How long till the £20k Evora?
Discussion
The Wookie said:
Frimley111R said:
Its all about the interior tbh, the rest is the same (there are other changes but you won't se/notice them). Despite claims of improved build I don't think my car is any better than a pre MY12 car.
I'd agree with that, although I'd also add the gearshift as it is significantly better in my experience of them. Aside from the doors clunking shut a bit more authoritatively it hasn't been any better for minor rattles and fiddly faults. Neither car (touch wood) had any major reliability concerns apart from the pre-recall oil leak.The interior does look nicer and has worn much better though.
superdave said:
http://www.deroure.com/diagrams.asp?TBL=5650&MAK=1&MDL=20&SMA=0&SMO=0&ST=&SC=0You want items 44,45 and 34a and a new cable tie.
Can't say I noticed a difference in the gear change, but it is effing cold at the moment, but once warmed up is much nicer.
Edited by Boogs on Friday 30th January 17:57
Boogs said:
superdave said:
http://www.deroure.com/diagrams.asp?TBL=5650&MAK=1&MDL=20&SMA=0&SMO=0&ST=&SC=0You want items 44,45 and 34a and a new cable tie.
Can't say I noticed a difference in the gear change, but it is effing cold at the moment, but once warmed up is much nicer.
Edited by Boogs on Friday 30th January 17:57
My Tuscan had an aluminium one similar tio the sports racer item. It used to get too hot to touch......
Can someone please double check my Man-maths? Unless the used market changes massively, would I be right in assuming that a 2013 car bought now, and well looked after for 3 years, would in 2018 be worth roughly what at 2010 car is worth now?
Also would a car less than 3 years still be under warranty with the factory/Lotus, rather than with the dealer that sold it?
Also would a car less than 3 years still be under warranty with the factory/Lotus, rather than with the dealer that sold it?
Don`t know about your man maths but it would be true to say the cars seem to depreciate about 2/3K p.a. (after the initial hit) depending upon usage etc. Also we do not know the effect that the new version might have. You`d expect they would have to up the new price, but this can`t be by much otherwise it will not be competitive...and if so any current spec new cars sitting around will be hard to shift.
It is hard to determine where the cars will eventually bottom out? I guess longer term they may be seen as a potentially very expenisve liability, but on the other hand they may prove to be very solid long term (apart from trim etc) which I think will be the case. Like everything it is all down to supply and demand...
I paid just under £40k for my S+0 about 2 1/2 years ago. Guess I`ll get £33-35k for it now...quite acceptable I think.
The warranty is from Lotus not the dealer...however the dealer or you should notify Lotus of the change of ownership.
It is hard to determine where the cars will eventually bottom out? I guess longer term they may be seen as a potentially very expenisve liability, but on the other hand they may prove to be very solid long term (apart from trim etc) which I think will be the case. Like everything it is all down to supply and demand...
I paid just under £40k for my S+0 about 2 1/2 years ago. Guess I`ll get £33-35k for it now...quite acceptable I think.
The warranty is from Lotus not the dealer...however the dealer or you should notify Lotus of the change of ownership.
CTE said:
Don`t know about your man maths but it would be true to say the cars seem to depreciate about 2/3K p.a. (after the initial hit) depending upon usage etc. Also we do not know the effect that the new version might have. You`d expect they would have to up the new price, but this can`t be by much otherwise it will not be competitive...and if so any current spec new cars sitting around will be hard to shift.
It is hard to determine where the cars will eventually bottom out? I guess longer term they may be seen as a potentially very expenisve liability, but on the other hand they may prove to be very solid long term (apart from trim etc) which I think will be the case. Like everything it is all down to supply and demand...
I paid just under £40k for my S+0 about 2 1/2 years ago. Guess I`ll get £33-35k for it now...quite acceptable I think.
The warranty is from Lotus not the dealer...however the dealer or you should notify Lotus of the change of ownership.
If it was a +2 I would def give you £35 depending on mileage and specIt is hard to determine where the cars will eventually bottom out? I guess longer term they may be seen as a potentially very expenisve liability, but on the other hand they may prove to be very solid long term (apart from trim etc) which I think will be the case. Like everything it is all down to supply and demand...
I paid just under £40k for my S+0 about 2 1/2 years ago. Guess I`ll get £33-35k for it now...quite acceptable I think.
The warranty is from Lotus not the dealer...however the dealer or you should notify Lotus of the change of ownership.
Therein lies a dilemma for me.
I don't need a +2, and to be honest for my use a .0 would do me better in being able to throw 2 suitcases in the back for European jaunts. Yes, I can put them on the seats but either risk damaging the leather or remove the velcroed seat base but it looks a bit, well, s
t and more incomplete than a Lotus already looks inside.
But buying a .0 appears to restrict the market resale wise by a fairly large margin and price differences don't seem to be that remarkable between a .0 and a +2 to even have the benefit of ££s in my pocket at purchase and sell it equally cheap at resale.
I really, really don't want to sell my Exige and doing so begrudgingly means its even harder to be excitedly shopping for the replacement - the fact that the .0 cars seem to be priced within a whisker of the +2 cars isn't helping matters. And then there is the small issue of the Aston V8V being at a similar price point...hmm.
I don't need a +2, and to be honest for my use a .0 would do me better in being able to throw 2 suitcases in the back for European jaunts. Yes, I can put them on the seats but either risk damaging the leather or remove the velcroed seat base but it looks a bit, well, s
t and more incomplete than a Lotus already looks inside.But buying a .0 appears to restrict the market resale wise by a fairly large margin and price differences don't seem to be that remarkable between a .0 and a +2 to even have the benefit of ££s in my pocket at purchase and sell it equally cheap at resale.
I really, really don't want to sell my Exige and doing so begrudgingly means its even harder to be excitedly shopping for the replacement - the fact that the .0 cars seem to be priced within a whisker of the +2 cars isn't helping matters. And then there is the small issue of the Aston V8V being at a similar price point...hmm.
I bet if I went to a dealer to p/x my Evora, after much humming and harring and all the excuses in the world by the dealer, I would be offered less due to it being a +0, but I would not mind because I paid less for it.
No doubt you could push a dealer/private to get a better price with the same arguments. If it is for sale, then they want to sell it.
No doubt you could push a dealer/private to get a better price with the same arguments. If it is for sale, then they want to sell it.
Shnozz said:
Therein lies a dilemma for me.
I don't need a +2, and to be honest for my use a .0 would do me better in being able to throw 2 suitcases in the back for European jaunts. Yes, I can put them on the seats but either risk damaging the leather or remove the velcroed seat base but it looks a bit, well, st and more incomplete than a Lotus already looks inside.
But buying a .0 appears to restrict the market resale wise by a fairly large margin and price differences don't seem to be that remarkable between a .0 and a +2 to even have the benefit of ££s in my pocket at purchase and sell it equally cheap at resale.
I really, really don't want to sell my Exige and doing so begrudgingly means its even harder to be excitedly shopping for the replacement - the fact that the .0 cars seem to be priced within a whisker of the +2 cars isn't helping matters. And then there is the small issue of the Aston V8V being at a similar price point...hmm.
I've owned the V8V and the Evora - V8V has fantastic pull/torque, but is better to look at than to drive (I had the N400 i.e. sportier version). Evora is fantastic in comparison.I don't need a +2, and to be honest for my use a .0 would do me better in being able to throw 2 suitcases in the back for European jaunts. Yes, I can put them on the seats but either risk damaging the leather or remove the velcroed seat base but it looks a bit, well, s
t and more incomplete than a Lotus already looks inside.But buying a .0 appears to restrict the market resale wise by a fairly large margin and price differences don't seem to be that remarkable between a .0 and a +2 to even have the benefit of ££s in my pocket at purchase and sell it equally cheap at resale.
I really, really don't want to sell my Exige and doing so begrudgingly means its even harder to be excitedly shopping for the replacement - the fact that the .0 cars seem to be priced within a whisker of the +2 cars isn't helping matters. And then there is the small issue of the Aston V8V being at a similar price point...hmm.
If you're looking then I'm going to sell my Evora S (not washed and polished ready for pics yet, but will be in next week or so, so contact me if you're interested - MY2011, Diamond Cut Alloys, MY12 Gear cables/linkages/knob, all other known warranty issues sorted 2+2 and rear seat does remove easily to give a flat surface.
Shnozz, for all but the most dedicated track day the Evora is light years better than an Exige. Yes the ride, comfort and practicality is better in the Evora (no st shirlock) but also the amount you can play with the car on the average cross country bumpy British road.
just my opinion
C43
t shirlock) but also the amount you can play with the car on the average cross country bumpy British road. just my opinion
C43
C43 said:
Shnozz, for all but the most dedicated track day the Evora is light years better than an Exige. Yes the ride, comfort and practicality is better in the Evora (no st shirlock) but also the amount you can play with the car on the average cross country bumpy British road.
just my opinion
C43
+1 so thats 2 x opinions t shirlock) but also the amount you can play with the car on the average cross country bumpy British road. just my opinion
C43
CTE said:
What are you replacing your Evora with...out of interest. Do you use it as your daily car?
Considering a 2006/7 M5 for about £15k to £18k. Releases some capital for moving house and never owned a powerful saloon, so might as well try one of the best. Will go back to a Lotus probably in 12 months or so (or perhaps a Maserati GranTurismo).Evora is used as a daily driver.
Toaster said:
C43 said:
Shnozz, for all but the most dedicated track day the Evora is light years better than an Exige. Yes the ride, comfort and practicality is better in the Evora (no st shirlock) but also the amount you can play with the car on the average cross country bumpy British road.
just my opinion
C43
+1 so thats 2 x opinions t shirlock) but also the amount you can play with the car on the average cross country bumpy British road. just my opinion
C43
Mr Overheads said:
CTE said:
What are you replacing your Evora with...out of interest. Do you use it as your daily car?
Considering a 2006/7 M5 for about £15k to £18k. Releases some capital for moving house and never owned a powerful saloon, so might as well try one of the best. Will go back to a Lotus probably in 12 months or so (or perhaps a Maserati GranTurismo).Evora is used as a daily driver.
blueg33 said:
Toaster said:
C43 said:
Shnozz, for all but the most dedicated track day the Evora is light years better than an Exige. Yes the ride, comfort and practicality is better in the Evora (no st shirlock) but also the amount you can play with the car on the average cross country bumpy British road.
just my opinion
C43
+1 so thats 2 x opinions t shirlock) but also the amount you can play with the car on the average cross country bumpy British road. just my opinion
C43
I have yet to drive mine on track. However got a passenger ride in an Evora NA at Castle during the Lotus festival there and nothing else out there could live with it. I am sure this was a lot to do with the driver but it does show they are good on track as well.
What I like is just how much you can drift the car around on the road. The last month of winter driving has been pretty special!
C43
What I like is just how much you can drift the car around on the road. The last month of winter driving has been pretty special!
C43
C43 said:
I have yet to drive mine on track. However got a passenger ride in an Evora NA at Castle during the Lotus festival there and nothing else out there could live with it. I am sure this was a lot to do with the driver but it does show they are good on track as well.
What I like is just how much you can drift the car around on the road. The last month of winter driving has been pretty special!
C43
Hey Christian - think that was me in the yellow one, thanks for the compliment! What I like is just how much you can drift the car around on the road. The last month of winter driving has been pretty special!
C43
They are indeed very good on track - in the wet or dry, just great fun. I have had mine now for just over 3 years, coming from a 200hp 111R with Exige suspension upgrade. Without doubt, the Evora is the quicker car across country on B roads, as well as being far more practical and comfy.
Phil - Re the +0, or +2 debate, I purposely went for the +0 as I knew I was never going to carry anyone in the back - kids all grown up! I also thought the rear shelf with luggage retainer would come in handy for longer jaunts- and it has, many times. Have done LeMans classic in it twice and it can carry a huge amount of stuff. Had the car fridge on the rear shelf plugged in on both trips, and there's still room for loads more. I certainly wouldn't buy a +2 just for the resale reason - especially if you know you're not going to carry rear seat passengers anyway. Last year I even had to increase my mileage, as being more useable, I have done just that. If you are ever down Chepstow / Bristol area, then give me a shout.
Can anyone tell me what the various option packs cost on a new car? There's quite a variation in kit on the used ones, and I'd like to get a feel for how good value cars with different specs are...
Is there any real difference between a Sports Racer 'S' and an 'S' with the Tech + Premium packs?
Ta.
Is there any real difference between a Sports Racer 'S' and an 'S' with the Tech + Premium packs?
Ta.
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