40k mark broken !

[Scuffers]

Tuna said:

Otherwise, it's a bit of a stuck record. You can have a three year old Cayman S for the same price as an Evora. So? In the intervening three years, Lotus have made huge strides in improving their model, how much has the Cayman changed?

Answer

The Cayman R

Mind you, at least you have stopped comparing it to a 911

[Tuna]

Scuffers said:

Mind you, at least you have stopped comparing it to a 911

I thought it was AutoExpress that did that?

[ravon]

Porsche have sat on their backsides and done nothing. Hang on a minute, was that a new direct injection engine, no it was two, 3.4 litre and 2.9 litre, then there was a double clutch ( not a mass produced bought-in slusher ) transaxle ( yes it's a proper mid engined car ), then of course there was revised styling. The quality was always very good so they didn't need to do much on that front. No wonder they are so unsuccessful.

[The Pits]

revised styling!



good one Ravon!

[Scuffers]

The Pits said:

revised styling!



good one Ravon!

you can scoff all you like, the fact of the matter is that Caymans are selling, Evora's aren't.

Look, it's all very well having a go at please (like me) who point out the holes in Lotus's marketing and management, but this really is missing the point, until they start to make the right cars that people are prepared to spend money on, it's pretty much meaningless.

to then try and slag off other makes that are clearly doing a better job is plain stupid.

rather than defend the indefensible, if you want to do something positive, lobby Lotus into doing the right thing and make cars people want.

The expression "the customer is always right" is the key one here.

[Tuna]

I wasn't actually trying to slag off Porsche there - my point was that a three year old Evora costs about the same as a three year old Cayman which will have cost about the same new. Given that the Evora was launched in a bit of a rush that's not bad going.

Hence the references to changes - I appreciate the Cayman has changed it's last letter, it's still basically the same proposition in terms of the things that matter to depreciation. In contrast, the Evora you get now is not the same as the Evora you got at launch.

[alex_gray255]

All IMHO, so happily ignore this if you want to as it is just an observation...

Didn't really want to join this discussion as it just seems to have gone the way of carA verses carB bashing. So I'll just make two minor points and then shut up.

1 - People buy the Evora because they want to. And being sensible adults I assume they have researched the options of other cars first and got the Evora for reasons distinct to themselves.
2 - All new cars depreciate between 30-60% over the first 4-5 years of their lives. It would have to be a very rare one not to.

Have fun with the following...
http://www.whatcar.com/car-depreciation-calculator...

As for me, I bought my car. I'm now driving my car. That's all I'm really interested in at the end of the day.

End of observation

Edited by alex_gray255 on Monday 27th February 15:13

[The Pits]

Huffers you laugh at Lotus aero claims

I laugh at porsche styling revisions

and your posts.



your last one was hilarious, particularly the idea that you think your bah humbug routine is actually helping Lotus!

Funny, with over 380 orders for the new Exige V6 already, that would appear to be a car which 'people want'.

So how come you're always slagging that one off as well?

Huffers and Ravon spotted at the theatre recently:



apparently the show was total st and a load of bks, nothing worked, the set fell to bits and the design was hopeless, actors were overweight and plot obselete. But they're going back next week anyway!

[Scuffers]

The Pits said:

Funny, with over 380 orders for the new Exige V6 already, that would appear to be a car which 'people want'.

Well, Mr. Pits, as usual time will tell...

I really hope that Lotus do have 380 orders for it, realistically, they need to sell 2-3,000 of them by Christmas to actually start to make some money.

[ravon]

With due respect Mr. Bahar has been fairly economical with the facts in the past, remember that unique "modular Lotus designed V8 engine" for the new Esprit that turned out to be not designed by Lotus at all, and to be an old German designed and German made ex-DTM project, as such the whole clever "Lotus modularity" is likely to be complete fantasy as generally purpose designed racing engines wouldn't have any consideration toward the compromises of being a V6 or an in-line 4. Whilst talking about this engine, part of the reason for the rejection of the Lexus V8 was it's lack of Lotus DNA, it would appear to me as a layman that this new unit has actually less, as at least way back when, Toyota did have a very close relationship with Lotus. Frankly I'm surprised Mr. Bahar hasn't got several thousand "orders" for Evora GTE and V6 Exige !

I'm fairly certain in an interview with Steve Cropley in Autocar a few months ago Bahar said lotus had made 2500 cars in 2011, the released number to the SMMT was a thousand short of that number, unfortunately I've lost my copy of that magazine, but I'm certain you Bahar believers will correct me ?

With regard to Cayman restyle, I missed out "mild" from my post, as must be obvious to you intellectuals, I'm an appallingly left-handed dyslexic, very prone to mistakes, but I do my best, and it's so amusing to try to contribute to these forums.

BTW The Pits, were you ever able to confirm your assertion that Evora's have "special" Camary engines ?

[Scuffers]

ravon said:

BTW The Pits, were you ever able to confirm your assertion that Evora's have "special" Camary engines ?

special?

only in that Toyota made that engine obsolete some time ago

[1981linley]

Scuffers said:

1981linley said:

Ahhhhhhhhhhh.....the shock that a car that once cost 50K is now only worth 30K

I would suggest though that it costs somewhat more than £50K to start with though.....

Read on within my original post...I think you will find I concede the James Bond car would probably come in at 60K with all the options, yet nevertheless has still retained a quite massive 50% of it's value after three years.