Pre Diabetic - what to do

[Evoluzione]

mikiec said:

Evoluzione said:

Calories aren't an issue.
They aren't pure sugar either. As the chap above says sugars and alcohol are complex. Complex is actually the key word, complex sugars and carbs are T2 friendly.

T2 diabetes is largely an obesity related problem, that would make calories an issue.

No it isn't, think again. You can go into T2 for a variety of reasons.

[mikiec]

Evoluzione said:

No it isn't, think again. You can go into T2 for a variety of reasons.

“In fact, obesity is believed to account for 80-85% of the risk of developing type 2 diabetes, while recent research suggests that obese people are up to 80 times more likely to develop type 2 diabetes than those with a BMI of less than 22.”

That’s from diabetes.co.uk

Really think calories don’t matter???

[Evoluzione]

mikiec said:

Evoluzione said:

No it isn't, think again. You can go into T2 for a variety of reasons.

“In fact, obesity is believed to account for 80-85% of the risk of developing type 2 diabetes, while recent research suggests that obese people are up to 80 times more likely to develop type 2 diabetes than those with a BMI of less than 22.”

That’s from diabetes.co.uk

Really think calories don’t matter???

I didn't say they didn't matter, you constantly backtrack and change your reasoning when challenged.

I know plenty of large people who are not T2, lots of people who have terrible beige diets too and are not. You can easily be skinny and have T2D. There are a variety of reasons like:

Hereditary
Ethnicity
Age
High blood pressure
Etc.

You seem to think life is black and white, it certainly isn't.

[Welshbeef]

VR99 said:

For those of you who have reduced or even fully cut out starchy carbs, how did you find a happy medium?

WFH has been really sh*t on my fitness and weight, lot of my previous self control ( never great to be honest!) went out the window, long work hours and sleep deprivation (self inflicted due to phone/netflix etc) haven't helped.

Many years back I experimented with significantly reducing carbs...it worked but was too extreme and had a 'PoW' look to my face, v gaunt and went from looking fat to 'skinny fat' as the extreme reduction in both carbs and also daily calories lost me muscle too. In hindsight realise I went far too low on calories.
Not sure what to substitute carbs with? Not keen on simply swapping in fried or fatty foods as 'fillers'. Obviously Avacado is fine for example but I have a slight lactose intolerance so chugging loads of extra dairy to satiate myself won't be a viable option either.

WFH has actually made me walk a vast amount more than ever before.


Weight control is key for so many things. And if you are over weight or always have been it is so so hard to drop down - those who bleat it’s easy it isn’t. Eating too much is an addiction and an extremely hard one to beat/control.
Anyone who says different is living in cloud cookcoo land.

No one wants to be fat / overweight etc. Everyone would love to have the perfect body - yet most don’t and so many are carrying a little to a huge amount of timbre.

Helping people cut down would save the NHS a fortune and would benefit all. So stop cake days in the office of sweets etc. If you are fit lean and healthy why not take it on yourself to help someone who isn’t, that’s a huge gift you’d be giving them and they would really respect it.

[mikiec]

Evoluzione said:

I didn't say they didn't matter, you constantly backtrack and change your reasoning when challenged.

I know plenty of large people who are not T2, lots of people who have terrible beige diets too and are not. You can easily be skinny and have T2D. There are a variety of reasons like:

Hereditary
Ethnicity
Age
High blood pressure
Etc.

You seem to think life is black and white, it certainly isn't.

You seem to misunderstand statistics, it’s pretty easy to point out outliers. I could easily reference the numerous stories of people putting T2 into remission by lifestyle and diet change.

So far your points seem to be if you are T2 don’t worry about alcohol or calories. What’s your recommendation, hug it out?

To the threadstarter good luck with your battle, I’m out.

[VR99]

Welshbeef said:

Weight control is key for so many things. And if you are over weight or always have been it is so so hard to drop down - those who bleat it’s easy it isn’t. Eating too much is an addiction and an extremely hard one to beat/control.
Anyone who says different is living in cloud cookcoo land.

Agreed. It's bl**dy hard to maintain consistency, at least it is for me and don't think I've ever fully rectified my eating habits...e.g: gorging on crisps and other savoury snacks. I went through a good period in my early - mid 30's ,lifting 3 times per week combined with a average diet was able to find a happy medium but with age need to tighten it up as the body becomes less forgiving and metabolism slowdown etc

[Welshbeef]

VR99 said:

Agreed. It's bl**dy hard to maintain consistency, at least it is for me and don't think I've ever fully rectified my eating habits...e.g: gorging on crisps and other savoury snacks. I went through a good period in my early - mid 30's ,lifting 3 times per week combined with a average diet was able to find a happy medium but with age need to tighten it up as the body becomes less forgiving and metabolism slowdown etc

And worst of all I’d say is (even if purely friendly) any piss taking is utterly unhelpful and makes the situation worse.

I think telling people you are trying to reduce weight might help reduce cakes in the office or piss take or xyz - instead actual help & encouragement.

Years ago I recall there was one bloke in the office he was big apparently always had been. Anyway he hadn’t had any luck with the ladies (whatsoever) and was late 20’s so he went to the local measure centre but didn’t have a clue on what to do and didn’t really have the funds for personal trainer. He did however spot one of the office girls there working out (yes a very hotty as it happens). Somehow she started to guide him / help him out. He went there all the time and the huge weight dropped away.
He was really happy and as far as I know he still goes, the only downside is excess skin which is very evident with whatever he has worn to the office. I’ve no idea what or if there is a solution for this but what he has done already has without question benefitted his health (I’ve no idea if he got with a lady or not though)

[Vasco]

Evoluzione said:

mikiec said:

Evoluzione said:

No it isn't, think again. You can go into T2 for a variety of reasons.

“In fact, obesity is believed to account for 80-85% of the risk of developing type 2 diabetes, while recent research suggests that obese people are up to 80 times more likely to develop type 2 diabetes than those with a BMI of less than 22.”

That’s from diabetes.co.uk

Really think calories don’t matter???

I didn't say they didn't matter, you constantly backtrack and change your reasoning when challenged.

I know plenty of large people who are not T2, lots of people who have terrible beige diets too and are not. You can easily be skinny and have T2D. There are a variety of reasons like:

Hereditary
Ethnicity
Age
High blood pressure
Etc.

You seem to think life is black and white, it certainly isn't.

You're confusing a lot of people who just want some help and clarity. Life may not be 100% black and white but isn't T2 *mostly* an issue of fat/obesity.?

[Phil.]

Evoluzione said:

mikiec said:

Evoluzione said:

Calories aren't an issue.
They aren't pure sugar either. As the chap above says sugars and alcohol are complex. Complex is actually the key word, complex sugars and carbs are T2 friendly.

T2 diabetes is largely an obesity related problem, that would make calories an issue.

No it isn't, think again. You can go into T2 for a variety of reasons.

T2 is all about insulin resistance which develops over many years (unknown to the individual) and often results in obesity. Insulin resistance is the cause of all the illnesses related to T2. T2 is simply a diagnosis of advanced insulin resistance. If obese and T2, then losing weight will often reverse the T2 diagnosis. However, if obese and T2 then carb reduction is essential to lose weight due to the insulin resistance. Google it, it’s enlightening.

[Welshbeef]

Phil. said:

T2 is all about insulin resistance which develops over many years (unknown to the individual) and often results in obesity. Insulin resistance is the cause of all the illnesses related to T2. T2 is simply a diagnosis of advanced insulin resistance. If obese and T2, then losing weight will often reverse the T2 diagnosis. However, if obese and T2 then carb reduction is essential to lose weight due to the insulin resistance. Google it, it’s enlightening.

Isn’t another symptom that you get pins and needles frequently in the morning in your feet?

[Phil.]

Welshbeef said:

Phil. said:

T2 is all about insulin resistance which develops over many years (unknown to the individual) and often results in obesity. Insulin resistance is the cause of all the illnesses related to T2. T2 is simply a diagnosis of advanced insulin resistance. If obese and T2, then losing weight will often reverse the T2 diagnosis. However, if obese and T2 then carb reduction is essential to lose weight due to the insulin resistance. Google it, it’s enlightening.

Isn’t another symptom that you get pins and needles frequently in the morning in your feet?

There are various symptoms of advanced insulin resistance (T2) including skin conditions, weight loss or gain, lethargy etc. If concerned then ask your doctor for a HbA1c blood test.

[Evoluzione]

Welshbeef said:

Phil. said:

T2 is all about insulin resistance which develops over many years (unknown to the individual) and often results in obesity. Insulin resistance is the cause of all the illnesses related to T2. T2 is simply a diagnosis of advanced insulin resistance. If obese and T2, then losing weight will often reverse the T2 diagnosis. However, if obese and T2 then carb reduction is essential to lose weight due to the insulin resistance. Google it, it’s enlightening.

Isn’t another symptom that you get pins and needles frequently in the morning in your feet?

If you've got that then it's time to be very worried.
They ask me that at my yearly check ups, they then do a touch test under my feet to test I can still feel.

[Evoluzione]

Vasco said:

Evoluzione said:

mikiec said:

Evoluzione said:

No it isn't, think again. You can go into T2 for a variety of reasons.

“In fact, obesity is believed to account for 80-85% of the risk of developing type 2 diabetes, while recent research suggests that obese people are up to 80 times more likely to develop type 2 diabetes than those with a BMI of less than 22.”

That’s from diabetes.co.uk

Really think calories don’t matter???

I didn't say they didn't matter, you constantly backtrack and change your reasoning when challenged.

I know plenty of large people who are not T2, lots of people who have terrible beige diets too and are not. You can easily be skinny and have T2D. There are a variety of reasons like:

Hereditary
Ethnicity
Age
High blood pressure
Etc.

You seem to think life is black and white, it certainly isn't.

You're confusing a lot of people who just want some help and clarity. Life may not be 100% black and white but isn't T2 *mostly* an issue of fat/obesity.?

It's human nature to want to simplify, label and pigeon-hole things to make them easier to handle. I'm just saying that the causes are not black and white at all. When I was first diagnosed as said earlier I got sent on a day course. I was also told it wasn't necessarily my fault and that you get there by any one or a collection of factors. It's hereditary for example.

To rewind here it was said in a blanket statement that alcohol contains sugar, it does not. It's far more complicated than that and if you want a G&T then have one and don't feel bad about it.

It's up to you as an individual to find the right balance of foods, drinks, exercise and enjoyment of life. You'll have a yearly checkup and discussion which will show you if you're on the right tracks or not, so adjust accordingly.

[Vasco]

Evoluzione said:

Vasco said:

Evoluzione said:

mikiec said:

Evoluzione said:

No it isn't, think again. You can go into T2 for a variety of reasons.

“In fact, obesity is believed to account for 80-85% of the risk of developing type 2 diabetes, while recent research suggests that obese people are up to 80 times more likely to develop type 2 diabetes than those with a BMI of less than 22.”

That’s from diabetes.co.uk

Really think calories don’t matter???

I didn't say they didn't matter, you constantly backtrack and change your reasoning when challenged.

I know plenty of large people who are not T2, lots of people who have terrible beige diets too and are not. You can easily be skinny and have T2D. There are a variety of reasons like:

Hereditary
Ethnicity
Age
High blood pressure
Etc.

You seem to think life is black and white, it certainly isn't.

You're confusing a lot of people who just want some help and clarity. Life may not be 100% black and white but isn't T2 *mostly* an issue of fat/obesity.?

It's human nature to want to simplify, label and pigeon-hole things to make them easier to handle. I'm just saying that the causes are not black and white at all. When I was first diagnosed as said earlier I got sent on a day course. I was also told it wasn't necessarily my fault and that you get there by any one or a collection of factors. It's hereditary for example.

To rewind here it was said in a blanket statement that alcohol contains sugar, it does not. It's far more complicated than that and if you want a G&T then have one and don't feel bad about it.

It's up to you as an individual to find the right balance of foods, drinks, exercise and enjoyment of life. You'll have a yearly checkup and discussion which will show you if you're on the right tracks or not, so adjust accordingly.

You're only repeating yourself. Let's just leave it that being obese increases your risk of diabetes T2 by a significant amount.

[Phil.]

Vasco said:

You're only repeating yourself. Let's just leave it that being obese increases your risk of diabetes T2 by a significant amount.

[didelydoo]

Being less fat and more active are the main things to sort out with a diagnosis of T2. Sort out a stty diet and don’t be sedentary. That’s what got you where you are, by what ever mechanism you care to prescribe to.

Sorting one without the other is just a waste of time. As I’ve mentioned loads, being fit and healthy is a life style. However you spin it- People get prediabetic/T2 because of an unhealthy lifestyle (on all but the oddball cases)

Change your lifestyle, be fit, eat sensibly - be healthy.

[Mr Whippy]

Phil. said:

Vasco said:

You're only repeating yourself. Let's just leave it that being obese increases your risk of diabetes T2 by a significant amount.

I don’t get it.

Being fat or obese is a bad thing full stop.

If it’s not diabetes it’s your joints. Blood pressure. Heart disease. God knows what else has risk factors going up.

Even covid19.

You’re a burden on yourself, your family and society generally.


And I don’t blame individuals.
I blame government and financialisation of everything, the failure of the family unit and no one cooking healthy wholesome foods every day for the entire family.
Lazing around watching telly because of the destruction of community and making every urban area a st hole through crappy planning policy.


The fix is to take ownership of your health because sadly no one else gives a crap any more... and it’s good business to have people eating high margin dogst food, lazing around watching high margin consumerist agenda TV, and paying high taxes to have their health maladies looked after with a lifetime of drugs, rather than fixed with real help.

Instead eat well, get out and enjoy being alive, meeting other people and being social and feeling better about yourself and not resorting to eating ‘snacks’ made of all the worst stuff for you while sat alone or silent with others watching tv.


Sorry for the rant. But we don’t need rolleyes. This isn’t a joke, or needing minimalising. It’s serious and it’s costing us all in myriad ways.

[Phil.]

Mr Whippy said:

I don’t get it.

<followed by ranting waffle>

Sorry for the rant. But we don’t need rolleyes. This isn’t a joke, or needing minimalising. It’s serious and it’s costing us all in myriad ways.

Unfortunately as usual Vasco is spouting generalised ste about something he knows little about.

You don’t have to tell me that insulin resistance (T2) isn’t a joke, I’ve been living with it and managing it myself for years without medication. My father died very early due to complications caused by insulin resistance that he never knew he had until it was too late. This is still the case for many people today.

If only the NHS would focus on detecting and reversing the cause of insulin resistance early through diet and exercise rather than detecting the problem late and then using medication to mask the issue which only leads to more serious and expensive medical intervention, we would all be much healthier and it would society cost much less in so many ways.

As I mentioned in a post earlier today, try researching insulin resistance and the complexities associated with it. Here’s a very simply video to get you started.

https://youtu.be/9A7Dkb1jb-E

[Vasco]

Phil. said:

Mr Whippy said:

I don’t get it.

<followed by ranting waffle>

Sorry for the rant. But we don’t need rolleyes. This isn’t a joke, or needing minimalising. It’s serious and it’s costing us all in myriad ways.

Unfortunately as usual Vasco is spouting generalised ste about something he knows little about.

You don’t have to tell me that insulin resistance (T2) isn’t a joke, I’ve been living with it and managing it myself for years without medication. My father died very early due to complications caused by insulin resistance that he never knew he had until it was too late. This is still the case for many people today.

If only the NHS would focus on detecting and reversing the cause of insulin resistance early through diet and exercise rather than detecting the problem late and then using medication to mask the issue which only leads to more serious and expensive medical intervention, we would all be much healthier and it would society cost much less in so many ways.

As I mentioned in a post earlier today, try researching insulin resistance and the complexities associated with it. Here’s a very simply video to get you started.

https://youtu.be/9A7Dkb1jb-E

Thank you for rubbishing my comment.....

Are you suggesting that obesity isn't a significant factor ?

It's all very well you highlighting concern about insulin resistance but many of us have been trying to keep it basic and simple - so that others have a better idea of what they could do to help themselves.
Unfortunately, you're just making it a more difficult issue for some to understand.

[Phil.]

Vasco said:

Thank you for rubbishing my comment.....

Are you suggesting that obesity isn't a significant factor ?

It's all very well you highlighting concern about insulin resistance but many of us have been trying to keep it basic and simple - so that others have a better idea of what they could do to help themselves.
Unfortunately, you're just making it a more difficult issue for some to understand.

How ironic that you think this is a simple subject that should be kept simple, yet the two people (so far) on this discussion dealing with insulin resistance (T2) think it shouldn’t be simplified and is in fact a complex issue! Who would you tend to side with, the uniformed or those who have to take daily decisions that directly affect their long term health?

I didn’t know about insulin resistance when I was first diagnosed and neither did my GP! He did though after I educated him with some research published by Prof Roy Taylor of Newcastle university, who at the time was a leader in reversing T2 through diet. Since then there has been a lot more research and I’m still learning new stuff. My GP eventually changed how he advised people with T2. Checkout Dr David Unwin who is the leading UK GP for T2 reversal. His practice spends £50k pa less per year on average on T2 medications with lots of patients reversing their T2 diagnosis.

Unless people understand the impact of the decisions they take (which are complex) they won’t take the right ones, and that’s before considering the emotional and mental impact of such a diagnosis (or life sentence as some see it).

So please take your patronising ignorance elsewhere or expect it to be rubbished.