Viewing Evora on Wednesday HELP!
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£1K Service - depends where you are, but South East a standard Dealer service is upwards of £450, it is (over) due a big one including Fluids = £750/£800 then add the spark plugs.
5 year service on My N/A was £5/600 from memory at an independent and did not include the plugs as they are a 6 year item.
Add that lot up and it is the best part of £1K. If however you are in Scotland then yes, I am hearing of major services at £400ish at indies - but still add the plugs - which are expensive.
5 year service on My N/A was £5/600 from memory at an independent and did not include the plugs as they are a 6 year item.
Add that lot up and it is the best part of £1K. If however you are in Scotland then yes, I am hearing of major services at £400ish at indies - but still add the plugs - which are expensive.
johnwilliams77 said:
For me: 23k tops as the lack of service history / clutch replacement will make it a very hard sell.
Give the seller a break. It recently had a new clutch, he said that he will MOT it and he'll get the stone chips sorted:"51727 - 5/8/15 - Hofmann of Henley - (new clutch fitted £3849.86)
Overall the car is in great condition and a real head turner. Downsides are the few stonechips to the front bumper and one small chip to the boot lid (see photos). However I am more than happy to get these sorted before sale if the buyer requested, as well as new MOT at no extra cost. "
£22/23k is still a serious lowball. I reckon he'll sell at £25k.
Boogs said:
£1K Service - depends where you are, but South East a standard Dealer service is upwards of £450, it is (over) due a big one including Fluids = £750/£800 then add the spark plugs.
5 year service on My N/A was £5/600 from memory at an independent and did not include the plugs as they are a 6 year item.
Add that lot up and it is the best part of £1K. If however you are in Scotland then yes, I am hearing of major services at £400ish at indies - but still add the plugs - which are expensive.
I sourced the plugs myself, they cost £95 ish and Lotus installed them.5 year service on My N/A was £5/600 from memory at an independent and did not include the plugs as they are a 6 year item.
Add that lot up and it is the best part of £1K. If however you are in Scotland then yes, I am hearing of major services at £400ish at indies - but still add the plugs - which are expensive.
The "big service" on my n/a evora was under £600 plus plugs supplied by me. (Lotus Silverstone)
On that milage, the car is probably close to needing discs and pads all round, that is the best part of £1k with Lotus parts or about £600 ish if you get the discs from the Elise Shop online. The Elise shop discs are better than the lotus ones as the hub part is painted and doesn't go rusty!
Do not get pads from anyone other than Lotus. The part numbers may be the same but ones supplied by Lotus have an added anti squeal/rattle pad on the back. Also you will need the caliper pins as on high mileage cars these will probably be damaged when pads are replaced
BravoV8V said:
Give the seller a break. It recently had a new clutch, he said that he will MOT it and he'll get the stone chips sorted:
"51727 - 5/8/15 - Hofmann of Henley - (new clutch fitted £3849.86)
Overall the car is in great condition and a real head turner. Downsides are the few stonechips to the front bumper and one small chip to the boot lid (see photos). However I am more than happy to get these sorted before sale if the buyer requested, as well as new MOT at no extra cost. "
£22/23k is still a serious lowball. I reckon he'll sell at £25k.
Nothing to do with the seller, it's what I would pay for the car given the condition and work required."51727 - 5/8/15 - Hofmann of Henley - (new clutch fitted £3849.86)
Overall the car is in great condition and a real head turner. Downsides are the few stonechips to the front bumper and one small chip to the boot lid (see photos). However I am more than happy to get these sorted before sale if the buyer requested, as well as new MOT at no extra cost. "
£22/23k is still a serious lowball. I reckon he'll sell at £25k.
Reference queries over the £1k service.....
Silverstone do seem to be vey reasonable with their pricing, but to some of us they are too far away.
Unless B&C have revised their pricing since I last used them (they don't publish prices) the major service excluding spark plugs was £750 incl SELOC discount.
Hofmann (who I now use) standard service is £450, published on their website, gearbox oil £139, coolant £130, Brake fluid £70.
http://www.hofmanns.co.uk/servicing/lotus/s1-elise...
So I entirely accept my prices for service may have been OTT in relation to others experiences, however this is more a matter of geography.
Hofmann are quoted on this car as having done the clutch at £3800, Silverstone I am aware charge £2500, so this would alsotend to support the differences between your experience of service costs and my own.
Silverstone do seem to be vey reasonable with their pricing, but to some of us they are too far away.
Unless B&C have revised their pricing since I last used them (they don't publish prices) the major service excluding spark plugs was £750 incl SELOC discount.
Hofmann (who I now use) standard service is £450, published on their website, gearbox oil £139, coolant £130, Brake fluid £70.
http://www.hofmanns.co.uk/servicing/lotus/s1-elise...
So I entirely accept my prices for service may have been OTT in relation to others experiences, however this is more a matter of geography.
Hofmann are quoted on this car as having done the clutch at £3800, Silverstone I am aware charge £2500, so this would alsotend to support the differences between your experience of service costs and my own.
Edited by Boogs on Thursday 9th February 18:52
johnwilliams77 said:
Is it your car? Not sure why this is such a sensitive subject for you.
blueg33 said:
I wondered the same
Really? You're not very observant then. Try clicking on my profile. There's bit of a clue there.I'm not sensitive about it at all. I just seem to be one of the few people on this thread who has have taken a few seconds to actually read the seller's description. Many of the OP's points (clutch, paintwork, MOT, etc) are already covered. So, on that basis, the seller has been getting an unfairly hard time and talk of a £22/23k value are just lowball offers.
BravoV8V said:
The black roof, wing mirrors and other bits aren't bit of a giveaway??!? 
Until last week the car on my profile wasn't my current one, many people have out of date profile pics.You are very touchy on this subject, why?
From the description given, some people differ in opinion from you as to value. Seems an odd thing to get stroppy about unless you have a vested interest in the car, if you have just say so!
Edited by blueg33 on Thursday 9th February 21:30
BravoV8V - I prefer your car when it had the black bits, colour coded door handles and most importantly the supercharger 
You need to understand that it's Pistonheads prerogative to talk down the value of other's cars especially those they haven't seen, driven or even read the description properly
There is a lot of inaccuracies on this thread in regard to spec of the Evora and what is and isn't included at a point of time. To the OP - reading between the lines you seem to be after a bargain Evora, if that's the case you going to be disappointed either way. If you are serious you should get yourself over to TLF where there is a bigger audience of Evora owners who will give you a lot of valuable information and potentially a seller and/or even the previous owner of this particular Evora. Good luck either way.
Blueg33 - I do think you sold yours particularly cheap on the face of it.
You need to understand that it's Pistonheads prerogative to talk down the value of other's cars especially those they haven't seen, driven or even read the description properly
There is a lot of inaccuracies on this thread in regard to spec of the Evora and what is and isn't included at a point of time. To the OP - reading between the lines you seem to be after a bargain Evora, if that's the case you going to be disappointed either way. If you are serious you should get yourself over to TLF where there is a bigger audience of Evora owners who will give you a lot of valuable information and potentially a seller and/or even the previous owner of this particular Evora. Good luck either way.
Blueg33 - I do think you sold yours particularly cheap on the face of it.
Dainty Ankles said:
Blueg33 - I do think you sold yours particularly cheap on the face of it.
I do think you are right, I got £1500 more than Aimee offered as part exchange. I needed a quick sale as the car I wanted had become available and Daytona Blue Sports Racers are not that common especially priced below £45k. So in the end I was happy enough although being paid in actual cash £20 notes wasn't good for my blood pressure!
One poster missed that the clutch had been done. Suggesting that other posters have not read the ad is not a valid conclusion from this.
The stand out thing is that the car has not met the service schedule and by a long way. This questions all other aspects of maintenance and how the car has been looked after. It sets the car apart from just about every other Evora out there. You don't need to view the car to see this. To me this is THE pertinent issue. The OP has visited and offered no explanation as to this (self maintained, any other proofs etc)
Given the apparent lack of attention to basic maintenance during ownership what quality of paint repair would you expect to be conducted when the sole purpose is to sell. Indeed regardless of this offer to sort out the issues how many people would arrange a private purchase subject to this that and the other being done - it doesn't happen. You pay your money and drive it away.
If the seller is prepared to meet this cost then it should have been done before the car went up for sale.
Anyway, regardless of any of these issues. The OP asked what we thought the car was worth and some of us have gone to some effort to explain how the opinion of value has been derived. Anyone is free to disagree or question.
At the end of the day, it is worth what someone will pay for it. I agree £22/£23 is low. I think someone will be prepared to stump up £24k, but personally I simply wouldn't buy it - I'd look for another and pay more. There are much better options at the similar price, and if you add the cost to bring this up to scratch you will save money by spending more in the first place.
We can have different opinions, can we please express them with some decorum and politeness to our fellow users. We manage it on TLF.
The stand out thing is that the car has not met the service schedule and by a long way. This questions all other aspects of maintenance and how the car has been looked after. It sets the car apart from just about every other Evora out there. You don't need to view the car to see this. To me this is THE pertinent issue. The OP has visited and offered no explanation as to this (self maintained, any other proofs etc)
Given the apparent lack of attention to basic maintenance during ownership what quality of paint repair would you expect to be conducted when the sole purpose is to sell. Indeed regardless of this offer to sort out the issues how many people would arrange a private purchase subject to this that and the other being done - it doesn't happen. You pay your money and drive it away.
If the seller is prepared to meet this cost then it should have been done before the car went up for sale.
Anyway, regardless of any of these issues. The OP asked what we thought the car was worth and some of us have gone to some effort to explain how the opinion of value has been derived. Anyone is free to disagree or question.
At the end of the day, it is worth what someone will pay for it. I agree £22/£23 is low. I think someone will be prepared to stump up £24k, but personally I simply wouldn't buy it - I'd look for another and pay more. There are much better options at the similar price, and if you add the cost to bring this up to scratch you will save money by spending more in the first place.
We can have different opinions, can we please express them with some decorum and politeness to our fellow users. We manage it on TLF.
BravoV8V said:
Argghhhh. Make it stop. 
I'm oot. Good luck with your lowballs.
Call it what you like - I personally know a couple of people who bought 2011 evoras for 25kish a year and two ago. I also know a few people who have struggled to sell for much higher. That is the basis of what I would pay (plus it needs money spent on it). It is still a great car for someone, even if they are willing to pay 25k (if the seller is not in dream world)I'm oot. Good luck with your lowballs.
I was getting very close to striking a deal with the owner when I re read the advert and then looked at sellers 'other items for sale' Turns out he's selling several other cars as well. So presumably he's a trader posing as a private seller. Don't know if that's illegal but it's certainly morally wrong. So not sure what to do about the car now.......?????
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