New 400hp Evora
Discussion
jayemm89 said:
i find it very interesting how many people (mostly existing Evora owners) don't seem keen on the new 400's looks. Personally I think it's worlds better over the old car, outside and in.
I think it's a split decision. The 410 in yellow looks a bit of a mess but probably looks great in black or carbon. I prefer the 400 to the old car outside but am in Lear on the inside. blueg33 said:
I think it's a split decision. The 410 in yellow looks a bit of a mess but probably looks great in black or carbon. I prefer the 400 to the old car outside but am in Lear on the inside.
I think the rear end looks better than the previous model, can't make my mind up about the front.I have the Evora S sport racer IPS in Daytona blue, now should I or not have a 400/410 this September, can't make my mind up again.
I can see the benefits of the 400 over the older model but to me (existing s sr owner) the older model has smoother better looking lines that I think will age better than the more angled 400. Also, while I do like the 400 the bumpers almost cheapens the look of the car for me. Also the interior of the sr with the suedetex really adds a sense of occasion for me. If I ever move to a 400 it would have to have the alcantara pack.
Edited by stuno1 on Sunday 6th March 16:59
I think this is similar discussion to the change from the series 1 Elise to the series 2 in terms of styling . I prefer the series 1 Elise for the rounded contours against the angular series 2 . I also believe colours influence people's likes/dislikes of a particular model . So I am with the original Evora styling against the 400. Liquid Blue is my favourite Evora colour ( this is very much influenced by my wife's choice ,not just in cars but everything else ...... )
I personally think the 400 is less aesthetically easy on the eye - too many angles and straight edges. In terms of whether its moved the game on, the performance certainly has, but I can't help but feel its been made more hardcore. The specific selling point to me of the Evora when moving from my old Exige was the usability aspect. The 400 seems to have harder suspension, sportier/harder seats, the raucous exhaust tone etc. It seems to have moved from a nice balance for a GT car to be more in the category of out and out sports car. I'd take the V6 Exige if I wanted hardcore. In that regard, for what I want from the car, the earlier car fits my needs better.
Sumsion said:
More comments like that will help support the used values !!!!
I guess its simply a different proposition and unlikely to effect folk willing to drop £72k on a new car. If the Evora 400 isn't for them, its unlikely they would decide to but a 4 - 5 year old series 1 at half that price. More likely they would just look to another GT car in the £70k bracket.The used values look fairly static and have done for a while. It'll be interesting to see what happens in terms of the price point where you have a late S/C series 1 close to the earliest 400's.
Shnozz said:
I guess its simply a different proposition and unlikely to effect folk willing to drop £72k on a new car. If the Evora 400 isn't for them, its unlikely they would decide to but a 4 - 5 year old series 1 at half that price. More likely they would just look to another GT car in the £70k bracket.
The used values look fairly static and have done for a while. It'll be interesting to see what happens in terms of the price point where you have a late S/C series 1 close to the earliest 400's.
That's the key. When the 400 gets to within 5k of the series 1 sr will all prices hold or will earlier models decrease. Lotus price history suggests the former. The used values look fairly static and have done for a while. It'll be interesting to see what happens in terms of the price point where you have a late S/C series 1 close to the earliest 400's.
All interesting points . I think the numbers of series 1 Evora's will aviod the scarcity value , for example the S1 Exige ( I paid £30k new sold the car for £17.5 k and it probably worth north of the purchase price ) however there will be a bottom price for good quality cars high spec at the current levels . Probably lead to a two tier pricing structure for S1 and S2 . In theory my current S IPS should last another 5 years ......
I think the Evora 400 is what the original Evora should have been design wise. The scoop based front gives it a more supercar look like a Superlegerra Gallardo and 458 Speciale. I also love what did to the rear especially the spoiler.
The Evora pre the 400 looks soft and bland. I think the SR improved this blandness to a minimum acceptable level but the 400 is the benchmark looking Evora. Its a shame that it has emerged about 5 years too late. Many have looked passed the Evora due to the original bland design.
The Evora pre the 400 looks soft and bland. I think the SR improved this blandness to a minimum acceptable level but the 400 is the benchmark looking Evora. Its a shame that it has emerged about 5 years too late. Many have looked passed the Evora due to the original bland design.
Edited by Audemars on Monday 14th March 16:22
Edited by Audemars on Monday 14th March 16:22
Audemars said:
Many have looked passed the Evora due to the original bland design.
Its a perspective but having had my poverty model 2+0 NA for a period of time I disagree, there were a number of factors affecting the new sales all fairly well documented and discussed, I can't see many blaming the styling at the time being one of them.As for the new styling yes its a little more aggressive and appeals to some but like art it won't appeal to all.
Oh and I think as most owners will tell you people always look at the car it draws attention so it can't be that bland !
Not the most flattering background from a PH meet at the weekend but the bland Evora does seem to get necks craning more than anything I've owned before. Perhaps its the rarity value. It certainly draws attention, and that's without any daft exhaust.
https://www.facebook.com/Richsgarages/photos/a.166...
https://www.facebook.com/Richsgarages/photos/a.166...
Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder and all that.
The photo that I linked to (in which the supercar comment was made) was in fact taken by a PHer with a whole host of supercars; he's recently acquired a mate of mine's former 458 Speciale in fact. I can only refer to his comments.
Personally, I think:-
1. That the Evora 400 is a step back in the styling department and looks more Halfords and less "supercar".
2. That neither car have the aesthetics of a supercar.
The closest comparable I can see from the supercar world is the Macca MP4, and in aesthetic terms that isn't much of a compliment.
Either way, the public reaction is very much one of neck-craning. Make of that what you will. I've no doubt the 400 evokes a similar reaction.
The photo that I linked to (in which the supercar comment was made) was in fact taken by a PHer with a whole host of supercars; he's recently acquired a mate of mine's former 458 Speciale in fact. I can only refer to his comments.
Personally, I think:-
1. That the Evora 400 is a step back in the styling department and looks more Halfords and less "supercar".
2. That neither car have the aesthetics of a supercar.
The closest comparable I can see from the supercar world is the Macca MP4, and in aesthetic terms that isn't much of a compliment.
Either way, the public reaction is very much one of neck-craning. Make of that what you will. I've no doubt the 400 evokes a similar reaction.
Wiki has a good enough definition of what a Supercar is and Lotus Models would fit in to at least one category
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercar
A supercar is a very expensive and high-performance sports car or grand tourer.[1][2] The term is used in marketing by automakers for unusual, high-end vehicles, and has been used to refer to at least four different sorts of cars:
Limited-production specials from an "elite" automaker[3]
Standard-looking cars modified for power and performance[3]
Models that appeal to enthusiasts, from smaller manufacturers[3]
One-of-a-kind "showcase" project vehicles built by custom car retrofitters (usually extensively modified collectible muscle cars or grand tourers updated to the latest "streetable" racing technology).[4][5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercar
A supercar is a very expensive and high-performance sports car or grand tourer.[1][2] The term is used in marketing by automakers for unusual, high-end vehicles, and has been used to refer to at least four different sorts of cars:
Limited-production specials from an "elite" automaker[3]
Standard-looking cars modified for power and performance[3]
Models that appeal to enthusiasts, from smaller manufacturers[3]
One-of-a-kind "showcase" project vehicles built by custom car retrofitters (usually extensively modified collectible muscle cars or grand tourers updated to the latest "streetable" racing technology).[4][5]
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