Pre Diabetic - what to do

[Evoluzione]

Oakey said:

So the pasta my mrs is currently making is to go straight in the bin?

Basically yes, If you don't want to lose a foot or two or your vision. Do the Webinar you mentioned.
I won't pretend to like my new diet, but it's life from now on, we have to eat like cavemen did or chimps. I am lucky in that my OH does Keto which is more or less the same thing so she cooks healthy meals for both of us.
A high percentage of your diet (lets say 80 - 90%) now has to be grain free. Also very low amounts of sugary fruit and below ground veg - yes, even veg is in two categories, below ground (bad), above ground, good.
Now tell me which one would you prefer to eat? 9/10 would say veg grown below ground, think about that then it all starts to make sense.

If you have a strict diet for most of the time, then you can treat yourself to some of the bad stuff. Yes that's right, pasta and potatoes are now considered 'a treat'.

[Oakey]

Jesus christ.

So brocoli and cauliflower are okay but carrots are out?

Do you have any recommendations or is it just cardboard from now on?

[Phil.]

Vasco said:

Phil. said:

Vasco said:

Just try to keep it factual, without the occasional abuse of those who express different views, and you'll probably take more people along with your (helpful) comments.

Thanks dad. I feel for your kids

Ah, a bit more abuse. You really can't stop yourself can you.
Seems that you may need medical help for not just diabetes.

It seems you have a thing for me on several threads. A bit of advice for you. If you stopped your personalised condescending and annoying responses and offered more objective/informative responses, you might get a bit less abuse back.

[Phil.]

Oakey said:

Jesus christ.

So brocoli and cauliflower are okay but carrots are out?

Do you have any recommendations or is it just cardboard from now on?

It's about moderation when it comes to veg. Generally if its a root vegetable then its higher in carbs. You don't have to cut them out completely just max out on the others.

Fruit, and especially fruit juice, is the real disaster area for controlling glucose because they are full of fructose which is one of the worst kinds of sugar.

This is a good veg visual:

https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/keto/vegetable...

[Sticks.]

Phil. said:

Fruit, and especially fruit juice, is the real disaster area for controlling glucose because they are full of fructose which is one of the worst kinds of sugar.

I thought it was because all the fibre has (obviously) been removed thus making it high GI rather than low GI. Similar to refined grains vs whole grains.

[Vasco]

Phil. said:

Vasco said:

Phil. said:

Vasco said:

Just try to keep it factual, without the occasional abuse of those who express different views, and you'll probably take more people along with your (helpful) comments.

Thanks dad. I feel for your kids

Ah, a bit more abuse. You really can't stop yourself can you.
Seems that you may need medical help for not just diabetes.

It seems you have a thing for me on several threads. A bit of advice for you. If you stopped your personalised condescending and annoying responses and offered more objective/informative responses, you might get a bit less abuse back.

It's not the abuse you direct at me that I was referring to. I'm accustomed to ignoring much of your silliness.
Good attempt at deflection though !

I'll give up with this thread as it seems to be the only way to stop you erupting.

[Evoluzione]

Oakey said:

Jesus christ.

So broccoli and cauliflower are okay but carrots are out?

Do you have any recommendations or is it just cardboard from now on?

I remember when the diabetic nurse told me I could have a biscuit at the end of the week for a 'treat'.

I though fking hell, you make me sound like some sort of fking performing dog

Carrots, potatoes and Parsnips are our favourite veg because they taste good, they taste good because they're high carb and sweet (in comparison).

Nothing is 'out', it's all about percentages and quantities.

You'll also start looking at your family - mother, father, grandparents to see who else was/is T2D. They may not be, but it can be hereditary so then you'll start thinking about your kids diets too.
It'll help a lot if you can get your family on board with you, particularly your wife if she cooks.

[Phil.]

Vasco said:

It's not the abuse you direct at me that I was referring to. I'm accustomed to ignoring much of your silliness.
Good attempt at deflection though !

I'll give up with this thread as it seems to be the only way to stop you erupting.

Good, because you are not contributing anything worthwhile.

[Phil.]

Sticks. said:

Phil. said:

Fruit, and especially fruit juice, is the real disaster area for controlling glucose because they are full of fructose which is one of the worst kinds of sugar.

I thought it was because all the fibre has (obviously) been removed thus making it high GI rather than low GI. Similar to refined grains vs whole grains.

Both fruit and fruit juice is high in fructose. Fruit juice more so because without the fibre it’s more concentrated. Obviously some fruits are better than other, berries for example. Lots of charts out there.

[MC Bodge]

didelydoo said:

Phil. said:

I’ve been living with insulin resistance for years. It’s not fun and if I get it wrong then I die early. Simple as that.

Out of interest, do you exercise every day, and get plenty fibre in your diet? And are you a reasonable BMI?

I'd suggest:

No
No
No

?

[Sticks.]

Evoluzione said:

I remember when the diabetic nurse told me I could have a biscuit at the end of the week for a 'treat'.

I though fking hell, you make me sound like some sort of fking performing dog

Carrots, potatoes and Parsnips are our favourite veg because they taste good, they taste good because they're high carb and sweet (in comparison).

Nothing is 'out', it's all about percentages and quantities.

You'll also start looking at your family - mother, father, grandparents to see who else was/is T2D. They may not be, but it can be hereditary so then you'll start thinking about your kids diets too.
It'll help a lot if you can get your family on board with you, particularly your wife if she cooks.

That nurse sounds like she's not really thought about helping you view your diet in a positive way. Biscuits still represented as something good after all you've suffered all week, as it were.

I'd have thought it would help if you (one) were encouraged to enjoy all the things which are good for you, rather than thinking of them as a necessary regime and then stop wanting biscuits/cake or whatever it is because it takes you away from where or who you want to be. If you can do that your diet becomes something you enjoy rather than endure.

I'm saying this to myself as much as anything, not being sanctimonious.

[PurplePangolin]

Oakey said:

It wasn't a fasting blood test.

My GP surgery just called to make an appointment with me for the nurse to discuss the test results, I mentioned the letter and she asked if it came from a third party as she said other people had mentioned receiving it. I said it was all NHS branded no mention of a third party but she seemed adamant it hadn't come from them.

Anyway, she said it's unlikely to be serious as they'd be calling me in immediately and I'd be better speaking to the nurse rather than my GP (so that appt has been cancelled). It'll be the 17th now before I know any more.

I think it needs to be fasting otherwise all sorts of things can affect the levels - blood glucose meters are inexpensive off Amazon if you want to track the levels for a while

[Evoluzione]

Sticks. said:

That nurse sounds like she's not really thought about helping you view your diet in a positive way. Biscuits still represented as something good after all you've suffered all week, as it were.

I'd have thought it would help if you (one) were encouraged to enjoy all the things which are good for you, rather than thinking of them as a necessary regime and then stop wanting biscuits/cake or whatever it is because it takes you away from where or who you want to be. If you can do that your diet becomes something you enjoy rather than endure.

I'm saying this to myself as much as anything, not being sanctimonious.

Hmmm, psychology.
It would cost a lot of money to try and change how I feel about a cabbage in comparison to a big bag of crisps.

[Sticks.]

Evoluzione said:

Hmmm, psychology.
It would cost a lot of money to try and change how I feel about a cabbage in comparison to a big bag of crisps.

point taken. For me Broccoli is the devil's work. You'd be surprised I think though. I used to eat too many crisps but stopped buying them and don't miss them. Well, not enough to be arsed to go out and get some

[Evoluzione]

Sticks. said:

Evoluzione said:

Hmmm, psychology.
It would cost a lot of money to try and change how I feel about a cabbage in comparison to a big bag of crisps.

point taken. For me Broccoli is the devil's work. You'd be surprised I think though. I used to eat too many crisps but stopped buying them and don't miss them. Well, not enough to be arsed to go out and get some

I'm no newcomer to this
Broccoli beats cabbage any day, I find veg is ok as long as it's disguised or blathered in something, same as my daily salad with dressing. I think i've something wrong nasally though and my sense of taste is poor.
I view it like alcoholism, it's always there, I always want it. I was never massively into sweet things, but do love savoury.
I fall off the waggon now and again and briefly. That to me is going and stuffing my face with Ferrero Rocher or crisps for a while, heaven, always will be.

[Oakey]

PurplePangolin said:

I think it needs to be fasting otherwise all sorts of things can affect the levels - blood glucose meters are inexpensive off Amazon if you want to track the levels for a while

Ordered one yesterday, it was here when I got home

Is this promising then?

[mike9009]

PurplePangolin said:

Oakey said:

It wasn't a fasting blood test.

My GP surgery just called to make an appointment with me for the nurse to discuss the test results, I mentioned the letter and she asked if it came from a third party as she said other people had mentioned receiving it. I said it was all NHS branded no mention of a third party but she seemed adamant it hadn't come from them.

Anyway, she said it's unlikely to be serious as they'd be calling me in immediately and I'd be better speaking to the nurse rather than my GP (so that appt has been cancelled). It'll be the 17th now before I know any more.

I think it needs to be fasting otherwise all sorts of things can affect the levels - blood glucose meters are inexpensive off Amazon if you want to track the levels for a while

I've never had a fasting blood test for HBA1C. Cholesterol, yes it is fasting.

[mike9009]

Oakey said:

Ordered one yesterday, it was here when I got home

Is this promising then?

When was the last time you ate something? 6.2 is a little high but not abnormal for you normal people. After eating your blood sugar will rise....as the insulin kicks into action. Even for a healthy normal person.....

See attached a plot of my last 24 hours blood sugar. I am a T1 so slightly different. Ps I only get 100% in target once in a blue moon.....

[Phil.]

mike9009 said:

When was the last time you ate something? 6.2 is a little high but not abnormal for you normal people. After eating your blood sugar will rise....as the insulin kicks into action. Even for a healthy normal person.....

See attached a plot of my last 24 hours blood sugar. I am a T1 so slightly different. Ps I only get 100% in target once in a blue moon.....

That looks pretty well controlled Mike.

I tend to fast overnight and until midday ish and my sugars rise too after I wake up. I’ve tried eating a little fat-based something on waking but it doesn’t make much difference. Same with exercising in the morning, still peaks and then eventually drops.

[Oakey]

Last ate around 1pm.

I've just found the little indicator card that comes with it, 6.2 is in the normal range whereas 7.1 to 10.00 are 'borderline' and 10.1 - 13.8 is 'high'., Everything over that is 'dangerous'.

Where does the HbA1c result of 42 fit in to this? If this result is 6.2mmol/L, what is 42 of?