me performing the role.
I'm deaf in one ear and partially so in the other. I was in a firearms unit and my right ear, in line with any gun I'd fire, is no use, apart from glasses.
I have three vertebrae that are broken in my terminology by fractured in that of doctors. I have an arthritic jaw, brought on by being punched in the jaw twice sufficiently hard enough to break it. I have no knees to speak of.
In the 'old days' people like me would be given internal roles, to allow them to continue; CID clerks, communications, warrant officers, that sort of thing. But these have been largely civilianised for money saving reasons. When it was discovered that this meant an increase in early pensions, Blunkett decided to ensure that few officers would be able to claim the 'early slide' through injuries incurred on duty.
Recently, with the swingeing cuts to police budgets hitting money saving initiatives, such as civilianisation and those woking in offices have to be operational officers.
I led a fairly sheltered police service, despite being operation for over half my 30 years. Yet I have a list of injuries that would stop me performing the role.
I'm deaf in one ear and partially so in the other. I was in a firearms unit and my right ear, in line with any gun I'd fire, is no use, apart from glasses.
I have three vertebrae that are broken in my terminology by fractured in that of doctors. I have an arthritic jaw, brought on by being punched in the jaw twice sufficiently hard enough to break it. I have no knees to speak of.
In the 'old days' people like me would be given internal roles, to allow them to continue; CID clerks, communications, warrant officers, that sort of thing. But these have been largely civilianised for money saving reasons. When it was discovered that this meant an increase in early pensions, Blunkett decided to ensure that few officers would be able to claim the 'early slide' through injuries incurred on duty.
Recently, with the swingeing cuts to police budgets hitting money saving initiatives, such as civilianisation and those woking in offices have to be operational officers.
egor110 said:
GetCarter said:
egor110 said:
Why do you have no knees?
Just wait a while, you'll understand.GetCarter said:
If you (hopefully) live long enough >>> http://www.paorthocenter.com/makes-peoples-knees-w...
I agree that lifestyle has a big part to play in health I do not agree with the generic statement about Muscle wastage, you can always strengthen muscle and bone by exercise its quite heartening to see this which contradicts that by the time your 60 your ready for the knackers yard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_record...Edited to say given the nature of some jobs its more than reasonable for a bobbie to retire at 60
Toaster said:
GetCarter said:
If you (hopefully) live long enough >>> http://www.paorthocenter.com/makes-peoples-knees-w...
I agree that lifestyle has a big part to play in health I do not agree with the generic statement about Muscle wastage, you can always strengthen muscle and bone by exercise its quite heartening to see this which contradicts that by the time your 60 your ready for the knackers yard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_record...GetCarter said:
Toaster said:
GetCarter said:
If you (hopefully) live long enough >>> http://www.paorthocenter.com/makes-peoples-knees-w...
I agree that lifestyle has a big part to play in health I do not agree with the generic statement about Muscle wastage, you can always strengthen muscle and bone by exercise its quite heartening to see this which contradicts that by the time your 60 your ready for the knackers yard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_record...The o/p was reeling off a load of things wrong with him i presume as he'had a career in the police, my point was surely a 50-60 year old postie would of walked far more miles than a policeman?
egor110 said:
GetCarter said:
Toaster said:
GetCarter said:
If you (hopefully) live long enough >>> http://www.paorthocenter.com/makes-peoples-knees-w...
I agree that lifestyle has a big part to play in health I do not agree with the generic statement about Muscle wastage, you can always strengthen muscle and bone by exercise its quite heartening to see this which contradicts that by the time your 60 your ready for the knackers yard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_record...The o/p was reeling off a load of things wrong with him i presume as he'had a career in the police, my point was surely a 50-60 year old postie would of walked far more miles than a policeman?
Doesn't matter how many miles you've walked.
People die of lung cancer without smoking a tab. People get Osteoporosis without being a poistie.
Lots of people get bad knees as they get older for different reasons. The clue is in older. Let it go!
egor110 said:
I work with a ex nuclear police who jacked it in because it was mind numbingly boring and the other end of the country.
Yes, exceeding boring, but loaded with a lot of heavy equipment and toys. The job now is anti-terrorist, semi army really. Routine police stuff is dealy with by the civil police (at least at Sellafield).
ked after my 35 years of proper policing when I'm 60. anonymous said:
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Such as? All the light roles were taken over by civvies and then many were sacked to cope with the swingeing cuts. The home secretary, our wonderful pm now, said that there were more police officers on response. But these response officers were those doing the inside roles. If a police officer is not fit enough to perform response, he or she is supernumerary. There are no inside jobs nowadays as they are all response roles. Don't ask me to explain it in any more detail as it is bewildering stupid.
Many of us myself included have done jobs that we know will have a bad affect on us in future years, we have to get on with it or get out and getting out is not easy
A working life of a nature that often requires physical effort of one sort or another is not a good life, it amazes me how the idiots in power make out that we have it good
A working life of a nature that often requires physical effort of one sort or another is not a good life, it amazes me how the idiots in power make out that we have it good
Penelope Stopit said:
Many of us myself included have done jobs that we know will have a bad affect on us in future years, we have to get on with it or get out and getting out is not easy
A working life of a nature that often requires physical effort of one sort or another is not a good life, it amazes me how the idiots in power make out that we have it good
Well said, the reason for the pensions and benefits for Police armed forces etc is because earlier generations understood thatA working life of a nature that often requires physical effort of one sort or another is not a good life, it amazes me how the idiots in power make out that we have it good
egor110 said:
Why do you have no knees?
My specific problem is that over the years I've carried lots of equipment - much, much more now - and had to walk, and on occasion run, with all that weight. I've run up and down hills with long shields in full uniform and, for reasons that are clear in my book, carrying a large first aid kit.I thought my knee problems were down to cycling, I've cycled since 9 or so, as I was doing 200+ miles a week when the problem first surfaced. But X-rays later I was told that I was 'typical' of carrying heavy loads, walking a lot. I was advised to take up cycling! Nice to know they read the notes. When I told him what I did he just nodded.
Further, for some reason people kick me a lot. I've been kicked in the legs and knees. I might have to have a skin graft if I injure my shin and it might not heal. A PC I used to work with was very proud of his skin graft as the hairs ran at a slightly, but noticeable when they are pointed out, at a different angle to the natural.
It seems to me though that the Job puts officers into situations where they will suffer injuries and then they text abilities and sack if you don't make it.
I knew I'd probably be injured while I was in the Job, and in this, for once, I was proved correct. However, I also expected that if I did suffer an injury through doing my duty if I was rendered disabled late in my career I would be treated similarly to everyone else in those days and be given a job where a warrant card was required by whatever my injury was would not a hindrance. The SOCO PC injured in the Old Bailey bomb was posted to a CID clerk after all but losing his leg.
The option would be to sue every time an injury occurred. The PC could have claimed that he should not have been sent to a vehicle identified as a suspect device to photograph it. There was also the pension which gave a degree of security.
However, the government appears to have washed its hands of injured police officers.
They tried to dump me when I less than a year left because they would have saved a lot of money. Yet it was lack of care that caused my injury. I had three doctors who agreed with that and the Job's own doctor, a nasty bit of work, refused to be drawn on the matter. I could have lost £thousands. I could have sued, and indeed set out to do so. I was told I had one of the best cases the lawyer, who specialised in such cases, had seen. Yet the Job could get rid of me and then they'd try and cost me too much money to continue, or that is, at least, the way it seemed to me.
Threats worked though.
However, and this is the important bit, I've been lucky in my lack of injuries. I run a website for a branch of a retired police association. I'm one of the fittest there for my age, at least for those who've had a fair bit of time on the street.
I know someone who has been shot at. I've got two mates who have been stabbed. A PC I worked closely with had a length of rolled up lead on his shoulder. He can't turn his head to the right now. I have a cousin who had three CICB claims in 7 months. Not a normal year for him, but if you put yourself out at bit, you are going to get hurt. I had a washing machine dropped on me. They missed, but it wasn't even crimed.
People on PH criticise officers for not taking risks with the health to help the public, but if it was you, with kids, who were risking your life and the welfare of your kids, you might go by the rules as well as if you don't, you get fed to the wolves.
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