how fast can you row 2000 metres ?
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LambShank said:
Come on chaps.... I'm sure some of you are more than capable of qualifying -
http://log.concept2.com/challenges/world-games/201...
My current time puts me 3rd in the Women's Open
If I get some form (after this mad crazy bear), I should be in the top 100 on the open 500m (more like about 70th). And probably sub 7.http://log.concept2.com/challenges/world-games/201...
My current time puts me 3rd in the Women's Open
But not sure what those world games are about. I know a quite few people on those lists, and they are definitely not competing (I know a couple who have totally pulled out of rowing due to injuries).
I think, if I've read it correctly, that if you upload and verify your time to your logbook then it automatically puts you on the list if within a qualifying time.
Just been informed that my daughter is doing the junior indoor champs at the London Velo in December
Should be a cracking day.
Just been informed that my daughter is doing the junior indoor champs at the London Velo in December
Should be a cracking day.
LambShank said:
I think, if I've read it correctly, that if you upload and verify your time to your logbook then it automatically puts you on the list if within a qualifying time.
Just been informed that my daughter is doing the junior indoor champs at the London Velo in December
Should be a cracking day.
The BRIC at the Velodrome is a brilliant event ... with some massive caveats. Absolutely hateful venue for rowing - it is way too dry. It isn't great for spectators either, when you're on the infield area rowing you can't see the spectators particularly well, and the spectators haven't got a clue what is going on - there are displays around the outside showing the various events taking place and positions - but there are typically many events going on at one time and the displays cycle through the various events.Just been informed that my daughter is doing the junior indoor champs at the London Velo in December
Should be a cracking day.
But it is a brilliant day out, the olympic park is a beautiful place to be, and good look to your daughter! I'm hoping that my youngest will want to do this at some point; he's 8 and already holds british records on the C2 Ski erg up to 5k (both he and my oldest actually hold world records on the ski erg too!).
At the risk of a flaming here, I am not convinced regarding the merit of super long erg distances, unless they are done at speed.
A chap I know can, and does, row huge distances. But he struggles to do 2k under 8 minutes and he neither looks nor is fit. He has just become used to rowing a long way without putting in massive degrees of effort. I am not a rower but can beat him over pretty much any distance up to 10k - after that I lose consciousness due to boredom.
Doing a long distance on an erg without doing it fast is a bit like a super long walk. Great if you're raising money for Stoke Mandeville or whatever, but otherwise pointless.
On the other hand, achieving any distance in the fastest possible time does have benefits. I think for most blokes short, fast rows or better still sprints, are the most beneficial of all.
Discuss / Flame as you see fit.
A chap I know can, and does, row huge distances. But he struggles to do 2k under 8 minutes and he neither looks nor is fit. He has just become used to rowing a long way without putting in massive degrees of effort. I am not a rower but can beat him over pretty much any distance up to 10k - after that I lose consciousness due to boredom.
Doing a long distance on an erg without doing it fast is a bit like a super long walk. Great if you're raising money for Stoke Mandeville or whatever, but otherwise pointless.
On the other hand, achieving any distance in the fastest possible time does have benefits. I think for most blokes short, fast rows or better still sprints, are the most beneficial of all.
Discuss / Flame as you see fit.
Surely that's no different to saying a ultra runner isn't fit because he has a crap park run or 10k time?
Same sport but different ways of training when you get up to big distances and i'm sure rowing is the same.
Doing big distances you have to learn to pace yourself to complete the distance , your 2000m row time is irrelevant if your doing a marathon.
I agree with you though about the boredom factor , i quite enjoy doing 2000m and could probably grind out 4000m but i just find it boring compared to running.
Same sport but different ways of training when you get up to big distances and i'm sure rowing is the same.
Doing big distances you have to learn to pace yourself to complete the distance , your 2000m row time is irrelevant if your doing a marathon.
I agree with you though about the boredom factor , i quite enjoy doing 2000m and could probably grind out 4000m but i just find it boring compared to running.
egor110 said:
Surely that's no different to saying a ultra runner isn't fit because he has a crap park run or 10k time?
Same sport but different ways of training when you get up to big distances and i'm sure rowing is the same.
Doing big distances you have to learn to pace yourself to complete the distance , your 2000m row time is irrelevant if your doing a marathon.
I agree with you though about the boredom factor , i quite enjoy doing 2000m and could probably grind out 4000m but i just find it boring compared to running.
It seems to be easier to churn out huge distances on a rower than it is running. I've just eaten a big dinner but could get on the rower in my office and bang out 10k if I so wished. I couldn't run 10k right now. That's not because I am any kind of rower, it's just easier to row a long way than run a long way.Same sport but different ways of training when you get up to big distances and i'm sure rowing is the same.
Doing big distances you have to learn to pace yourself to complete the distance , your 2000m row time is irrelevant if your doing a marathon.
I agree with you though about the boredom factor , i quite enjoy doing 2000m and could probably grind out 4000m but i just find it boring compared to running.
13m said:
It seems to be easier to churn out huge distances on a rower than it is running. I've just eaten a big dinner but could get on the rower in my office and bang out 10k if I so wished. I couldn't run 10k right now. That's not because I am any kind of rower, it's just easier to row a long way than run a long way.
Can't disagree with most of that. Running has the impact on your knees etc that rowing doesn't so yes a 10k run is harder IMHO than a 10k row.
Don't think it makes it easy though.
However I've proved I can row a marathon but could I run that far?
I doubt it to be honest but until I clear my mind & decide to do it I don't know.
Also agree with others about sprinting on the erg.
Pulling sub 1.50/500 for shorter distances probably has greater benefits than 2.20/500 for long distances.
I do both but I prefer the 5k or 10k but I also enjoy sprint intervals.
If you get bored though the long rows are not for you.
13m said:
At the risk of a flaming here, I am not convinced regarding the merit of super long erg distances, unless they are done at speed.
A chap I know can, and does, row huge distances. But he struggles to do 2k under 8 minutes and he neither looks nor is fit. He has just become used to rowing a long way without putting in massive degrees of effort. I am not a rower but can beat him over pretty much any distance up to 10k - after that I lose consciousness due to boredom.
Doing a long distance on an erg without doing it fast is a bit like a super long walk. Great if you're raising money for Stoke Mandeville or whatever, but otherwise pointless.
On the other hand, achieving any distance in the fastest possible time does have benefits. I think for most blokes short, fast rows or better still sprints, are the most beneficial of all.
Discuss / Flame as you see fit.
I'm intending to do a lot of the crazy bear (I have another 23 half marathons to do before christmas) as maffetone sessions, a very specific heart rate cap - and that will have a huge benefit to my sprinting.A chap I know can, and does, row huge distances. But he struggles to do 2k under 8 minutes and he neither looks nor is fit. He has just become used to rowing a long way without putting in massive degrees of effort. I am not a rower but can beat him over pretty much any distance up to 10k - after that I lose consciousness due to boredom.
Doing a long distance on an erg without doing it fast is a bit like a super long walk. Great if you're raising money for Stoke Mandeville or whatever, but otherwise pointless.
On the other hand, achieving any distance in the fastest possible time does have benefits. I think for most blokes short, fast rows or better still sprints, are the most beneficial of all.
Discuss / Flame as you see fit.
A few years back I had a week of doing gradually faster half marathons (at a capped heart rate), then the following week I did a 2k trial and made an easy sub 7. Which I put down to the endurance sessions.
dirty doug said:
clonmult said:
That is ruddy fantastic!
Forgot to say thanks Clon 
I've got to look into doing at least one or two more marathons on the run up to christmas. Hopefully I'll get one completed on the ski erg too - that'll be a hateful experience.
And, the biggie - I'm hoping to complete a 100k, reckon it'll take me about 7h20-7h30, hopefully sub 2:15 pace all the way. I got to 66k on one last season, but stopped due to blisters. Current trainers seem to have no such problems (fingers crossed).
dtmpower said:
clonmult said:
a 100k, reckon it'll take me about 7h20-7h30, hopefully sub 2:15 pace all the way.
How do you entertain over 7 hours sat on the rower ? TV ? Radio ? LambShank said:
100k?
You're off your f
king trolley!
Nah, its easy.You're off your f
king trolley!Last years attempt was done in a busy town center, supporting the fundraising of a mate who went on to row the atlantic. People coming by, dropping in a few quid here and there.
One of the girls doing this challenge recently did a 100k on the ski erg. First female in history to do that distance on the ski erg.
Not much to say other than.... Finally finished this stupid million metres! Can now do some proper varied training now! Back is getting better all the time, still not perfect. Really could do with some weights, circuits and the odd long erg now. Not bad going given I didn't erg for 14 weeks due to injury and with 6 weeks to spare.
...Same again next year anyone?
...Same again next year anyone?
Fezzaman said:
Not much to say other than.... Finally finished this stupid million metres! Can now do some proper varied training now! Back is getting better all the time, still not perfect. Really could do with some weights, circuits and the odd long erg now. Not bad going given I didn't erg for 14 weeks due to injury and with 6 weeks to spare.
...Same again next year anyone?
Considering I suggested it , very well done. Ingot no where near. Yes. Let's pencil in for 2017 and have proper status updates. ...Same again next year anyone?
dtmpower said:
Fezzaman said:
Not much to say other than.... Finally finished this stupid million metres! Can now do some proper varied training now! Back is getting better all the time, still not perfect. Really could do with some weights, circuits and the odd long erg now. Not bad going given I didn't erg for 14 weeks due to injury and with 6 weeks to spare.
...Same again next year anyone?
Considering I suggested it , very well done. Ingot no where near. Yes. Let's pencil in for 2017 and have proper status updates. ...Same again next year anyone?
Repeating it again?
I'm oot! Echoing Fezza's comments, I'd like to take a more balanced approach to gym work rather than always have to be thinking about banging in erg time.
I enjoy rowing & will continue doing some big mileage next year, but it will be when I feel like it rather than having this 1 mill challenge hanging over me.
It will also be more beneficial as others have pointed out, to be more varied in erg style by doing more sprint work rather than just pure mileage pounding.
I'm assuming that others have also taken the approach of mainly doing 10k+ as a basic session.
dirty doug said:
dtmpower said:
Fezzaman said:
Not much to say other than.... Finally finished this stupid million metres! Can now do some proper varied training now! Back is getting better all the time, still not perfect. Really could do with some weights, circuits and the odd long erg now. Not bad going given I didn't erg for 14 weeks due to injury and with 6 weeks to spare.
...Same again next year anyone?
Considering I suggested it , very well done. Ingot no where near. Yes. Let's pencil in for 2017 and have proper status updates. ...Same again next year anyone?
Repeating it again?
I'm oot! Echoing Fezza's comments, I'd like to take a more balanced approach to gym work rather than always have to be thinking about banging in erg time.
I enjoy rowing & will continue doing some big mileage next year, but it will be when I feel like it rather than having this 1 mill challenge hanging over me.
It will also be more beneficial as others have pointed out, to be more varied in erg style by doing more sprint work rather than just pure mileage pounding.
I'm assuming that others have also taken the approach of mainly doing 10k+ as a basic session.
Although I'd like to get back into more general training, I'm starting to finally feel the benefits of the crazy bear challenge (30 half marathons in 44 days). This morning I did #10. Wasn't sure how I'd feel, as #8 and #9 felt absolutely hateful, spluttered through them.
But I did a PB - 1h27m57.5, thats a 2:05 average pace.
And I felt fine. Distance work really does help your fitness a lot.
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