Building muscle in your 40s
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Legacywr said:
TheJimi said:
Legacywr said:
He was one of the genuinely good guys in an industry chock full of charlatans, imo.
But of course, they’re all on it…
He was pretty transparent about his PED use.
popeyewhite said:
Stallone was convicted in 2007 of importing GH into Australia. Some say GH is the way to stay young for longer, rather than test. I think probably anyone with decent lean mass in their 70s who looks in their 60s is on GH as anabolic androgenic steroids actually make you look older... .
Yes - I remember, I think he was filming Rambo 4, a film in which you can obviously see he's on all the gear. I think, as well as looking rough and the myriad of health issues associated with steroids, and whilst the link to prostate cancer and testosterone/steroids is less certain than it once was, that needs to be a consideration as well.
I was researching GH this morning since you mentioned it. You are absolutely correct in what you say about it being rife for celebrities and those who have the cash. The side of effects of permanently enlarged hands and feet I find somewhat hilarious as well. Looks a remarkable alternative to steroids, if you have the cash to do it safely.
Legacywr said:
He’s also where I got my much maligned training method from 
Jeff's quite good until he ventures outside his sphere of knowledge, which is pretty extensive but doesn't really cover calisthenics or advanced abs exercises.. or some training protocols. But I'm a picky so and so, and like a couple of others that occasionally post I've been in the game longer Wills2 said:
biggbn said:
Wills2 said:
Carrying from the Mentzer vignette, I took 5 days off as I'd been training quite bit for the last 6 weeks, went back in today to do shoulders and remembered to do those partials when you run out of full ROM steam, but the lack of a partner did show itself on shoulder press as you can't do them alone, although as I was in the smith machine I could have set the bar above that failure point and carried on so I'll try that next time.
That's how I'm training just now. It has made me really sore this week but then, ive hardly tained in the last few months. Ive got bloody parkrun tomorrow as well, but needs must! Edited by biggbn on Friday 7th July 20:19
Legacywr said:
No, I’d say Jeff was clean, and (probably) as big as you’ll get naturally.
He’s also where I got my much maligned training method from
Going back to another earlier argument, he’ll also tell you that resting too long between sets will hurt your gains in growth.
Whereas Mentzer/Yates etc will say the exact opposite. The more I ponder this, the clearer it becomes. Although we all may be very similar in our physical make up, and almost any 'programme' will bring some sort of gains for anyone, we are all different mentally and so the key is to find a programme that you 'enjoy' and can stick to for long enough to see the gains it promises. Some people enjoy cardio/high rep training and it does what it says on the tin, others prefer lower reps, bigger weights and yet others mix it up. THEY WILL ALL WORK. Buildinguscle and strength is simply a reaction to putting your system under stress, so find programme you enjoy and stick to it. He’s also where I got my much maligned training method from
Going back to another earlier argument, he’ll also tell you that resting too long between sets will hurt your gains in growth.
Edited by biggbn on Monday 10th July 16:54
biggbn said:
Wills2 said:
biggbn said:
Wills2 said:
Carrying from the Mentzer vignette, I took 5 days off as I'd been training quite bit for the last 6 weeks, went back in today to do shoulders and remembered to do those partials when you run out of full ROM steam, but the lack of a partner did show itself on shoulder press as you can't do them alone, although as I was in the smith machine I could have set the bar above that failure point and carried on so I'll try that next time.
That's how I'm training just now. It has made me really sore this week but then, ive hardly tained in the last few months. Ive got bloody parkrun tomorrow as well, but needs must! Edited by biggbn on Friday 7th July 20:19
Wills2 said:
biggbn said:
Wills2 said:
biggbn said:
Wills2 said:
Carrying from the Mentzer vignette, I took 5 days off as I'd been training quite bit for the last 6 weeks, went back in today to do shoulders and remembered to do those partials when you run out of full ROM steam, but the lack of a partner did show itself on shoulder press as you can't do them alone, although as I was in the smith machine I could have set the bar above that failure point and carried on so I'll try that next time.
That's how I'm training just now. It has made me really sore this week but then, ive hardly tained in the last few months. Ive got bloody parkrun tomorrow as well, but needs must! Edited by biggbn on Friday 7th July 20:19
biggbn said:
Whereas Mentzer/Yates etc will say the exact opposite. The more I ponder this, the clearer it becomes. Although we all may be very similar in our physical make up, and almost any 'programme' will bring some sort of gains for anyone, we are all different mentally and so the key is to find a programme that you 'enjoy' and can stick to for long enough to see the gains it promises. Some people enjoy cardio/high rep training and it does what it says on the tin, others prefer lower reps, bigger weights and yet others mix it up. THEY WILL ALL WORK. Buildinguscle and strength is simply a reaction to putting your system under stress, so find programme you enjoy and stick to it.
There are many ways to build muscle. Edited by biggbn on Monday 10th July 16:54
I’ll agree that if your goal is lifting more and more weight then the short rest won’t work so well, as if your concentrating on sets of 8-10 reps, then you won’t be ready to do another 8 reps 60-90 seconds later.
Legacywr said:
biggbn said:
Whereas Mentzer/Yates etc will say the exact opposite. The more I ponder this, the clearer it becomes. Although we all may be very similar in our physical make up, and almost any 'programme' will bring some sort of gains for anyone, we are all different mentally and so the key is to find a programme that you 'enjoy' and can stick to for long enough to see the gains it promises. Some people enjoy cardio/high rep training and it does what it says on the tin, others prefer lower reps, bigger weights and yet others mix it up. THEY WILL ALL WORK. Buildinguscle and strength is simply a reaction to putting your system under stress, so find programme you enjoy and stick to it.
There are many ways to build muscle. Edited by biggbn on Monday 10th July 16:54
I’ll agree that if your goal is lifting more and more weight then the short rest won’t work so well, as if your concentrating on sets of 8-10 reps, then you won’t be ready to do another 8 reps 60-90 seconds later.
For the compound lifts for chest/shoulder/back, then i tend to do 4 sets 10-12 reps and might find that the last set might only be 8-9 before failure. I generally rest for 2 minutes or 2.30 depending on how tired I'm feeling. I find much less than that and it's more like a superset as I feel like I've not recovered from the previous.
biggbn said:
That's my point man, there is no magic bullet answer as anything that stresses your system will build muscle/stamina, whatever your goals. But as I alluded to, we are all mentally different and that is what is important. Find something that works and you enjoy and your rewards, both physical and psychosocial will be exponential.
Agreed the best routine is one you will follow everything else is academic. Chicken Chaser said:
For the compound lifts for chest/shoulder/back, then i tend to do 4 sets 10-12 reps and might find that the last set might only be 8-9 before failure. I generally rest for 2 minutes or 2.30 depending on how tired I'm feeling. I find much less than that and it's more like a superset as I feel like I've not recovered from the previous.
I only time rest periods when I am doing volume training, if I'm training in the 4-6 rep range I go again when I'm ready, simple. biggbn said:
Chicken Chaser said:
For the compound lifts for chest/shoulder/back, then i tend to do 4 sets 10-12 reps and might find that the last set might only be 8-9 before failure. I generally rest for 2 minutes or 2.30 depending on how tired I'm feeling. I find much less than that and it's more like a superset as I feel like I've not recovered from the previous.
I only time rest periods when I am doing volume training, if I'm training in the 4-6 rep range I go again when I'm ready, simple. popeyewhite said:
biggbn said:
Chicken Chaser said:
For the compound lifts for chest/shoulder/back, then i tend to do 4 sets 10-12 reps and might find that the last set might only be 8-9 before failure. I generally rest for 2 minutes or 2.30 depending on how tired I'm feeling. I find much less than that and it's more like a superset as I feel like I've not recovered from the previous.
I only time rest periods when I am doing volume training, if I'm training in the 4-6 rep range I go again when I'm ready, simple. popeyewhite said:
Yep, fast twitch fibres are mostly non oxidative so rest times aren't really an issue. You can go again when you want. I've known people doing threes take over five minutes between sets. Go and have a chat, put the kettle on, do some mega heavy squats... . Best thing about strength training in the is you don't get exhausted or overtrained. Recovery is easy. Lovely.
I am on a diet now and have lost close to 2 trouser sizes and my arm, chest and back measurements are unfortunately all up. As a result of the lower body weight, I've significantly upped my volume and reps. Recovery is an issue I must say, but I do not have all day to squeeze volume in and I train for functional fitness. The hefty build comes with years of high rep training. Gassing Station | Health Matters | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff