Reversing Type 2 Diabetes
Discussion
boxst said:
I bought the Accuvue monitor in the end and have been playing. Dropped the beer and carbs and now have a waking reading of 6.8 mmol/l without medication and it doesn't go much higher than 8.0 mmol/l during the day.
I have to say I'm hungry quite a lot and it is a bit of torture to cook roast dinner for everyone and just have a piece of chicken and some carrots.
To quote an American term, It sucks doesn't it?I have to say I'm hungry quite a lot and it is a bit of torture to cook roast dinner for everyone and just have a piece of chicken and some carrots.
I've recently found out i'm T2 aswell, I love eating and drinking good food & drink so it's put a bit of a downer on my life. They've told me to control it with diet probably because medicating costs them more money which they don't have (which is fair enough).
I'll just have to adapt....
Guys, have a look through the keto diet thread in this very forum.
Living the keto lifestyle, I have got my A1c down to 33. My fasting blood glucose this morning was 5.2 and it hasn’t been any higher than 5.6 all day. I’m never hungry, and I have bags of energy.
Before ketosis I was struggling. Negotiating with carbohydrates was taking its toll, and I thought I was going to end up on insulin. Now I’m right at the point where I probably no longer need any medication at all.
Living the keto lifestyle, I have got my A1c down to 33. My fasting blood glucose this morning was 5.2 and it hasn’t been any higher than 5.6 all day. I’m never hungry, and I have bags of energy.
Before ketosis I was struggling. Negotiating with carbohydrates was taking its toll, and I thought I was going to end up on insulin. Now I’m right at the point where I probably no longer need any medication at all.
Low carb works!
Read the labels for carb content and check the guides on dietdoctor as mentioned above
Everyones different but I aim for 30-50 grams of carbs per day*
Get a meter & test before & after meals to confirm effects on blood sugar levels
Got my A1C down from 101 to 37 in 3 months from diagnosis = non diabetic levels.
Read the labels for carb content and check the guides on dietdoctor as mentioned above
Everyones different but I aim for 30-50 grams of carbs per day*
Get a meter & test before & after meals to confirm effects on blood sugar levels
Got my A1C down from 101 to 37 in 3 months from diagnosis = non diabetic levels.
- Just be wary of going too low if you are on insulin-promoting meds (ie OK if just metformin or diet only)
NDA said:
It would be interesting to hear from a medical professional about reversing T2.
I got my blood sugar levels down to 5.2 and said to the nurse that I had beaten T2. She explained that I would need to stay on Metformin as without it, those levels would go whizzing up.
From what i've gathered I think it's badly labelled, really you're controlling it.I got my blood sugar levels down to 5.2 and said to the nurse that I had beaten T2. She explained that I would need to stay on Metformin as without it, those levels would go whizzing up.
Phil. said:
My Doctor diagnosed me with Type 2 diabetes in April this year after several years monitoring my ever worsening glucose intolerance. This was despite me exercising more and losing weight using a ‘normal’ approach to dieting. He offered me Metformin and access to a NHS diet planner.
I strongly feared what Type 2 would do to me in the longer term having seen the impact on others including my father. So much to his surprise I kindly declined the Doctor’s offer and decided to research alternative approaches to managing Type 2.
I quickly came across Prof Roy Taylor at Newcastle University who has been working on reversing Type 2 or at least managing it through diet for some time. There is a link to his work below and to the notes he has produced to advise NHS Doctors who in my experience only resort to medication as the solution. This paper answers some of the questions from above about when to come off medication. It may be a good idea to share this information with your Doctor.
I followed the principles of Prof Taylor’s diet (C. 800 calories per day and less than 50mg of carbs) and within days my BS levels were normal. It’s not an easy diet to follow but it’s only for a few weeks and the results are immediate and lasting. I was tested 3 months later and my highly sceptical Doctor was overjoyed with the results and has reversed his diagnosis of Type 2, although it’s work in progress to completely reverse my glucose intolerance. I believe I will always have to be careful with the overall level of carbs in my diet meaning diet maintenance will be key to long term success.
I found the free Cronometer App invaluable for assessing and managing a low carb intake. The other thing I found to help glucose intolerance is building muscle and exercise. This doesn’t have to mean loads of gym work, mine was mainly walking and cycling. It’s important to excise whilst on the low calorie carb diet to prevent muscle wastage which can cause other complications.
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reve...
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/media/wwwnclacuk/newcastlemag...
What I find the most difficult to understand is that the NHS don’t appear to know or accept that there is very low cost alternative to managing Type 2 other than prescribing expensive medication. Why is the Government forever telling us about the massive growth in Type 2, its negative health effects and the enormous cost to society, when this doesn’t need to be the case?
When I saw the health nurse recently she advised on diet and sent me away to return in three weeks. She said it was 3 weeks because the blood cells don't change in much less than that time, this calls into question your statement that yours changed in a few days.I strongly feared what Type 2 would do to me in the longer term having seen the impact on others including my father. So much to his surprise I kindly declined the Doctor’s offer and decided to research alternative approaches to managing Type 2.
I quickly came across Prof Roy Taylor at Newcastle University who has been working on reversing Type 2 or at least managing it through diet for some time. There is a link to his work below and to the notes he has produced to advise NHS Doctors who in my experience only resort to medication as the solution. This paper answers some of the questions from above about when to come off medication. It may be a good idea to share this information with your Doctor.
I followed the principles of Prof Taylor’s diet (C. 800 calories per day and less than 50mg of carbs) and within days my BS levels were normal. It’s not an easy diet to follow but it’s only for a few weeks and the results are immediate and lasting. I was tested 3 months later and my highly sceptical Doctor was overjoyed with the results and has reversed his diagnosis of Type 2, although it’s work in progress to completely reverse my glucose intolerance. I believe I will always have to be careful with the overall level of carbs in my diet meaning diet maintenance will be key to long term success.
I found the free Cronometer App invaluable for assessing and managing a low carb intake. The other thing I found to help glucose intolerance is building muscle and exercise. This doesn’t have to mean loads of gym work, mine was mainly walking and cycling. It’s important to excise whilst on the low calorie carb diet to prevent muscle wastage which can cause other complications.
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reve...
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/media/wwwnclacuk/newcastlemag...
What I find the most difficult to understand is that the NHS don’t appear to know or accept that there is very low cost alternative to managing Type 2 other than prescribing expensive medication. Why is the Government forever telling us about the massive growth in Type 2, its negative health effects and the enormous cost to society, when this doesn’t need to be the case?
Also, no medication has been mentioned at all, it seems (initially) purely on my head to make the changes with their help.
I'm guessing if things don't change then i'll be given medication.
I've also been told to go visit Diabetic Desmond too: http://www.desmond-project.org.uk/
The way you are treated is very much dependent on where you live....
227bhp said:
NDA said:
It would be interesting to hear from a medical professional about reversing T2.
I got my blood sugar levels down to 5.2 and said to the nurse that I had beaten T2. She explained that I would need to stay on Metformin as without it, those levels would go whizzing up.
From what i've gathered I think it's badly labelled, really you're controlling it.I got my blood sugar levels down to 5.2 and said to the nurse that I had beaten T2. She explained that I would need to stay on Metformin as without it, those levels would go whizzing up.
He means the disease is controlled, through any combination of diet, exercise and drugs. This is an achievement, and someone could fairly be described as having beaten diabetes, but curing it is a whole different ball game.
In other words put me in a room with a cured diabetic, a box of doughnuts and a blood glucose monitor
In other words put me in a room with a cured diabetic, a box of doughnuts and a blood glucose monitor
Its still a massive con lads - some people genuinely need assistance. The new 5 strains reinforces the point as they can prescribe different drugs between each level / type.
Been off metformin for over a year - its very easy to control as long as you exercise which burns off the nasties you consume. Its not this big scary thing they make out.
Been off metformin for over a year - its very easy to control as long as you exercise which burns off the nasties you consume. Its not this big scary thing they make out.
NDA said:
227bhp said:
NDA said:
It would be interesting to hear from a medical professional about reversing T2.
I got my blood sugar levels down to 5.2 and said to the nurse that I had beaten T2. She explained that I would need to stay on Metformin as without it, those levels would go whizzing up.
From what i've gathered I think it's badly labelled, really you're controlling it.I got my blood sugar levels down to 5.2 and said to the nurse that I had beaten T2. She explained that I would need to stay on Metformin as without it, those levels would go whizzing up.
I think we can liken it to alcoholism can't we? You'll always be an alcoholic, you just control it by not drinking.
227bhp said:
boxst said:
I bought the Accuvue monitor in the end and have been playing. Dropped the beer and carbs and now have a waking reading of 6.8 mmol/l without medication and it doesn't go much higher than 8.0 mmol/l during the day.
I have to say I'm hungry quite a lot and it is a bit of torture to cook roast dinner for everyone and just have a piece of chicken and some carrots.
To quote an American term, It sucks doesn't it?I have to say I'm hungry quite a lot and it is a bit of torture to cook roast dinner for everyone and just have a piece of chicken and some carrots.
I've recently found out i'm T2 aswell, I love eating and drinking good food & drink so it's put a bit of a downer on my life. They've told me to control it with diet probably because medicating costs them more money which they don't have (which is fair enough).
I'll just have to adapt....
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When my Dad was diagnosed with Type 2 he was told by the doctor that he basically couldn't eat or drink anything he enjoyed ever again. Naturally, he was pretty miserable at the prospect but it didn't last long.
Along with taking up walking/running to lose weight, I convinced my Dad to take up Intermittent Fasting as a permanent lifestyle solution to restore insulin sensitivity. Having lost 3 stone he is no longer diabetic and is not dependent on any drugs. He drinks like a fish and still indulges his sweet tooth yet his blood sugar levels are completely normal. He does, however, do a fast day with no food once a week and generally avoids eating early in the day.
The effects of fasting are profound and it is so easily adapted to. I find it shocking that IF is not included as part of the standard medical advice dished out to Type 2 sufferers. There is no need to be reliant on drugs for the rest of your days - you just need to skip Breakfast (and lunch ideally)!
Along with taking up walking/running to lose weight, I convinced my Dad to take up Intermittent Fasting as a permanent lifestyle solution to restore insulin sensitivity. Having lost 3 stone he is no longer diabetic and is not dependent on any drugs. He drinks like a fish and still indulges his sweet tooth yet his blood sugar levels are completely normal. He does, however, do a fast day with no food once a week and generally avoids eating early in the day.
The effects of fasting are profound and it is so easily adapted to. I find it shocking that IF is not included as part of the standard medical advice dished out to Type 2 sufferers. There is no need to be reliant on drugs for the rest of your days - you just need to skip Breakfast (and lunch ideally)!
Kenny Powers said:
A lot of type 2 sufferers find thier liver dumping glucose into their blood if they fast, so that’s not necessarily the best all round advice?
I reckon the main piece of advice for managing diabetes is remembering that what works for you doesn’t necessarily work for the next person
A lot = A few. Wheres the evidence? I reckon the main piece of advice for managing diabetes is remembering that what works for you doesn’t necessarily work for the next person
My Dr recommended it and the links I posted above.
Some of them care rather than dishing out smarties for fun.
Just noticed this on Groupon, seems like a great deal to keep an eye on your blood glucose levels before and after meals etc. As mentioned by others, everyone’s body reacts differently to different foods and meal skipping:
https://www.groupon.co.uk/deals/blood-glucose-comp...
https://www.groupon.co.uk/deals/blood-glucose-comp...
PWeston said:
When my Dad was diagnosed with Type 2 he was told by the doctor that he basically couldn't eat or drink anything he enjoyed ever again. Naturally, he was pretty miserable at the prospect but it didn't last long.
Along with taking up walking/running to lose weight, I convinced my Dad to take up Intermittent Fasting as a permanent lifestyle solution to restore insulin sensitivity. Having lost 3 stone he is no longer diabetic and is not dependent on any drugs. He drinks like a fish and still indulges his sweet tooth yet his blood sugar levels are completely normal. He does, however, do a fast day with no food once a week and generally avoids eating early in the day.
The effects of fasting are profound and it is so easily adapted to. I find it shocking that IF is not included as part of the standard medical advice dished out to Type 2 sufferers. There is no need to be reliant on drugs for the rest of your days - you just need to skip Breakfast (and lunch ideally)!
T2 is in essence a self-inflicted lifestyle disease.Along with taking up walking/running to lose weight, I convinced my Dad to take up Intermittent Fasting as a permanent lifestyle solution to restore insulin sensitivity. Having lost 3 stone he is no longer diabetic and is not dependent on any drugs. He drinks like a fish and still indulges his sweet tooth yet his blood sugar levels are completely normal. He does, however, do a fast day with no food once a week and generally avoids eating early in the day.
The effects of fasting are profound and it is so easily adapted to. I find it shocking that IF is not included as part of the standard medical advice dished out to Type 2 sufferers. There is no need to be reliant on drugs for the rest of your days - you just need to skip Breakfast (and lunch ideally)!
Regular fasting isn't exactly going to be top on the list of lifestyle choices for the average sufferer.
Good on your dad though. Top effort & shows that with willpower you can cut through a hell of a lot of bulls
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