Anyone with heartburn please read

[Downward]

I’m not sure if it’s the same but what happens is sometimes i’ll wake a couple of hours after sleep regurgitating but it’s not food just pure vomit. The silent retching wakes me up.

Went to the docs years ago who gave me some tablets to take in the morning.

I don’t get pain or anything just the horrible reflux.

[Peanut Gallery]

Just to add I was prescribed omeprozle, I stopped after 1 week, it gave me some serious anger issues, like serious anger issues!

[BckFlash]

Another Omeprazole user here - can’t even tell you how long I’ve used it for (prescribed)… I too raised concerns about long term use but the GP had no issues.

Miss a day or 2 and I’m contemplating life at 2am. It’s horrible!

[UrbanAchiever]

Good to flag this OP.

PPI have some well known long term issues. Just Google them.

My reflux was so bad I had an operation for it. I now have a linx device which keeps my stomach valve shut. When I eat the magnetic beads of the device separate and allow food down. This completely solved the issue, albeit I tend to eat slower than normal now and some foods, mostly dry rice can get stuck temporarily. But it's a small price to pay.

Worth checking out refluxuk who did my implant. They are experts in this field.

[tele_lover]

PPIs are fine short term or on/off but not good continuously for 2+ years as they can mess with your magnesium and B12 absorption. Might also affect kidney function, can't remember.

Anyone on PPIs long term I'd suggest asking your GP to do annual blood tests, including your electrolytes (magnesium, sodium etc), B12 and kidney/liver. Low B12 can really **** you up. It's very important for nerves and DNA.

[tele_lover]

Downward said:

I’m not sure if it’s the same but what happens is sometimes i’ll wake a couple of hours after sleep regurgitating but it’s not food just pure vomit. The silent retching wakes me up.

Went to the docs years ago who gave me some tablets to take in the morning.

I don’t get pain or anything just the horrible reflux.

You may want to Google "silent reflux".

[tele_lover]

UrbanAchiever said:

Good to flag this OP.

PPI have some well known long term issues. Just Google them.

My reflux was so bad I had an operation for it. I now have a linx device which keeps my stomach valve shut. When I eat the magnetic beads of the device separate and allow food down. This completely solved the issue, albeit I tend to eat slower than normal now and some foods, mostly dry rice can get stuck temporarily. But it's a small price to pay.

Worth checking out refluxuk who did my implant. They are experts in this field.

The thing putting me off Linx is you can't have 3T strength MRIs anymore? I think it's limited to 1.5T?

[Nethybridge]

As a late night muncher I reach for the Bicarb of Soda before retiring,
it makes you burp but keeps the major effects of nightime reflux at bay.

[Downward]

tele_lover said:

Downward said:

I’m not sure if it’s the same but what happens is sometimes i’ll wake a couple of hours after sleep regurgitating but it’s not food just pure vomit. The silent retching wakes me up.

Went to the docs years ago who gave me some tablets to take in the morning.

I don’t get pain or anything just the horrible reflux.

You may want to Google "silent reflux".

Ta, With the constant cough and lump in throat for 15 years this could be it.

Doc prescribed Lansoprazle a while back but didn’t seem to do much.

I’ll try another 2 weeks. Not sure how long u should take them for.

Edited by Downward on Monday 26th February 23:08

[Elysium]

If anyone is suffering from reflux and struggling with Omeprazole or other PPI's, I would very much recommend Apple Cider Vinegar tablets as an alternative.

They will change your life.

[nuyorican]

Do the tablets differ fro normal ACV out of a bottle? Didn't do much for me from memory. Pretty rank though drinking vinegar. Maybe i didn't give it chance.

[mikeiow]

Elysium said:

If anyone is suffering from reflux and struggling with Omeprazole or other PPI's, I would very much recommend Apple Cider Vinegar tablets as an alternative.

They will change your life.

Reading https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/apple-cider-v... it seems that there is little research into this though, no?
Possible negative side effects including indigestion, throat irritation and low potassium.

Any research/studies you know to recommend these?

[Elysium]

mikeiow said:

Elysium said:

If anyone is suffering from reflux and struggling with Omeprazole or other PPI's, I would very much recommend Apple Cider Vinegar tablets as an alternative.

They will change your life.

Reading https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/apple-cider-v... it seems that there is little research into this though, no?
Possible negative side effects including indigestion, throat irritation and low potassium.

Any research/studies you know to recommend these?

This says there is not a great deal of research into Apple Cider Vinegar for GERD. Perhaps unsurprising for a natural remedy:

https://www.verywellhealth.com/apple-cider-vinegar...

I found Omeprazole worked well for me initially, but over time it became less and less effective.

I tried drinking apple cider vinegar, but gave up almost immediately. It’s vile.

I now take two of these a day and have not needed any antacid tablets in years:

https://alpha01.co/products/organic-apple-cider-vi...

They are more effective for me than the PPIs ever were. You need to ditch antacids altogether when you try it as that defeats the purpose. You want stomach acidity because that closes the esophagus.

Oh and only buy the tablets with ‘the mother’ which is part of the fermentation process. I have no idea why, but these are the ones that work for me.

Edited by Elysium on Tuesday 27th February 07:47

[sherbertdip]

I suffered from heartburn, gerd, aspiration of food during sleep for years, used gaviscon but it didn't really help, went to docs and onto Lansoprazole, this was about 5 years ago, since then problem gone, I can eat spicy food, drink alcohol and not have tiny portions.

I also had the camera down the gullet checking for Barretts and ulcers in stomach, thankfully all clear.

Definitely something that needs attention.

Edited by sherbertdip on Tuesday 27th February 14:46

[tele_lover]

Elysium said:

mikeiow said:

Elysium said:

If anyone is suffering from reflux and struggling with Omeprazole or other PPI's, I would very much recommend Apple Cider Vinegar tablets as an alternative.

They will change your life.

Reading https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/apple-cider-v... it seems that there is little research into this though, no?
Possible negative side effects including indigestion, throat irritation and low potassium.

Any research/studies you know to recommend these?

This says there is not a great deal of research into Apple Cider Vinegar for GERD. Perhaps unsurprising for a natural remedy:

https://www.verywellhealth.com/apple-cider-vinegar...

I found Omeprazole worked well for me initially, but over time it became less and less effective.

I tried drinking apple cider vinegar, but gave up almost immediately. It’s vile.

I now take two of these a day and have not needed any antacid tablets in years:

https://alpha01.co/products/organic-apple-cider-vi...

They are more effective for me than the PPIs ever were. You need to ditch antacids altogether when you try it as that defeats the purpose. You want stomach acidity because that closes the esophagus.

Oh and only buy the tablets with ‘the mother’ which is part of the fermentation process. I have no idea why, but these are the ones that work for me.

Edited by Elysium on Tuesday 27th February 07:47

But most people with GERD don't have a properly functioning LES (valve).

[Elysium]

tele_lover said:

Elysium said:

mikeiow said:

Elysium said:

If anyone is suffering from reflux and struggling with Omeprazole or other PPI's, I would very much recommend Apple Cider Vinegar tablets as an alternative.

They will change your life.

Reading https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/apple-cider-v... it seems that there is little research into this though, no?
Possible negative side effects including indigestion, throat irritation and low potassium.

Any research/studies you know to recommend these?

This says there is not a great deal of research into Apple Cider Vinegar for GERD. Perhaps unsurprising for a natural remedy:

https://www.verywellhealth.com/apple-cider-vinegar...

I found Omeprazole worked well for me initially, but over time it became less and less effective.

I tried drinking apple cider vinegar, but gave up almost immediately. It’s vile.

I now take two of these a day and have not needed any antacid tablets in years:

https://alpha01.co/products/organic-apple-cider-vi...

They are more effective for me than the PPIs ever were. You need to ditch antacids altogether when you try it as that defeats the purpose. You want stomach acidity because that closes the esophagus.

Oh and only buy the tablets with ‘the mother’ which is part of the fermentation process. I have no idea why, but these are the ones that work for me.

Edited by Elysium on Tuesday 27th February 07:47

But most people with GERD don't have a properly functioning LES (valve).

Agreed GERD is caused by a lack of competence of the LES. My consultant said mine was functioning at about 70%, which meant I was not a candidate for surgery.

PPI's inhibit stomach acid production so the disfunctioning LES is less of a problem.

The argument for apple cider vinegar is that by upping the acidity, you cause the faulty LES to perform better.

All I can say is that in my case it works amazingly well. I took Omeprazole for around 5 years and by the end it was doing very little for me. I have taken apple cider vinegar tablets for around 8 years.

[LeighW]

Elysium said:

This says there is not a great deal of research into Apple Cider Vinegar for GERD. Perhaps unsurprising for a natural remedy:

https://www.verywellhealth.com/apple-cider-vinegar...

I found Omeprazole worked well for me initially, but over time it became less and less effective.

I tried drinking apple cider vinegar, but gave up almost immediately. It’s vile.

I now take two of these a day and have not needed any antacid tablets in years:

https://alpha01.co/products/organic-apple-cider-vi...

They are more effective for me than the PPIs ever were. You need to ditch antacids altogether when you try it as that defeats the purpose. You want stomach acidity because that closes the esophagus.

Oh and only buy the tablets with ‘the mother’ which is part of the fermentation process. I have no idea why, but these are the ones that work for me.

Edited by Elysium on Tuesday 27th February 07:47

I tried stopping the omeprazole and taking apple cider vinegar after you posted about it ages ago. I lasted a day, it was like someone had put mentos and diet coke down my throat, with added acid!

I'm aware of the long term side effects of pump inhibitors, I eat healthily, take high strength vitamin D, K, calcium, magnesium and whatnot, and my kidney function is down a bit (I pay and have my bloods screened), but without them I get terrible acids. My Dad died of pancreatic cancer, as did his sister, and I have no gallbladder (removed after stones when I was 26!), so poorly functioning digestive systems seem to be a family trait.

[Jimbo.]

41, and started on Omeprazole after a good 10 years of agonising, recurrent heartburn. Uninterrupted sleep? HA! That’s something that happened to other people. All I got was 2am wake-ups with what felt like a mouth full of acid.

Eventually I started to sweat Gaviscon and my farts smelled of Rennie. So to the GP it was. Some blood tests later - but mercifully no mention of cameras - and on the Omeprazole I went. And it’s been life-changing. I can now enjoy a meal without worrying how much it’ll hurt later, and can go to bed relatively confident I’ll sleep through most of the night. If it comes with risks, I’ll take them!

[flatlandsman]

I tend to get it if I eat too late in the day, my diet is not that great but I am reading some interesting stuff here about dairy etc.

I have never been able to eat spicy stuff or fizz drinks and sleep well,so I just dont bother now.

But this does fluctuate a lot. I have cut out coffee, tea etc I only drink decaff now and this made a difference to many areas of digestion

rennies do sod all, but a small half teaspoon of Gaviscon does the trick##it is horrid though, constant acidic gassy belching for about an hour and cant ever sleep on side when it happens

[Elysium]

LeighW said:

Elysium said:

This says there is not a great deal of research into Apple Cider Vinegar for GERD. Perhaps unsurprising for a natural remedy:

https://www.verywellhealth.com/apple-cider-vinegar...

I found Omeprazole worked well for me initially, but over time it became less and less effective.

I tried drinking apple cider vinegar, but gave up almost immediately. It’s vile.

I now take two of these a day and have not needed any antacid tablets in years:

https://alpha01.co/products/organic-apple-cider-vi...

They are more effective for me than the PPIs ever were. You need to ditch antacids altogether when you try it as that defeats the purpose. You want stomach acidity because that closes the esophagus.

Oh and only buy the tablets with ‘the mother’ which is part of the fermentation process. I have no idea why, but these are the ones that work for me.

Edited by Elysium on Tuesday 27th February 07:47

I tried stopping the omeprazole and taking apple cider vinegar after you posted about it ages ago. I lasted a day, it was like someone had put mentos and diet coke down my throat, with added acid!

I'm aware of the long term side effects of pump inhibitors, I eat healthily, take high strength vitamin D, K, calcium, magnesium and whatnot, and my kidney function is down a bit (I pay and have my bloods screened), but without them I get terrible acids. My Dad died of pancreatic cancer, as did his sister, and I have no gallbladder (removed after stones when I was 26!), so poorly functioning digestive systems seem to be a family trait.

Crikey. Sorry to hear it did not work for you. Hope you tried tablets rather than drinking the stuff.

I do recall that it took me about a week for things to settle down when I stopped the Omeprazole, but in my case it wasn’t doing all that much anyway.