High fat diets - anyone else do them?
Discussion
mikiec said:
Have you looked at time restricted eating - basically it's an alternative to fasting with similar longevity benefits. Optimal time supposed to be 9 hours but anything under 12 good. Couple of cheat days a week okay as well
For example all my eating is done between 9am-6pm, with only water okay outside of those times. Few studies showing some interesting results with good fat loss compared to a non TRE diet with the same calories consumed.
I'm only a week in on it but seems to be working and for me a lot more appealing than fasting. Just miss my coffee first thing in the morning
I had a go at that for a little while. If I have too many carbs in my diet, I just get cravings between meals and my mood goes to pot.For example all my eating is done between 9am-6pm, with only water okay outside of those times. Few studies showing some interesting results with good fat loss compared to a non TRE diet with the same calories consumed.
I'm only a week in on it but seems to be working and for me a lot more appealing than fasting. Just miss my coffee first thing in the morning
Funny thing is this is probably what I am doing on the high fat diet. I will typically only have two meals a day and can quite happily go for a whole day without needing to feed my face (or even realising I haven't eaten).
grumbledoak said:
joshcowin said:
I honestly do not believe it is as easy as saying calories in vs calories out,
It isn't. You are not a bomb calorimeter.https://instagram.com/p/BQ2CcC3FG7t/
PieSlayer said:
I tried low carb once, but I always seemed to be hungry only an hour or two after eating.
Will this pass after a few days/weeks?
Also can anyone post up anexanple if what they eat in a day avoiding carbs please?
As above Keto is working for me and very few hunger pains.Will this pass after a few days/weeks?
Also can anyone post up anexanple if what they eat in a day avoiding carbs please?
Breakfast: Eggs (however you want them) with some ham or bacon or cheese in with them.
Lunch: Salad w/ meat or fish
Dinner: Meat w/ broccoli / asparagus / green beans etc.
Research Keto recipes, loads on youtube / online.
PieSlayer said:
I tried low carb once, but I always seemed to be hungry only an hour or two after eating.
Will this pass after a few days/weeks?
Also can anyone post up anexanple if what they eat in a day avoiding carbs please?
About two hours is the right frequency for an insulin cycle, which is why cereal for breakfast usually leads to a mid-morning snack.Will this pass after a few days/weeks?
Also can anyone post up anexanple if what they eat in a day avoiding carbs please?
I skip breakfast, have a Pret salad + eggs for lunch, the evening meal is meat and green veg, normally followed by cheese. Big meals, no snacks.
Read Taubes.
Insanity Magnet said:
I had a go at that for a little while. If I have too many carbs in my diet, I just get cravings between meals and my mood goes to pot.
Funny thing is this is probably what I am doing on the high fat diet. I will typically only have two meals a day and can quite happily go for a whole day without needing to feed my face (or even realising I haven't eaten).
I think you definitely need to be fat adapted for this, I eat at 9 and 6 with a high fat smoothie around 2 and no hunger issues, nor mood swingsFunny thing is this is probably what I am doing on the high fat diet. I will typically only have two meals a day and can quite happily go for a whole day without needing to feed my face (or even realising I haven't eaten).
PieSlayer said:
I tried low carb once, but I always seemed to be hungry only an hour or two after eating.
Will this pass after a few days/weeks?
Also can anyone post up anexanple if what they eat in a day avoiding carbs please?
Basically you need to get your body fat adapted, that is using fat for energy instead of carbs, might take a couple of weeks. Some people go low carb without significantly increasing fat intake and that will lead to hunger cravings. Make sure you have fat with everything you eat and bulk your meals with vegetables (not potatoes, corn etc) that should get rid of feeling hungry quicklyWill this pass after a few days/weeks?
Also can anyone post up anexanple if what they eat in a day avoiding carbs please?
You produce glucose from a proportion of your protein intake (gluconeogenesis) and therefore high protein may not help some people at all - it depends how glucose intolerant you are.
Also as protein doesn't get stored by the body unless used for cell growth/repair, excess protein is broken down and excreted. High protein diets can therefore give you ammonia smelling BO
Also as protein doesn't get stored by the body unless used for cell growth/repair, excess protein is broken down and excreted. High protein diets can therefore give you ammonia smelling BO
Edited by oldbanger on Friday 24th February 15:09
DuncanM said:
Do you guys not find it an utterly depressing way to live?
What about the health implications of being on such a high fat diet?
Keto, as a lifestyle, sounds hellishly miserable.
I started this nearly 4 weeks ago because of this thread out of pure interest. So the below is just my thoughts.What about the health implications of being on such a high fat diet?
Keto, as a lifestyle, sounds hellishly miserable.
Depressing? No it's liberating, no more carb crashes no more need to eat all of a sudden or afternoon lack of energy.
When you think about the best bits to eat on your plate is it the steak or the chips? The filling of a sandwich or the bread? I find the carbs as something to fill the plate to be honest. Going without once you are over the cravings is easy, I won't lie the first 2-3 days are hellish. But after that the hunger subsides, energy levels increase and my mind is the clearest it's ever been. I've also been more motivated in work, the gym and just generally by catching up with odd jobs and rearranging finances.
Three weeks in and I have more energy, 15 pounds down (only weighed 80kg so not a chunker) lifts in the gym are up due to the protein and I think I've been to the gym more as I have more energy when I get home.
Downside is being questioned all the time about it by people in work and it's challenging when you go a restaurant as everything is served with carbs.
It's worth noting that it's a low carb diet not a 0 carb diet so if you want a piece of toast or a few chips you can have them, after the first week I just haven't craved any carbs or fancied a drink so I have stuck to under 50g carbs every day.
As for the health downsides? I can't think of any, I always take a multi vitamin with iron anyway and my fibre comes from eating slot of leafy greens. Many studies are showing that it's sugar that is dangerous not fat most fats are more natural than carbs.
As a side note theKeto diet is sometimes recommended for Diabetics and Epileptics due to avoiding sugar crashes and controlling insulin levels.
It's definitely not a magic pill and won't work for most people as it doesn't fit with society but it certainly works for me and many others. I'm coming off it tomorrow for a couple of weeks as I have a few weekends away on lads holidays and some trips away with work and it's tough to do it on the move, As soon as my schedule is back to normal I'll be going Keto again the benefits far out weigh any negatives I can think of for me.
Edited by Shinobi on Friday 24th February 16:18
Shinobi said:
Three weeks in and I have more energy, 15 pounds down (only weighed 80kg so not a chunker) lifts in the gym are up due to the protein and I think I've been to the gym more as I have more energy when I get home.
Edited to add... I neglected to mention that I am impressed with the progress you've made. Top work.Argh! I am 7lb down after 7 weeks, but was completely stalled for a lot of January. I started using a food diary/calculator and realised I'd let my carbs creep back up and my fat intake was still too low. I also have upped exercise quite a bit - I am training for the three peaks and weight loss alone, even if I succeed in losing 25% of my current body mass, isn't going get me through the experience, so I am hoping muscle gain has hidden some of the weight loss.
Edited by oldbanger on Friday 24th February 18:22
Edited by oldbanger on Friday 24th February 20:58
DuncanM said:
Do you guys not find it an utterly depressing way to live?
What about the health implications of being on such a high fat diet?
Keto, as a lifestyle, sounds hellishly miserable.
I don't find it depressing at all really. When first I started restricting carbs about 12 years ago I had loads of health issues, including terrible skin, insomnia, my hair was thinning, I had no energy, I had lots of sugar crashes and I constantly had digestive problems. These problems cleared up really quickly and return within a couple of days if I fall off the wagon properly.What about the health implications of being on such a high fat diet?
Keto, as a lifestyle, sounds hellishly miserable.
The stricter I become the better I feel. I was intermittent fasting on a 20/4 daily cycle with moderate rather than low carb for 6 months at one point, and once I got past the initial 2 days of nausea, I found it fantastic for mental clarity and stopped feeling hungry in my off times. I have a thinking job and that matters massively.
Sure low carbing is difficult to fit in around feeding a family of 5 junk food addicts, which is part of the reason why I haven't been strict enough, but I don't want to fit in any more.
The only thing I really miss right now is curry. However I can still have some occasionally and will be able to indulge more regularly when the time comes.
DuncanM said:
Do you guys not find it an utterly depressing way to live?
What about the health implications of being on such a high fat diet?
Keto, as a lifestyle, sounds hellishly miserable.
Yes, every diet always has a downside.What about the health implications of being on such a high fat diet?
Keto, as a lifestyle, sounds hellishly miserable.
For high-fat, high-protein diets, they can eventually harm the kidneys and brain. The kidneys get protein-overload and become less and less efficient at processing waste. The brain gets carb-shortage, which leads to brain fog and can accelerate dementia.
When you study 100-yearolds, none of them ever say their secret to success for long living was keto regimens or feeling the burn at the gym. They almost always say it was moderate eating, drinking and sleeping.
oldbanger said:
DuncanM said:
Do you guys not find it an utterly depressing way to live?
What about the health implications of being on such a high fat diet?
Keto, as a lifestyle, sounds hellishly miserable.
I don't find it depressing at all really. When first I started restricting carbs about 12 years ago I had loads of health issues, including terrible skin, insomnia, my hair was thinning, I had no energy, I had lots of sugar crashes and I constantly had digestive problems. These problems cleared up really quickly and return within a couple of days if I fall off the wagon properly.What about the health implications of being on such a high fat diet?
Keto, as a lifestyle, sounds hellishly miserable.
The stricter I become the better I feel. I was intermittent fasting on a 20/4 daily cycle with moderate rather than low carb for 6 months at one point, and once I got past the initial 2 days of nausea, I found it fantastic for mental clarity and stopped feeling hungry in my off times. I have a thinking job and that matters massively.
Sure low carbing is difficult to fit in around feeding a family of 5 junk food addicts, which is part of the reason why I haven't been strict enough, but I don't want to fit in any more.
The only thing I really miss right now is curry. However I can still have some occasionally and will be able to indulge more regularly when the time comes.
It just sounds like tip toeing through life. Don't get me wrong, I have gone moderately low carb in the past (Low GI diet), and it does feel good. The excessive buttering up your bacon, just sounds unhealthy.
Stop eating fruit and veg! (Carbs) - Said no Heart doctor ever.
Yipper said:
Yes, every diet always has a downside.
For high-fat, high-protein diets, they can eventually harm the kidneys and brain. The kidneys get protein-overload and become less and less efficient at processing waste. The brain gets carb-shortage, which leads to brain fog and can accelerate dementia.
Well I suspect that my brain is already made mostly of fat. Doomed I tell you. For high-fat, high-protein diets, they can eventually harm the kidneys and brain. The kidneys get protein-overload and become less and less efficient at processing waste. The brain gets carb-shortage, which leads to brain fog and can accelerate dementia.
Yipper said:
DuncanM said:
Do you guys not find it an utterly depressing way to live?
What about the health implications of being on such a high fat diet?
Keto, as a lifestyle, sounds hellishly miserable.
Yes, every diet always has a downside.What about the health implications of being on such a high fat diet?
Keto, as a lifestyle, sounds hellishly miserable.
For high-fat, high-protein diets, they can eventually harm the kidneys and brain. The kidneys get protein-overload and become less and less efficient at processing waste. The brain gets carb-shortage, which leads to brain fog and can accelerate dementia.
When you study 100-yearolds, none of them ever say their secret to success for long living was keto regimens or feeling the burn at the gym. They almost always say it was moderate eating, drinking and sleeping.
DuncanM said:
Thank you for the reply, sounds like it's working for you
It just sounds like tip toeing through life. Don't get me wrong, I have gone moderately low carb in the past (Low GI diet), and it does feel good. The excessive buttering up your bacon, just sounds unhealthy.
Stop eating fruit and veg! (Carbs) - Said no Heart doctor ever.
My dinner tonight. Pork belly with pak choi, broccoli, basil, mushrooms, kale, peppers and aubergineIt just sounds like tip toeing through life. Don't get me wrong, I have gone moderately low carb in the past (Low GI diet), and it does feel good. The excessive buttering up your bacon, just sounds unhealthy.
Stop eating fruit and veg! (Carbs) - Said no Heart doctor ever.
This was <10g carbs, so slightly less than half my daily carbs, by the way
Edited by oldbanger on Friday 24th February 21:01
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