PHAT fighters Q1 Weight Loss Challenge
Discussion
Smitters said:
HTP99 said:
Best time of the morning to for me, I do an outdoor Bootcamp on Thursday at 6:30 am, last week it was -5c; certainly wakes you up!
I think if I gave myself 15-20 mins to warm up I'd be OK. My legs are just pretty stiff after a potter about to make a coffee and five mins of jogging on the spot and windmilling my arms. It sort of takes away from the "done in 30 minutes" aspect somewhat, whereas I'm OK with a shorter warm-up later in the day. Horses for courses and all that. Off to the gym now for an easy 30 mins on the cross trainer.I found it pretty hard this morning, it was definitely more intense than usual, didn't help that even though it was relatively warm at 5c it was also damp in the air; I hate the damp.
Best thing I ever did from an exercise point of view; ditching the gym and doing bootbamp sessions, I am fitter now at 42, than I have ever been, just need to shift a couple of stone.
Edited by HTP99 on Thursday 12th January 10:26
J4CKO said:
Thats the spirit, and things...
Cheers. You're dead right too on not using weight as the sole indicator. I quit booze and did the PH 2012 Fitness Challenge way back when, and the photos were far more revealing than the basic numbers.For me, the biggest realisation was that when viewed side on, I should be substantially thinner at the waist than the chest. This isn't just subcutaneous fat, but the far more serious excess fat around organs. Being healthier and reducing total body fat to a sensible level is the goal. This side-on view has become my barometer really. The lower BP, lower HR, increased energy, clearer skin and just a general glow of well-being, totally intangible but very present after some effort, all add up to change.
Smitters said:
J4CKO said:
Thats the spirit, and things...
Cheers. You're dead right too on not using weight as the sole indicator. I quit booze and did the PH 2012 Fitness Challenge way back when, and the photos were far more revealing than the basic numbers.For me, the biggest realisation was that when viewed side on, I should be substantially thinner at the waist than the chest. This isn't just subcutaneous fat, but the far more serious excess fat around organs. Being healthier and reducing total body fat to a sensible level is the goal. This side-on view has become my barometer really. The lower BP, lower HR, increased energy, clearer skin and just a general glow of well-being, totally intangible but very present after some effort, all add up to change.
I look more straight up and down now, as a bloke of six foot you can carry a certain amount of weight but 18 stone is too much, I pass 16 and a half and I look "fat", look ok-ish now but want to do more so I look passable without my shirt on, not six pack or massive but have a shape and some definition.
Its funny, you think you look a mess when going to the gym due to all the people there in good shape, in the general population you actually look pretty good, a large percentage just arent that fit int his country, even if they are fairly slim.
Just got in from work and weighed in. I'm now at 91.9kg.
Not actually finding it that difficult, it's just making sure that meals and lunch for work is planned a week in advance so we can shop it it on one go, otherwise the temptation to buy crap is too strong.
Tuesday the boss normally gets his wife to back a cake and bring it in amd also one of the boys had a birthday so we had cake Tuesday and Wednesday. I however skipped cake on both days it was difficult and rhetoric boys took the piss a bit but I'm glad I did it.
Not actually finding it that difficult, it's just making sure that meals and lunch for work is planned a week in advance so we can shop it it on one go, otherwise the temptation to buy crap is too strong.
Tuesday the boss normally gets his wife to back a cake and bring it in amd also one of the boys had a birthday so we had cake Tuesday and Wednesday. I however skipped cake on both days it was difficult and rhetoric boys took the piss a bit but I'm glad I did it.
weighed myself last night. happy with progress, right on the trendline i want to follow. I weigh myself daily, at almost the same time. post evacuation. with same amount of clothing on (pyjamas). weighing daily does result in more ups and downs, but i find its the best way for me - rather than ending a week with no movement and having a large dissapointment i prefer to spread my dissapointment into a little daily dose. 
I will post my next weight on saturday.
I will post my next weight on saturday.
FredAstaire said:
p1stonhead said:
I really want to see what you define as a gut!
61.5 - i bet you cant even see him if he stands side on
Fair play to him though I bet a marathon runner must feel unhealthy unless they are absolutely disciplined. I forgive myself for eating crap far too easily!
After going up 1.5kg in the first few days, I m now 1.5 below my starting weight @ 93.5kg.
Off the booze, going to the gym, 1 or 2 cigs per day.. because I want one.. not in any way dependent, some days haven't bothered.
Difficult over last weekend as we had snow that froze, so confined to the house for 3 days.
Off the booze, going to the gym, 1 or 2 cigs per day.. because I want one.. not in any way dependent, some days haven't bothered.
Difficult over last weekend as we had snow that froze, so confined to the house for 3 days.
I am stationary on 15 st 9, it wont budge, I know it will if I do it right, been pretty good all week and being a glass half full person, at least it hasnt gone up.
Have been to the gym twice for an hour, going again tomorrow, walked about seven miles over the week, cycled 42 miles and eaten circa 2000 cals a day.
Have been to the gym twice for an hour, going again tomorrow, walked about seven miles over the week, cycled 42 miles and eaten circa 2000 cals a day.
I was down to 14 stone on the nose yesterday morning - but wasn't so well behaved as went to Autosport International with my Dad. Maybe 2500-3000 cals for the day....ooops. Still hopefully given the amount of moving about done there will only be limited damage.
Off for a run at lunch and back on the being good bus today and will have another bike ride at the weekend providing the roads aren't too bad
Off for a run at lunch and back on the being good bus today and will have another bike ride at the weekend providing the roads aren't too bad
AndStilliRise said:
All sorts of worrying stuff
Please take this as it's intended - out of concern rather than being critical. Indeed, you can just go TLDR, but I thought I'd type it anyway.I've re-read the entire thread to see what you've written and how you've responded to peoples comments so I'm not typing blindly, but I do have some observations.
Reality check here. We're the same height, yet you weigh 15kg less than I do. And I'm moderately tubby, but by 21st century standards, in pretty good shape. I can run a sub two half marathon, do a hilly 35 miles at a push, and shove my boy round parkrun in his buggy in 24 mins.
I, like you, enjoy reading about what pro athletes do, how they train, what they eat. However, if there's one message that's come through consistently from every coach I've ever spoken to, listened to on podcast or read articles by, it's that the best results come from tailoring a program to the individual. What works for one person doesn't work for another with the same results, even if exactly replicated. A really good example is last weeks MarathonTalk podcast, with coach Jack Daniels. It's worth a listen.
So considering Nairo Quintana, who has literally teams of people advising him and managing his life isn't really fair, unless all you do is have your private chef prepare you nutritionally optimised foods based on your training plan, while you have your swannie rub you down to keep your muscles optimally loose, then spend the rest of your day resting to recover optimally. Is he really 59kg all the time? Or is that his race starting weight? Is that his TdF week three weight? Bear in mind he's also going to be pushing the envelope in terms of sustainable weight versus performance. He'll risk a very weak immune system to lose the final kgs because he doesn't have to, for example, go the germ factory that is a nursery/supermarket/bus/train... Prior to the 2012 Olympics, the British track team were essentially segregated from all but essential staff to avoid illness, so low was their resistance.
Secondly, the body is a funny thing. If you starve it of calories and place it under duress by, for example, running long distances, it recognises this and actually hangs on to its fat "just in case". Your body is designed to survive, so by subjecting it to sustained significant calorie deficit, either by eating 1800 cals and high volumes of exercise, or by eating really low cals (say less than 1000), it goes into survival mode. That fat ain't going anywhere. It's your body's insurance policy.
Finally, the other message that has come loud and clear to me is that fat loss/lean-ness/six packs, whatever you want to call it, is made in the kitchen, not the gym. You clearly aren't demolishing MacDonalds every day, but really good quality calories (veggies, lean meats, good fatty foods like avo etc) are far better for you than less calories of mixed healthy and unhealthy food. Any yes, all over every forum, including this one, are people who refute this, say they eat whatever they want and are in great shape - and that's fine. It goes back to point one - everyone's different - but anecdotally, most people respond better to a healthy diet and moderate exercise than a see-anything-and-eat-it diet and masses of training.
All IMHO of course, but a 61kg, 5'7 guy who thinks they can pinch 4" of fat may not be seeing themselves in the same way as everyone else, or needs a refresher on how big an inch is. If I can pinch 4" of tummy fat, Daniel Junior is huuuuge. We're both on the running thread too I see, and you are in about 3.30 mara shape. I reckon if you stopped weighing yourself, ate a great diet designed to fuel running and recovery from running, and gave yourself an 18 week crack at a 3.00-3.15 mara plan, you'd be in much better shape in five months than by focusing on what you can pinch in the privacy of your bathroom...
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