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clonmult

9,108 posts

96 months

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dtmpower said:
2000m Top Ten:
1) Fergie87 6:25.2 76kg (24 years)
2) MacGee 6:47.6 6'3" 103kgs (50years)
3) samwilliams 6:53
4) Flook 7:15.7 5'10" 70kg (43 years)
5) Driller 7.23 6'3" 82Kg
6) clonmult 7:26 6' 100kg
8) dtmpower 7:34.1 6'1" 100kg (31 years)
7) AJLintern 7:38 6' 67Kg
9) Halb 8.40 6'3 (120+kg at the time)
10)

Today's effort brings a slight improvement and a place jump up the 2000m leaderboard. The last 100m was hanging on for dear life - I just couldn't drive on. All my splits were roughly the same. ~1:54. So just didn't have any sprint for the line energy left. I finished and recovered ok though. No dizziness, no nausea.. 7:30 is close !
You really aren't that far off me .... and I haven't tried the 2k for well over a month - last time was when I put in my 7:26. Got a boxercise class today, that'll likely be a good warm up in preparation for hammering in a 2k, but the arse is aching from some deadlifting yesterday.

Halb

23,602 posts

70 months

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Yeah I was a bit surprised at the stretch I got in the arse, which slowed me down a bit. It came as a bit of a shock.biggrin

Flook

224 posts

93 months

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Did a looong steady state this morning - wanted to do a 1000 calorie workout - it took 1 hour, 7 mins & 14 secs - averaged 2.06.6 / 500m - the auld blisters have come up a treat!

louiebaby

5,618 posts

78 months

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Am I allowed to post old times from when I was seriously training, or do they have to be as now? Some great times by everyone, keep up the good work.

(I look forward to having the space to have my own machine in a garage or spare room, and get back into it properly. They're one of the best all round work outs...

MacGee

2,409 posts

117 months

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I think its only fair to have fairly recent times. In last couple of years. But I'm not the judge/ref so anyone else can have a say. You could enter it and put date next to it. that sounds OK to me!
This is a good motivation to gee us along. So dont want to put anyone off!
Us rowers need to be a happy bunch!
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louiebaby

5,618 posts

78 months

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Thinking about it, the times would be from 6 or 7 years ago. Whilst they would be directly comparable, it hardly seems fair. I'll come back when I win the lottery and go back to skulling as my daily pass time...

MacGee

2,409 posts

117 months

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Please enter your times. It'll give us targets and something for you to work for. It's always easier if it's written down!

louiebaby

5,618 posts

78 months

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Wednesday 16th May 2012 quote quote all
2000m Top Ten:
1) Fergie87 - 6:25.2 (76kg) (24 years)
2) MacGee - 6:47.6 (6'3") (103kg) (50years)
3) samwilliams - 6:53
4) Flook - 7:15.7 (5'10") (70kg) (43 years)
5) Driller - 7.23 (6'3") (82kg)
6) clonmult - 7:26 (6') (100kg)
8) dtmpower - 7:34.1 (6'1") (100kg) (31 years)
7) AJLintern - 7:38 (6') (67Kg)
9) Halb - 8.40 (6'3) (120+kg at the time)
10)

Not on the pools: louiebaby - 6:11.4 (6'8") (96kg) (24 years) (7 years ago)

5000m Top Ten:
1) Derek Chevalier - 17:29.9 (@R26) (6'3") (97kg) (37 years)
2) MacGee - 18:22.9
3) samwilliams - 18:59
4) clonmult - 19:48
5) Driller - 19.55
6) louiebaby - 20:00 (@R17) (6'8") (108kg) (31 years)
7) dtmpower - 20:41 (6'1") (100kg) (31 years)
8)
9)
10)

Not on the pools: louiebaby - 16:05 (6'8") (96kg) (24 years) (7 years ago)

500m Top Ten:
1) Derek Chevalier - 1:17.5
2) Fergie87 - 1:27.2
3) MacGee - 1:28.6 (silver at English indoor 2012 in HWT 50+)
4) Halb - 1:29.2
5) dtmpower - 1:34.1
6) Driller - 1:35.8
7) clonmult - 1:36
8) AJLintern - 1:42
9)
10)

Flook

224 posts

93 months

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Tactical question...

Do people try to go for even splits through the 2000m? - Or even negative splits (ie getting slightly faster as you go through the distance)?

I ask because that seems to be the best advice for to get the fastest times for eg middle distance running...but for something like 2000m, does 'holding back' this much at the beginning give you too much to do towards the end when your leg muscles are all pumped full of blood and might be tailing off anyway...

What do you guys do?

louiebaby

5,618 posts

78 months

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Flook said:
Tactical question...

Do people try to go for even splits through the 2000m? - Or even negative splits (ie getting slightly faster as you go through the distance)?

I ask because that seems to be the best advice for to get the fastest times for eg middle distance running...but for something like 2000m, does 'holding back' this much at the beginning give you too much to do towards the end when your leg muscles are all pumped full of blood and might be tailing off anyway...

What do you guys do?
In the past, I seem to remember working it based on for instance:

Target = 7 minutes dead.
Average split = 1:45.
1st Split: 1:43 (Fresh legs)
2nd Split: 1:46 (Settle / Rhythm)
3rd Split: 1:46.5 (Settle / Rhythm)
4th Split: 1:44.5 (Just fking do it!)

This means with 500 to go, you should be a fraction behind the target average split for the race so far. I found that choosing two songs to listen to during the torture really helped.

Song 1: Living on a prayer - Bon Jovi
Song 2: Crazy in love - Beyonce

I found the "Wooaah, we're halfway there" chorus useful on the first song, and the rhythm and constant "building" of the second song useful.

Not everyone shared my love of my choices. smile

Halb

23,602 posts

70 months

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Derek Chevalier said:
Fergie87 said:
and have been stuck in a plateu for a while.
Time for beetroot!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01gyfts/Bang...
I tried it a year or so ago, I was intrigued by the reports...sadly it makes me want to vomit.

This type of product is meant to do the same, but can science match nature?
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/bsn/nitrix.html

MacGee

2,409 posts

117 months

clonmult

9,108 posts

96 months

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Flook said:
Tactical question...

Do people try to go for even splits through the 2000m? - Or even negative splits (ie getting slightly faster as you go through the distance)?

I ask because that seems to be the best advice for to get the fastest times for eg middle distance running...but for something like 2000m, does 'holding back' this much at the beginning give you too much to do towards the end when your leg muscles are all pumped full of blood and might be tailing off anyway...

What do you guys do?
Gym managers advice was more intervals - blast it, rest period, blast it, etc.

Doesn't tend to work for me at the moment, I try to keep a fairly even pace and keep my form, until the last 500 meters which tends to be a relative sprint finish (think I've been finishing the last 100-200 meters at 1:34 pace on my last couple of rows). Which is a total farkin' biatch.

I'd suggest trying a few techniques, see which works best for you.

clonmult

9,108 posts

96 months

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2000m Top Ten:
1) Fergie87 - 6:25.2 (76kg) (24 years)
2) MacGee - 6:47.6 (6'3") (103kg) (50years)
3) samwilliams - 6:53
4) Flook - 7:15.7 (5'10") (70kg) (43 years)
5) Driller - 7.23 (6'3") (82kg)
6) clonmult - 7:25 (6') (100kg)
8) dtmpower - 7:34.1 (6'1") (100kg) (31 years)
7) AJLintern - 7:38 (6') (67Kg)
9) Halb - 8.40 (6'3) (120+kg at the time)
10)

Not on the pools: louiebaby - 6:11.4 (6'8") (96kg) (24 years) (7 years ago)

5000m Top Ten:
1) Derek Chevalier - 17:29.9 (@R26) (6'3") (97kg) (37 years)
2) MacGee - 18:22.9
3) samwilliams - 18:59
4) clonmult - 19:48
5) Driller - 19.55
6) louiebaby - 20:00 (@R17) (6'8") (108kg) (31 years)
7) dtmpower - 20:41 (6'1") (100kg) (31 years)
8)
9)
10)

Not on the pools: louiebaby - 16:05 (6'8") (96kg) (24 years) (7 years ago)

500m Top Ten:
1) Derek Chevalier - 1:17.5
2) Fergie87 - 1:27.2
3) MacGee - 1:28.6 (silver at English indoor 2012 in HWT 50+)
4) Halb - 1:29.2
5) dtmpower - 1:34.1
6) Driller - 1:35.8
7) clonmult - 1:36
8) AJLintern - 1:42
9)
10)

Just lopped one second off my 2k time, and this time the pace actually felt relatively sedate. Definitely had a little more pace in me, but it was my warm up prior to what turned into a killer boxercise class. So didn't push it.

Tomorrow is a rest day, think I shall have to be back for more 2k "fun" on friday.

  • eta* bks, I'd forgotten that Driller was so close, I should have put in a teeny little extra. Damn, double damn and drat.

Driller

5,898 posts

165 months

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Flook

224 posts

93 months

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louiebaby said:
Song 1: Living on a prayer - Bon Jovi
Song 2: Crazy in love - Beyonce

I found the "Wooaah, we're halfway there" chorus useful on the first song, and the rhythm and constant "building" of the second song useful.

Not everyone shared my love of my choices. smile
Brilliant - now I have "you gotta hold on, ready or not, you live for the fight when that's all that you've got" going round my head - thanks! laugh

Flook

224 posts

93 months

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MacGee said:
Great links - many thanks thumbup

Think it looks like more or less flat, with a slight variation around target average (-1, +1, +1, -?) is a good one to try.

MacGee

2,409 posts

117 months

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nice going...Driller breathes for another day!! prob not got over the excitement of a new president!
Louiebaby...bloodyhell! those old times are superb. you def got talent. you should get back into it and you are in with some British or English medals!
my best 2k saw me sprinting for first section, then settling down and pushing near the end..I think this is the French method!

louiebaby

5,618 posts

78 months

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MacGee said:
Louiebaby...bloodyhell! those old times are superb. you def gothad some talent. You should get back into it and you are in with some British or English medals!
The qualification times for GB trials at the time was 6:10 and 16:25 respectively. I went to a few but I was never quite there. I didn't like the racing enough to make it. (Oddly I loved the training but not the racing.)

Some of the times the other people on this thread are churning out are very good, and better than I could do now. I was working part time and training 4 hours a day, 6 days a week to get to were I did, and that wasn't enough to go International.

I'd love to have the time to get a single scull moving properly again, and a nice location to do it.

Halb

23,602 posts

70 months

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So I am gonna have a crack at 2000m tomorrow. Keep a steady 1.55 (if I am able) to get a good sub 8 time?
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