What re the typical niggles

What re the typical niggles

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blueg33

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35,590 posts

223 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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I am looking at an Evora as a daily driver (other choice is a 997), but I do 15k miles a year. The 997 is pretty well build and niggle free (ignoring bore scoring etc which is more than a niggle).

What niggles does the Evora have, driving it daily I will notice them more. My Tuscan had loads of niggles but I only did 5k miles a year so could live with them.

I am looking at a n/a car with the 3 packs and a recent clutch (replaced under warranty). I have driven it, and without doubt its the best road car I have driven.

My current concerns about practicality are as follows: (ie where the b997 is better)

tricky to get out of in a tight parking space
rear seats smaller than 997 possibly tricky for 14 yr old daughter (occasional use only)
hard to see the heater controls
lack of odment storage
I need to use the bluetooth phone and nav frequently
hard to read dash display for fuel, temp and tyres pressures
rear visibility for reverse parking

In terms of niggles so far I have noticed:

condensation on drivers door window (carpets were all dry)
sport mode button u/s on one car


I am looking at pre my12 cars wilth mileage of 20k and under.

Thanks in advance

(nb, I have trawled the forums but though I would ask my questions and put my comments in one place)

limpsfield

5,871 posts

252 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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I have had mine since Nov 2012 and covered 10,000 miles.

>tricky to get out of in a tight parking space
I don't think so - good visibility, it's a little wide so I don't park in tight soaces in the first place

>rear seats smaller than 997 possibly tricky for 14 yr old daughter (occasional use only)
I find the rear seats completely unusable. My son is 12 and porbably about 5'5" and can't sit comfortably. Test them out first. Never use mine - I got into the back once, very uncomfortable.

>hard to see the heater controls
Clear enough to me

>lack of odment storage
true - tiny glovebox. Everything else goes in the boot.

>I need to use the bluetooth phone and nav frequently
That works fine for me - not the best nav but not as bad as I had been led to believe.

>hard to read dash display for fuel, temp and tyres pressures
only in direct sunlight. Not too bad overall

>rear visibility for reverse parking
If you have the three packs won't that include the reverse camera and sensor? Mine has these, works well. Otherwise rear visibility is poor and would take some getting used to.


Overall, great cars. I have probably only seen three others on the road the last 14 months. Mine has been very cheap to run - just one service and rears have lasted 10,000 miles and just coming up to needing replacement now. Any other questions just ask.

blueg33

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35,590 posts

223 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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Thanks for the replies.

The car I have in mind, has reversing sensors but not the camera, I have asked the dealer to try and sort that out.

I am a bit worried about condensation, dealer said its water running down inside the doors and that they all do that! My car will have to live outside most of the time as my garage is rather tight and the risk of a scrape outweighs the negatives of exterior living. (My Alp is off to the body shop on friday as I have scraped both door mirrors since getting varifocals 3 weeks ago, Evora is a bit wider than the Alp)

limpsfield

5,871 posts

252 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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I think the sensors are more useful than the camera. Both are nice to have but given the choice of only one it would be the sensors for me.

I am not sure on condensation - mine only spends a couple of days a month outside and I haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary.

I have just seen your old thread on depreciation vs 911. I think the Evora will be the better bet although of course I am biased. I had an Elise for four years - two years old when bought and sold it for about 10% less than I paid for it. I think Lotus hit a level and are then pretty stable, but less of a market for them so you may have to be patient to shift it.

I think the only thing that would swing me to a 911 was if I couldn't avoid parking in really really tight spaces every day. The 911 seems smaller but that may be an optical illusion... I know the 911 is a great car but I do think the Evoras are a little bit different and a bit more special if you like that sort of thing.

Frimley111R

15,538 posts

233 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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I have a camera on mine but hardly use it tbh, the sensors are easier and its a bit odd looking at the dashboard while going backward.

Door seals (mostly membranes) have been an issue on a number of cars. If it is steaming up more than it should water IS getting in. Be 100% sure before buying.

Rear seats are tiny but you can squeeze a person behind the passenger.

The Alpine unit is, apparently, not all the good but you can replace with something better for a few hundred. Just factor that in hte price.

The main practical issue for me is the door access. Parking can be challenging!

blueg33

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35,590 posts

223 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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limpsfield said:
I think the sensors are more useful than the camera. Both are nice to have but given the choice of only one it would be the sensors for me.

I am not sure on condensation - mine only spends a couple of days a month outside and I haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary.

I have just seen your old thread on depreciation vs 911. I think the Evora will be the better bet although of course I am biased. I had an Elise for four years - two years old when bought and sold it for about 10% less than I paid for it. I think Lotus hit a level and are then pretty stable, but less of a market for them so you may have to be patient to shift it.

I think the only thing that would swing me to a 911 was if I couldn't avoid parking in really really tight spaces every day. The 911 seems smaller but that may be an optical illusion... I know the 911 is a great car but I do think the Evoras are a little bit different and a bit more special if you like that sort of thing.
I had come to the conclusion that the Evora probably won't go as low as a 997 will so depreciation should be better.

I regularly park at station car parks so will just have to select spaces with care. I have to get in and out in a suit!

Toaster

2,938 posts

192 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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blueg33 said:
I have to get in and out in a suit!
?? my wife gets in and out of the Evora in nice skirts and decent heels sometimes in front of a packed pub or restaurant , no exposure or falling over so you should be OK in a suit smile

blueg33

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35,590 posts

223 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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Toaster said:
?? my wife gets in and out of the Evora in nice skirts and decent heels sometimes in front of a packed pub or restaurant , no exposure or falling over so you should be OK in a suit smile
I was mainly concerned about the door not opening all that wide and me having to brush against a potentially dirty car. Not a big issue though.

Do the cars get any niggly rattles etc?

Frimley111R

15,538 posts

233 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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Not in my experience. Even when I has driving one of the very early models, although the material quality wasn't great, the build itself seemed very solid.

alex_gray255

6,313 posts

204 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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Don't know if this helps...

I have (or had as just recently disposed of it) a 2012 reg 911 Carrera PDK which I used as a backup to my Evora being
off the road.

The 911 is more clunky to drive than the Evora, i.e. feels bigger and not quite so nimble.
The seating space in the back is about the same (i.e. need your legs cut off)
The 911 has more kit, but interferes more when driving (i.e. jerks the steering wheel)
The 911 is quicker and accelerates better
The 911 paddle shift system is st when compared to the IPS
The 911 ICE is better, the Evora one is crap
The 911 has more gadgets, but you don't use them

In general, I found the Evora better to drive, but the 911 was more solid.

I still have the Evora, the 911 is now gone.

CTE

1,488 posts

239 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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My 2011 car has been used in all weathers on a number of occasions and the only slight complaint has been that the interior mists up quite quickly, but is easily cleared with the demister. No leaks etc...and is easily the best car I have ever driven in the wet! Not really interested in gadgets and gizmos...reversing sensors would be useful occasionally...never had any issues with seeing the dashboard info?

I would agree the perception is that the car is not as solidly built as a 911, but then what is...err well other than cars that resemble tanks? My missus`s 2003 Ford Focus is hardly a solid build (the shell is pretty good though), but it just keeps going and going.
My drivers seat has developed a squeak which is a bit annoying on poor surfaces, but they are simple enough to fix apparently.

Cars that are used regularly tend to be more reliable.

C43

666 posts

197 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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use my NA every day, about 50 miles a day so thought you might like my comments.

blueg33 said:
I am looking at an Evora as a daily driver (other choice is a 997), but I do 15k miles a year. The 997 is pretty well build and niggle free (ignoring bore scoring etc which is more than a niggle).

What niggles does the Evora have, driving it daily I will notice them more. My Tuscan had loads of niggles but I only did 5k miles a year so could live with them.

I am looking at a n/a car with the 3 packs and a recent clutch (replaced under warranty). I have driven it, and without doubt its the best road car I have driven.

My current concerns about practicality are as follows: (ie where the b997 is better)

tricky to get out of in a tight parking space - not noticed this but I always drive mid engined cars, I have the rear camera and use it a lot.
rear seats smaller than 997 possibly tricky for 14 yr old daughter (occasional use only). my 13 year old son fits ok.
hard to see the heater controls - agree, you get used to it.
lack of odment storage - the door bins hold quite a lot.
I need to use the bluetooth phone and nav frequently - the Pioneer unit is great and works with my HTC well and sat nav great.
hard to read dash display for fuel, temp and tyres pressures - yet to find a car where the tyre pressure reading is worth it. Agree regarding fuel level and temp.
rear visibility for reverse parking - camera. I think when you get in any mid engined car you always look behind before getting in to see what is behind you.

In terms of niggles so far I have noticed:

condensation on drivers door window (carpets were all dry)
sport mode button u/s on one car


I am looking at pre my12 cars wilth mileage of 20k and under. - that is what mine is at. to drive it is still epic and no rattles at all. They really are great cars.

Thanks in advance

(nb, I have trawled the forums but though I would ask my questions and put my comments in one place)

blueg33

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35,590 posts

223 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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Thanks folks

I have now started p-ex discussions with the dealer.

Neal H

320 posts

193 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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Mines a daily driver, but lives in the garage. it is quite a wide car, but fits in my single garage (which also has my motorbike in there) perfectly okay. The trick to getting out is to push the drivers seat right back first.

Mines a 2010 na, I've had it 5 months and added about 4k miles (total now 28500)and it's been fantastic. The interior quality may not be up there with 911's, but it's perfectly acceptable and mine doesn't squeak or rattle.

Niggles? The dashboard is hard to see in bright sunlight, the heater is barely adequate, the rear visibility is very poor, the sat nav can lose it's sense of direction and the Bluetooth sometimes refuses to work (these last two require a reset to bring back to life).

None of these things matter though as soon as you start to drive it.

alex_gray255

6,313 posts

204 months

Tuesday 4th February 2014
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I would suggest getting a rear camera and parking sensors put in. Overcomes any issues with backing up.

The issues with visors can be fixed with a cheap extension from the US.

ICE issues require a replacement of the Alphine system which is pretty crap.

Sumsion

277 posts

171 months

Tuesday 4th February 2014
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If you can afford to pay more look at a MY12 car

blueg33

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35,590 posts

223 months

Tuesday 4th February 2014
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Budget is £35k. If anyone has an MY12 for sale then please pm me smile

Plus anyone with an earlier car in orange or blue with tech and sport packs.

Toaster

2,938 posts

192 months

Tuesday 4th February 2014
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blueg33 said:
Budget is £35k. If anyone has an MY12 for sale then please pm me smile

Plus anyone with an earlier car in orange or blue with tech and sport packs.
These are rare cars there are two 2011 models under £40K one at £37, one at £39K the rest are over £40K there are 8 cars between 2009-2010 ranging from £29K to £33K

You may need to adjust the buget or be lucky I think these cars are going to become a little like the Europa S in the early days you could pick one up fairly cheaply £21-£23K now £17K £18,500 and £23K they have become rarer and more desirable and as there are no longer managers cars these Evora's are few and far between and a fantastic drive forget the talk of trim issues they are no where nearly as bad as people sometimes say it is otherwise these cars would creak and rattle

EnjyBenjy

924 posts

252 months

Tuesday 4th February 2014
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There's always the Cat D 'S' at £29K?

blueg33

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223 months

Tuesday 4th February 2014
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EnjyBenjy said:
There's always the Cat D 'S' at £29K?
Don't fancy that! Its not like the construction is conventional, so how can I be sure its been repaired properly