Reversing Type 2 Diabetes
Discussion
Regarding genetics, I understand that you can be predisposed to developing type 2, but that the cause is still lifestyle. Some people can spend their entire life eating candy floss, and their pancreas just keeps pumping out more and more insulin to compensate. Other people will develop the disease far easier.
Ultimately though it’s still caused by carbohydrate metabolism, and this is avoidable if people hadn’t been conditioned their entire lives to believe the lipo hypothesis - bulls
t science from the 1950’s that was on shaky ground even then.
Ultimately though it’s still caused by carbohydrate metabolism, and this is avoidable if people hadn’t been conditioned their entire lives to believe the lipo hypothesis - bulls
t science from the 1950’s that was on shaky ground even then.Kenny Powers said:
Regarding genetics, I understand that you can be predisposed to developing type 2, but that the cause is still lifestyle. Some people can spend their entire life eating candy floss, and their pancreas just keeps pumping out more and more insulin to compensate. Other people will develop the disease far easier.
Ultimately though it’s still caused by carbohydrate metabolism, and this is avoidable if people hadn’t been conditioned their entire lives to believe the lipo hypothesis - bullst science from the 1950’s that was on shaky ground even then.
So what diets would you advocate?Ultimately though it’s still caused by carbohydrate metabolism, and this is avoidable if people hadn’t been conditioned their entire lives to believe the lipo hypothesis - bulls
t science from the 1950’s that was on shaky ground even then.Kenny Powers said:
Personally I no longer touch it, but that’s a personal choice. There’s no reason you can’t enjoy the odd carb-free alcoholic beverage 
I was pointing to it (as per question) as a cause, you don't think so?I also thought booze was off the menu for a T2? Is that wrong too?
AFAIK it either has sugars in it, or the body converts the alchohol to sugar (or something). I was advised drinking was not a good thing for a Diabetic to be doing, well worse than a non diabetic anyhow!
However after typing that out and noticing you put 'carb free' i'm going to look into that, I think wine is. I wonder where home made cider fits in, it's had some of the sugars fermented out although some others remain.
It's a bloody minefield
Well, we’re all dying, pretty much from birth. Everything we do in between has some impact, positive or negative. So we take our chances with the choices we make
Generally, I personally would advise diabetics to seriously moderate alcohol. In itself, providing the beverage in which it’s contained doesn’t contain any carbs, then it won’t raise blood glucose. In fact it will usually lower it somewhat. But it’s more complex than that. When processing alcohol your liver cannot do the other things it needs to do, and when you’re diabetic, you REALLY need your liver to be doing those things.
A little tipple from time to time is unlikely to negatively affect your health or control. There’s also the psychological aspect to consider...diabetes can bring about depression, and denying yourself every pleasure will take its toll. I choose to abstain entirely, but that’s because I have a problem with moderation
Red wine is fine. Cider is not.
Generally, I personally would advise diabetics to seriously moderate alcohol. In itself, providing the beverage in which it’s contained doesn’t contain any carbs, then it won’t raise blood glucose. In fact it will usually lower it somewhat. But it’s more complex than that. When processing alcohol your liver cannot do the other things it needs to do, and when you’re diabetic, you REALLY need your liver to be doing those things.
A little tipple from time to time is unlikely to negatively affect your health or control. There’s also the psychological aspect to consider...diabetes can bring about depression, and denying yourself every pleasure will take its toll. I choose to abstain entirely, but that’s because I have a problem with moderation
Red wine is fine. Cider is not.
Edited by Kenny Powers on Tuesday 8th May 14:31
227bhp said:
It's a bloody minefield
It certainly is sir, and everyone is different, so it’s hard to get a handle on your own individual condition. After a while it becomes normal...I am now at a place where I am confident about my diabetes. I know how to control it, I know what will happen when I do xyz, and I’m never surprised by abc.The real problem is that everyone else thinks they’re a nutritionist and diabetes expert. Without a doubt, they will continue to annoy you for the rest of your days
Kenny Powers said:
It certainly is sir, and everyone is different, so it’s hard to get a handle on your own individual condition. After a while it becomes normal...I am now at a place where I am confident about my diabetes. I know how to control it, I know what will happen when I do xyz, and I’m never surprised by abc.
The real problem is that everyone else thinks they’re a nutritionist and diabetes expert. Without a doubt, they will continue to annoy you for the rest of your days
Indeed, i'm just at the start, 1st 3 monthly blood test coming up soon to see how i've progressed. I'm thinking it will be better, but could be better still as it's been tough adjusting and I had food stocks to get rid of, but have still cut down. I have noticed I can pull my belt on a couple more notches though which is promising. I still have to go on a 'Desmond' course.The real problem is that everyone else thinks they’re a nutritionist and diabetes expert. Without a doubt, they will continue to annoy you for the rest of your days
I'm agreeing with your pessimistic or realistic viewpoint and thanks for taking the time to post, but have to question Cider. I read that beer is out due to the ingredients it's made from, but homemade cider is made like wine - from fruit and some of the sugars 'fermented out' until it stops. I say 'some' as it seems there are a few different ones. It can be so sugar free that it's rough to drink so is sweetened slightly with artificial sweetener.
You mention depression, is that from a chemical imbalance, physically depressed because you can't eat or drink what you like anymore or a bit of both?!
227bhp said:
Indeed, i'm just at the start, 1st 3 monthly blood test coming up soon to see how i've progressed. I'm thinking it will be better, but could be better still as it's been tough adjusting and I had food stocks to get rid of, but have still cut down. I have noticed I can pull my belt on a couple more notches though which is promising. I still have to go on a 'Desmond' course.
I'm agreeing with your pessimistic or realistic viewpoint and thanks for taking the time to post, but have to question Cider. I read that beer is out due to the ingredients it's made from, but homemade cider is made like wine - from fruit and some of the sugars 'fermented out' until it stops. I say 'some' as it seems there are a few different ones. It can be so sugar free that it's rough to drink so is sweetened slightly with artificial sweetener.
You mention depression, is that from a chemical imbalance, physically depressed because you can't eat or drink what you like anymore or a bit of both?!
Everyone is different. Perhaps try a glass of cider and test? It may not affect you too much. One MAJOR piece of advice though, is to realise that blood glucose can be a bit elastic over time (in my experience - perhaps just with Metformin). So many times I’ve tried things that didn’t spike me, so I started consuming them and found after a few days or weeks that my glucose was getting erratic and hard to control.I'm agreeing with your pessimistic or realistic viewpoint and thanks for taking the time to post, but have to question Cider. I read that beer is out due to the ingredients it's made from, but homemade cider is made like wine - from fruit and some of the sugars 'fermented out' until it stops. I say 'some' as it seems there are a few different ones. It can be so sugar free that it's rough to drink so is sweetened slightly with artificial sweetener.
You mention depression, is that from a chemical imbalance, physically depressed because you can't eat or drink what you like anymore or a bit of both?!
I’m unsure of the nature of depression associated with diabetes. I suspect it’s both clinical and a result of the constant stress.
Small moves. No rash decisions or jumping to conclusions. Treat everything with caution, and you’ll learn what works best for you. Good luck and keep posting. Knowledge is power!
Edited by Kenny Powers on Wednesday 9th May 09:38
Kenny Powers said:
Everyone is different. Perhaps try a glass of cider and test? It may not affect you too much. One MAJOR piece of advice though, is to realise that blood glucose can be a bit elastic over time (in my experience - perhaps just with Metformin). So many times I’ve tried things that didn’t spike me, so I started consuming them and found after. A few days or weeks that my glucose was getting erratic and hard to control.
Small moves. No rash decisions or jumping to conclusions. Treat everything with caution, and you’ll learn what works best for you. Good luck and keep posting. Knowledge is power!
Yes good point, I need some equipment. I'll probably get that free one that someone mentioned a page or two back.Small moves. No rash decisions or jumping to conclusions. Treat everything with caution, and you’ll learn what works best for you. Good luck and keep posting. Knowledge is power!
My problem is I have little interest in this, it just pisses me off!
I’m sorry mate but this attitude isn’t going to help you. Downing pints of beer will make your blood glucose absolutely soar, and stay there for hours. This will damage your body. If you keep doing that for years, you’ll almost certainly develop serious complications. Diabetes isn’t a game, it’s very serious and will kill you if you let it.
Have a few rum & diet cokes!
Have a few rum & diet cokes!
Kenny Powers said:
I’m sorry mate but this attitude isn’t going to help you. Downing pints of beer will make your blood glucose absolutely soar, and stay there for hours. This will damage your body. If you keep doing that for years, you’ll almost certainly develop serious complications. Diabetes isn’t a game, it’s very serious and will kill you if you let it.
I never implied I was going to do anything of the sort, i'm asking what I can drink.Ah sorry about that. My perception was that you’d resigned yourself to the beer.
Rum & Diet Coke. Gin and slimline tonic. Anything like that as long as it’s a distilled spirit. Rum does tend to contain some carbs, but for me it was never enough to cause an issue.
Stay strong. Situations like this in the first few months are a real test. You’ll be feeling isolated and deprived. Stay with it, in a year or so you’ll wonder what all the fuss was about. Managing diabetes becomes a piece of piss
Rum & Diet Coke. Gin and slimline tonic. Anything like that as long as it’s a distilled spirit. Rum does tend to contain some carbs, but for me it was never enough to cause an issue.
Stay strong. Situations like this in the first few months are a real test. You’ll be feeling isolated and deprived. Stay with it, in a year or so you’ll wonder what all the fuss was about. Managing diabetes becomes a piece of piss
I've now lost 18kg in the past few months and in the 'healthy' weight category according to the NHS. I need to exercise more now and put some of that weight back on as muscle.
Blood sugar is relatively normal but still spikes if I have carbs, so it is a life time thing or at least until the proper doctor tests come back rather than my incessant pricking of my finger. Still, I'm liking lots of meat and cauliflower based pizza.
Blood sugar is relatively normal but still spikes if I have carbs, so it is a life time thing or at least until the proper doctor tests come back rather than my incessant pricking of my finger. Still, I'm liking lots of meat and cauliflower based pizza.
Well done, keep up the good work!
Your blood sugar is always going to spike if you eat grains/carbs. Cereals/bread/pasta/flour etc. raises the blood sugar of a non-diabetic, so you have no hope. One of the highest glycemic index foods. You’re never going to be able to eat them in meaningful quantities. Nutritional ketosis is the answer for type 2 (done properly).
And don’t feel bad about pricking your finger. You obviously feel that you want to know, so you test. Ignore those (and there will be many) who tell you to stop testing so often.
Your blood sugar is always going to spike if you eat grains/carbs. Cereals/bread/pasta/flour etc. raises the blood sugar of a non-diabetic, so you have no hope. One of the highest glycemic index foods. You’re never going to be able to eat them in meaningful quantities. Nutritional ketosis is the answer for type 2 (done properly).
And don’t feel bad about pricking your finger. You obviously feel that you want to know, so you test. Ignore those (and there will be many) who tell you to stop testing so often.
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