Best way to loose stomach?

Best way to loose stomach?

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otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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I've been having four sessions a week with a PT since July. That's quite expensive. I'm considering reducing the number of sessions soon, I am perfectly capable of exercising alone, but there is no denying that having a session booked and paid for motivates me to go to the gym when otherwise I wouldn't.

didelydoo

5,528 posts

209 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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RobM77 said:
I agree, but for me it has to be the right weights and done within reason. I personally do actually find that something feels better than being strong: being agile wink If I could choose any body I liked it would be a diver, F1 driver or triathlete, not a rugby player or a boxer.

PH did a 'hundred pressups' challenge a few years ago, and I followed it, but by the time I got up to about 70 or 80 press-ups I had put on several kilogrammes in muscle, was around a 42" chest and it felt horrible. I couldn't wait to shed it all again. I still do weights, but I do what I can to stay lean and powerful, rather than bulky and strong. If I'm doing regular exercise and weights twice a week, this corresponds to about 70kg for me (I'm 1.77m). There's no way I want to be more than that or more than a 40" chest again.

This is of course all a matter of taste smile
That whole statement is just a bit odd and slightly contradictory! You can be strong, lean and agile you know, you're more or less saying you want to be small.

RobM77

35,349 posts

233 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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didelydoo said:
RobM77 said:
I agree, but for me it has to be the right weights and done within reason. I personally do actually find that something feels better than being strong: being agile wink If I could choose any body I liked it would be a diver, F1 driver or triathlete, not a rugby player or a boxer.

PH did a 'hundred pressups' challenge a few years ago, and I followed it, but by the time I got up to about 70 or 80 press-ups I had put on several kilogrammes in muscle, was around a 42" chest and it felt horrible. I couldn't wait to shed it all again. I still do weights, but I do what I can to stay lean and powerful, rather than bulky and strong. If I'm doing regular exercise and weights twice a week, this corresponds to about 70kg for me (I'm 1.77m). There's no way I want to be more than that or more than a 40" chest again.

This is of course all a matter of taste smile
That whole statement is just a bit odd and slightly contradictory! You can be strong, lean and agile you know, you're more or less saying you want to be small.
That's ok, I just think you've misunderstood. I'm agreeing that weights are good, but I'm saying that it's important to be clear of your goals. If I did a standard weights programme then I'd get bigger and I would hate that (been there, done that, horrible). You're right, yes, I want to stay small, which is quite a specific thing to train for, and I think people need to be aware of that before flinging themselves into a weights programme.

johnwilliams77

8,308 posts

102 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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didelydoo said:
That whole statement is just a bit odd and slightly contradictory! You can be strong, lean and agile you know, you're more or less saying you want to be small.
This. Triathletes, formula 1 drivers, gymnasts are pretty 'strong', without looking like bodybuilders.

J4CKO

41,287 posts

199 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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RobM77 said:
ambuletz said:
There is no reason NOT to do weights.
the main purpose for weight lifting is to retain muscle mass during a calorie deficit. for someone who's fat and not doing exericse they'll lose a fair bit of muscle along with it and end up being 'skinny fat'. new people to weight lifting might make a slight amount of gains, and also strength. nothing feels better then feeling strong. it'll improve your core, your posture (if you lift right), and overhall help with body recomposition.

lift 2-3 times a week + do daily low/moderate intensity cardio (20-60min), eat plenty (but still make sure you're in a deficit).
lets say that's 2500cals while having a -500 deficit

it's a million times better than being sedentry every single day and picking at 2000cals for a -500cal deficit
I agree, but for me it has to be the right weights and done within reason. I personally do actually find that something feels better than being strong: being agile wink If I could choose any body I liked it would be a diver, F1 driver or triathlete, not a rugby player or a boxer.

PH did a 'hundred pressups' challenge a few years ago, and I followed it, but by the time I got up to about 70 or 80 press-ups I had put on several kilogrammes in muscle, was around a 42" chest and it felt horrible. I couldn't wait to shed it all again. I still do weights, but I do what I can to stay lean and powerful, rather than bulky and strong. If I'm doing regular exercise and weights twice a week, this corresponds to about 70kg for me (I'm 1.77m). There's no way I want to be more than that or more than a 40" chest again.

This is of course all a matter of taste smile
Several kilogrammes of muscle from doing pressups ?

I dont doubt it puts on muscle but several kilogrammes from just doing one exercise, I take several as being four maybe five, guess it must be possible but seems a lot.




RobM77

35,349 posts

233 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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johnwilliams77 said:
didelydoo said:
That whole statement is just a bit odd and slightly contradictory! You can be strong, lean and agile you know, you're more or less saying you want to be small.
This. Triathletes, formula 1 drivers, gymnasts are pretty 'strong', without looking like bodybuilders.
yes That is exactly my point. You need to train specifically for that, you can't just go to the gym and expect strength without size unless you know specifically what to do. For me at least, if I just pump heavy weights then I start to bulk up.

J4CKO

41,287 posts

199 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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RobM77 said:
didelydoo said:
RobM77 said:
I agree, but for me it has to be the right weights and done within reason. I personally do actually find that something feels better than being strong: being agile wink If I could choose any body I liked it would be a diver, F1 driver or triathlete, not a rugby player or a boxer.

PH did a 'hundred pressups' challenge a few years ago, and I followed it, but by the time I got up to about 70 or 80 press-ups I had put on several kilogrammes in muscle, was around a 42" chest and it felt horrible. I couldn't wait to shed it all again. I still do weights, but I do what I can to stay lean and powerful, rather than bulky and strong. If I'm doing regular exercise and weights twice a week, this corresponds to about 70kg for me (I'm 1.77m). There's no way I want to be more than that or more than a 40" chest again.

This is of course all a matter of taste smile
That whole statement is just a bit odd and slightly contradictory! You can be strong, lean and agile you know, you're more or less saying you want to be small.
That's ok, I just think you've misunderstood. I'm agreeing that weights are good, but I'm saying that it's important to be clear of your goals. If I did a standard weights programme then I'd get bigger and I would hate that (been there, done that, horrible). You're right, yes, I want to stay small, which is quite a specific thing to train for, and I think people need to be aware of that before flinging themselves into a weights programme.
I agree, dont want to be massive, but weights are weird in how they influence your body image,in the gym, you feel like the runt of the litter and then the other night at John Lewis trying on XL shirts that wouldn't do up because of the bulk round my top half made me feel like I had overdone it, some of it was down to still being overweight but pre getting back into training they fit and I have lost 2 stone since then, I didnt really think it had made much change but it does change your shape.

I personally just want to look lean and toned, carry a bit of muscle but not be that big, I dont have the dedication to do that anyway, I am noticing more shape as the fat is going, I have backed off on doing as much weight as I can and am doing sensible weights with more reps, will see where I am at once the blubber is banished, then I can see what I need to focus on better, for me I think the Daniel Craig type Physique is what to aim for, not the Rock.

It is very compelling getting slimmer and fitter, had a family gathering the other day and am usually the podgeist bloke there, not any more, I have raised my game and others had let theirs slip, it isnt a competition but got sick of being told I had put weight on, funnily enough, no weight based quips this time.





chris watton

22,477 posts

259 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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I am sure some people massively underestimate just how much dedication and 'suffering' is required to put on muscle that is even vaguely noticeable. I have read that some think that drinking whey protein and doing the most rudimentary exercises will make then look like a pro-bodybuilder in 6 weeks!

J4CKO

41,287 posts

199 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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chris watton said:
I am sure some people massively underestimate just how much dedication and 'suffering' is required to put on muscle that is even vaguely noticeable. I have read that some think that drinking whey protein and doing the most rudimentary exercises will make then look like a pro-bodybuilder in 6 weeks!
Nah, you need at least 8 weeks wink

And then someone will tell you knowingly that you best keep it up as otherwise it will all turn to fat....

didelydoo

5,528 posts

209 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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chris watton said:
I am sure some people massively underestimate just how much dedication and 'suffering' is required to put on muscle that is even vaguely noticeable. I have read that some think that drinking whey protein and doing the most rudimentary exercises will make then look like a pro-bodybuilder in 6 weeks!
Yup- It's a massively long process to gain muscle mass, and then it's a pain to be lean enough to look like you've gained it, by which point most people end up back where they began.

mcelliott

8,626 posts

180 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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Stay away from dem gyms bro don't wanna get too big.