Martial Arts

[Fozziebear]

Had a good roll at judo last night, worked on grip and combo techniques for tai otoshi

[Alex_225]

It's all learning I guess mate. No matter how long you train for there's always someone out there who'll do things to catch you our or infuriate. With ground fighting it can be one of those things where people get themselves in a right pickle trying something over and over using brute force rather than technique.

I had a decent enough session on Tuesday as have started on some new throws for my next grading. Our syllabus varies a lot in terms of the belts. These throws are complicated and being sacrifice throws, ones you'd rarely do in a real world situation. That said they're a bit of fun and with quite a large syllabus, not everything is going to work in the real world. By contrast a lot would.

[Pete102]

Alex_225 said:

It's all learning I guess mate. No matter how long you train for there's always someone out there who'll do things to catch you our or infuriate. With ground fighting it can be one of those things where people get themselves in a right pickle trying something over and over using brute force rather than technique.

I had a decent enough session on Tuesday as have started on some new throws for my next grading. Our syllabus varies a lot in terms of the belts. These throws are complicated and being sacrifice throws, ones you'd rarely do in a real world situation. That said they're a bit of fun and with quite a large syllabus, not everything is going to work in the real world. By contrast a lot would.

Cheers Alex, I pinged the guy a message earlier and apologized for getting frustrated, I've accepted it as one of those things now and hopefully learn from it.

[Alex_225]

Pete102 said:

Cheers Alex, I pinged the guy a message earlier and apologized for getting frustrated, I've accepted it as one of those things now and hopefully learn from it.

Best way really mate. Thing is we're always learning be it in life or with a hobby, there are guys who have trained where I go for years and years but are generally open minded.

I'm not able to make my tomorrows sessions but have been roped into a Kumite session on Sunday. Should be interesting.

[Tony Angelino]

I'm about 10 sessions in now, starting to get a vague idea of what's going on. Beginning to understand the hierarchy of positions and getting the first idea of what I need to do on a very basic level, no idea how to go about achieving it though! BJJ a whole new ball game to what I'm used to......

[BRR]

Enjoying my training at the minute, I have a San Shou (basically a combination of kickboxing and wrestling) fight agreed for 18th February and yesterday I was awarded 3 stripes on my BJJ white belt. Planning to get some Gi & No-Gi comps in over the coming months and hopefully an MMA fight. I'm going to be working in Singapore and Montreal also so will try and get some time training at Evolve & Tristar which should be a good experience

[Liokault]

BRR said:

Enjoying my training at the minute, I have a San Shou (basically a combination of kickboxing and wrestling) fight agreed for 18th February and yesterday I was awarded 3 stripes on my BJJ white belt. Planning to get some Gi & No-Gi comps in over the coming months and hopefully an MMA fight. I'm going to be working in Singapore and Montreal also so will try and get some time training at Evolve & Tristar which should be a good experience

Awesome, I was British champion (BCCMA) in my weight class many many years ago in San shou. I've done something like 20 odd SS fights.

[BRR]

Liokault said:

Awesome, I was British champion (BCCMA) in my weight class many many years ago in San shou. I've done something like 20 odd SS fights.

Awesome I didn't realise there was a scene for it in the UK until I got approached about competing, from what I gather it's pretty much MMA but in boxing gloves and without being able to work on the ground after the takedown, or maybe K1 + takedowns is a better description. either way it might be a problem for me as all my wins are by submission, should be fun though

Edited by BRR on Tuesday 24th January 09:41

[Liokault]

BRR said:

Liokault said:

Awesome, I was British champion (BCCMA) in my weight class many many years ago in San shou. I've done something like 20 odd SS fights.

Awesome I didn't realise there was a scene for it in the UK until I got approached about competing, from what I gather it's pretty much MMA but in boxing gloves and without being able to work on the ground after the takedown, or maybe K1 + takedowns is a better description. either way it might be a problem for me as all my wins are by submission, should be fun though

Edited by BRR on Tuesday 24th January 09:41

Make sure you check the rules, the easiest points are from making the other guy leave the area. In the old rules if you make the other guy leave the area twice, you win the round.....I did the below twice in my last fight....I'm the guy in the black chest guard....and I was given the round .....took about 30 seconds.

Round two, he worked out what I was going and clinched me.....that round took seven minutes.

In the really really old rules, it was a 3ft raised platform, lei tai, and there were no points for punches or kicks, only for offs or downs ....you either KO'd the other guy of threw the down or off. They were the best days

https://youtu.be/yLjQPpTaqCQ

[BRR]

ah ok, yours appears very true to the San Shou rules this one appears to be a modified version of it, I've found the rules here http://www.hybridfight.com/about-fight-light/ i'll be fighting full contact which from what I can make out and from watching previous fights on the show looks like K1 + takedowns in a ring so I guess a lot of the old methods for scoring in san shou are out

[Liokault]

BRR said:

ah ok, yours appears very true to the San Shou rules this one appears to be a modified version of it, I've found the rules here http://www.hybridfight.com/about-fight-light/ i'll be fighting full contact which from what I can make out and from watching previous fights on the show looks like K1 + takedowns in a ring so I guess a lot of the old methods for scoring in san shou are out

That website looks great, SS is a great format, sadly, politics more or less killed it for me. Please keep us up dated on this thread, I'm really interested in how it goes down.

[Alex_225]

Chap I train with is also hugely into San Shou and competes. Can't tell you more than that but he's great to train with even from a Ju Jitsu perspective.

I attended the Kumite session on Sunday which was utterly exhausting but got some good training in. Last nights session was a standard class but I'm training for my next belt so learning some new throws. These throws/take downs are predominantly sacrifice throws so fun to practice but not necessarily something you'd apply in the real world, well not unless you're some kind of athlete....which I'm really not.

[ben5575]

kumite/sparring are my favourite aspects of it all. Amazing how quickly you lose your timing/'edge' if you miss a week or two.

On a related kumite/san shou/injury note, I went for a double leg whilst sparring on Friday night. Now the accepted form, much like catching a leg kick, is that the point is made without actually putting him on his arse.

So I managed to catch him and lift him an inch or two off the ground to make the point. Unfortunately he/his ego felt the need to try and prove his own point, so as I relaxed to let go of him and went to stand up, he wrapped his arms under my chin, pulled me into his chest and lost his balance. The result that he fell backwards with me on top of him with my head pointing the wrong way.

Nerve trapped, shot of electricity through my left arm and then no sensation in it and my shoulder. I absolutely shat myself Kicks and punches I can deal with. The panic of thinking you've just broken your neck, not so much. Lasted a minute or so, and ok now apart from with slight twinge, but jesus christ it scared the st out of me . I may have screamed a little too

Apparently this is all a common experience with you grapplers?

[Alex_225]

I'll be honest I can't say I've had a pain like that but taking someone down by the beck is not great, as you found out.

As long as poo didn't end up all over the place you'll be ok. Hope you heal up ok mate,

[Pete102]

Interesting it's common place to back out of the double leg if its clearly on, my experience in BJJ sparring is just to drive through and establish ground control.

I had a great session last night, felt strong and cardio held up through a couple of rounds of sparring, Some taps on me (including a cheeky Americana from bottom!, I'll be storing that one away for the future!) and a couple of taps from me (triangle, arm triangle, americana, choke from modified side). Its probably one of the main reasons I love BJJ, to go from having an awful session one week to a great session the next week where everything just clicks.

[ben5575]

Pete102 said:

Interesting it's common place to back out of the double leg if its clearly on, my experience in BJJ sparring is just to drive through and establish ground control.

Not necessarily common place. I think if you're mma or like your place then you'd follow through. Our classes are streamed into either stand up or grappling. Obviously lots do both, but the sparring sessions tend to be clear cut. So if you're on the mats with 20 people kicking and punching, it's normally a good idea to stay on your feet. It switches to an hours rolling afterwards.

Fortunately there was no poo....

[BRR]

had a decent BJJ session last night, though I struggle against the higher level guys (purple +) when stuck in their guard, got tapped twice last night with some sort of cross collar grip from that position, did catch a gogopolata though off a failed omopolata attempt which was rare for me. MMA then Thai for me tonight

[Halb]

For those interested, there is currently a three part doc, last part to air next Tuesday, on Discovery on how Idris Elba takes a year to compete in a professional kickboxing fight. First two parts are really good.

[Liokault]

Halb said:

For those interested, there is currently a three part doc, last part to air next Tuesday, on Discovery on how Idris Elba takes a year to compete in a professional kickboxing fight. First two parts are really good.

Been seeing the adverts for this, looks really interesting.

[Pete102]

I received my white belt 4th stripe last night, now to start honing everything ready for the blue test in a couple of months. Hoping to hit a few competitions as well before blue but it all hinges on my work schedule at the moment.