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The Vambo said:
simoid said:
To expand: it might be disconcerting that so many clubs have decided against borrowing money to improve their futures.
After all that you have been through, after all the money wasted you still don't get it??????????
Money. Is. Bad. For. Football.
EPl, flooded with cash, English football is on it's arse.
Late 1990's Scottish football has an ITV contract and more cash than ever, what did you get? Hans Eskilsson and Paul Bernard but no kids.
Unfortunately the idiots in-charge of the clubs in t the UK aren't mature enough to get the German way of both having money and spending it on the future.
Scottish football is thriving on Peter Pawlett, Stuart Armstrong and Kenny McLean while Ian Black and Kris Boyd satisfies your cravings and keeps your lot in the doldrums.
Edited by The Vambo on Friday 23 January 21:35
Edited by The Vambo on Friday 23 January 21:35
Money is bad for football? Utter tosh, it's only bad if you don't use it properly. Debt is no bad thing either. A lack of debt means less cash for investment in the future of our game - and could be strangling the game as much as too much debt.
Edited by simoid on Saturday 24th January 13:03
simoid said:
I didn't spot your apology for the retard comment either.
A lack of debt means less cash for investment in the future of our game - and could be strangling the game as much as too much debt.
That's because there wasn't one, it was a retarded post and so was the nest one.A lack of debt means less cash for investment in the future of our game - and could be strangling the game as much as too much debt.
Edited by simoid on Saturday 24th January 13:03
Go ask Dundee Utd if it was better back when when they were in debt to the bank, who then made them sell any player for the first pathetic offer made.
simoid said:
The Vambo said:
simoid said:
To expand: it might be disconcerting that so many clubs have decided against borrowing money to improve their futures.
After all that you have been through, after all the money wasted you still don't get it??????????
Money. Is. Bad. For. Football.
EPl, flooded with cash, English football is on it's arse.
Late 1990's Scottish football has an ITV contract and more cash than ever, what did you get? Hans Eskilsson and Paul Bernard but no kids.
Unfortunately the idiots in-charge of the clubs in t the UK aren't mature enough to get the German way of both having money and spending it on the future.
Scottish football is thriving on Peter Pawlett, Stuart Armstrong and Kenny McLean while Ian Black and Kris Boyd satisfies your cravings and keeps your lot in the doldrums.
Edited by The Vambo on Friday 23 January 21:35
Edited by The Vambo on Friday 23 January 21:35
Money is bad for football? Utter tosh, it's only bad if you don't use it properly. Debt is no bad thing either. A lack of debt means less cash for investment in the future of our game - and could be strangling the game as much as too much debt.
Edited by simoid on Saturday 24th January 13:03
After Rangers were liquidated the new club was given the chance to start again. The problem was they still had the big team mentality thinking they were bigger than they were.
Throughout the entire process of liquidation the support blamed everyone else for things that was nothing to do with them. The victim mentality was way too strong.
I've no idea why they felt hard done to for not being allowed to start in the Premiership after liquidation as if nothing at all happened?
I'm sure many football supporters took an interest to see how they would get on in the circumstances, but they didn't make themselves an attractive side to watch. Not only have they been dire to watch for three years on the park, the behaviour of the fans and members of the club off it has been deplorable.
They spent too much time concerned with trying to cause other clubs harm, boycott this, protest about that and basically throwing their weight about into things that had absolutely nothing to do with them. Their club was already in a mess and they were still more concerned with harming Scottish football than building their own club.
Roll forward three years and nothing is better. Just crook after crook and money grabbers doing all they can to line their own pockets. They've all managed that very well.
There has been substantial money raised and the club has made no progress. The vast amount of money promised to repair and upgrade he stadium seems to have been squandered. The investment in the team has been paying over the odds in wages to journey men or players topping up their pensions.
Even if Rangers manage to squeeze out of the Championship through the play offs, what have they got to offer?
They've got an ageing team of players that aren't good enough. They are also well past their sell by date and of no value at all to sell on. The team is probably in a worse state than it was three years ago when they should have been rebuilding for the future. They just thought about the short term and bullied their way past the little boys often playing worse football than the lower league opposition.
They've now arrived at this position and realised how far they are behind. They've managed a few good results against Premiership teams, but on the whole they've been conclusively outplayed by most other Professional teams they've come up against.
I'm sure most Scottish football fans will find it hard to have sympathy for them after their behaviour in recent years especially. They've never once done anything with grace and made an effort to concentrate building their own club with some dignity. They've just shown a compete disregard for everything else to embarrassing levels.
As a shock to Rangers fans who predicted that countless other teams would fold after they were liquidated, Scottish football doesn't need you. You need Scottish football more than it needs you. You need to be playing against the bigger teams, with the bigger crowds, sponsorship, tv money and all that goes with it. Even then I struggle to see the Premiership bringing the money the club need to balance the books in its current state.
The Scottish game is in its best state for years with teams now being wise with money and developing youth. Things are looking better for the future and many teams supporters are enjoying the game far more without Rangers.
I'm sure many people won't be that sad if they don't qualify for the Premiership next season, assuming they manage to survive financially.
How are Rangers going to find money?
Half the people sniffing around the club have proven when push comes to shove, they can't come up with the money. Some are crooks and will fail the fit and proper persons test.
The other is Ashley who isn't allowed to own the club and has already shown he's going to take out as much as he can.
All the nonsense that has gone on for the last few years is nothing short of an embarrassment. I'm sure after all the nonsense of the last few years even more people would be happy if Rangers went to the wall in every identity.
The club and supporters haven't helped themselves at all. Also now the other clubs are comfortable and confident enough to know if they disappear, they won't miss them.
I would say it is going to be interesting to see what happens over he next month or two, but it's no longer exciting, it's boring and predictable. It has been the same s
te by different people for years on end. I would also say there was no end in sight, but I wonder if that will also not be true.
I guess we'll all see soon enough. Until then the real world is still going well for most.
Throughout the entire process of liquidation the support blamed everyone else for things that was nothing to do with them. The victim mentality was way too strong.
I've no idea why they felt hard done to for not being allowed to start in the Premiership after liquidation as if nothing at all happened?
I'm sure many football supporters took an interest to see how they would get on in the circumstances, but they didn't make themselves an attractive side to watch. Not only have they been dire to watch for three years on the park, the behaviour of the fans and members of the club off it has been deplorable.
They spent too much time concerned with trying to cause other clubs harm, boycott this, protest about that and basically throwing their weight about into things that had absolutely nothing to do with them. Their club was already in a mess and they were still more concerned with harming Scottish football than building their own club.
Roll forward three years and nothing is better. Just crook after crook and money grabbers doing all they can to line their own pockets. They've all managed that very well.
There has been substantial money raised and the club has made no progress. The vast amount of money promised to repair and upgrade he stadium seems to have been squandered. The investment in the team has been paying over the odds in wages to journey men or players topping up their pensions.
Even if Rangers manage to squeeze out of the Championship through the play offs, what have they got to offer?
They've got an ageing team of players that aren't good enough. They are also well past their sell by date and of no value at all to sell on. The team is probably in a worse state than it was three years ago when they should have been rebuilding for the future. They just thought about the short term and bullied their way past the little boys often playing worse football than the lower league opposition.
They've now arrived at this position and realised how far they are behind. They've managed a few good results against Premiership teams, but on the whole they've been conclusively outplayed by most other Professional teams they've come up against.
I'm sure most Scottish football fans will find it hard to have sympathy for them after their behaviour in recent years especially. They've never once done anything with grace and made an effort to concentrate building their own club with some dignity. They've just shown a compete disregard for everything else to embarrassing levels.
As a shock to Rangers fans who predicted that countless other teams would fold after they were liquidated, Scottish football doesn't need you. You need Scottish football more than it needs you. You need to be playing against the bigger teams, with the bigger crowds, sponsorship, tv money and all that goes with it. Even then I struggle to see the Premiership bringing the money the club need to balance the books in its current state.
The Scottish game is in its best state for years with teams now being wise with money and developing youth. Things are looking better for the future and many teams supporters are enjoying the game far more without Rangers.
I'm sure many people won't be that sad if they don't qualify for the Premiership next season, assuming they manage to survive financially.
How are Rangers going to find money?
Half the people sniffing around the club have proven when push comes to shove, they can't come up with the money. Some are crooks and will fail the fit and proper persons test.
The other is Ashley who isn't allowed to own the club and has already shown he's going to take out as much as he can.
All the nonsense that has gone on for the last few years is nothing short of an embarrassment. I'm sure after all the nonsense of the last few years even more people would be happy if Rangers went to the wall in every identity.
The club and supporters haven't helped themselves at all. Also now the other clubs are comfortable and confident enough to know if they disappear, they won't miss them.
I would say it is going to be interesting to see what happens over he next month or two, but it's no longer exciting, it's boring and predictable. It has been the same s
te by different people for years on end. I would also say there was no end in sight, but I wonder if that will also not be true. I guess we'll all see soon enough. Until then the real world is still going well for most.
The Vambo said:
That's because there wasn't one, it was a retarded post and so was the nest one.
Go ask Dundee Utd if it was better back when when they were in debt to the bank, who then made them sell any player for the first pathetic offer made.
That would be "too much debt", not "debt". Try reading before typing in future.Go ask Dundee Utd if it was better back when when they were in debt to the bank, who then made them sell any player for the first pathetic offer made.
Driver101 said:
After Rangers were liquidated the new club was given the chance to start again. The problem was they still had the big team mentality thinking they were bigger than they were.
Throughout the entire process of liquidation the support blamed everyone else for things that was nothing to do with them. The victim mentality was way too strong.
I've no idea why they felt hard done to for not being allowed to start in the Premiership after liquidation as if nothing at all happened?
I'm sure many football supporters took an interest to see how they would get on in the circumstances, but they didn't make themselves an attractive side to watch. Not only have they been dire to watch for three years on the park, the behaviour of the fans and members of the club off it has been deplorable.
They spent too much time concerned with trying to cause other clubs harm, boycott this, protest about that and basically throwing their weight about into things that had absolutely nothing to do with them. Their club was already in a mess and they were still more concerned with harming Scottish football than building their own club.
Roll forward three years and nothing is better. Just crook after crook and money grabbers doing all they can to line their own pockets. They've all managed that very well.
There has been substantial money raised and the club has made no progress. The vast amount of money promised to repair and upgrade he stadium seems to have been squandered. The investment in the team has been paying over the odds in wages to journey men or players topping up their pensions.
Even if Rangers manage to squeeze out of the Championship through the play offs, what have they got to offer?
They've got an ageing team of players that aren't good enough. They are also well past their sell by date and of no value at all to sell on. The team is probably in a worse state than it was three years ago when they should have been rebuilding for the future. They just thought about the short term and bullied their way past the little boys often playing worse football than the lower league opposition.
They've now arrived at this position and realised how far they are behind. They've managed a few good results against Premiership teams, but on the whole they've been conclusively outplayed by most other Professional teams they've come up against.
I'm sure most Scottish football fans will find it hard to have sympathy for them after their behaviour in recent years especially. They've never once done anything with grace and made an effort to concentrate building their own club with some dignity. They've just shown a compete disregard for everything else to embarrassing levels.
As a shock to Rangers fans who predicted that countless other teams would fold after they were liquidated, Scottish football doesn't need you. You need Scottish football more than it needs you. You need to be playing against the bigger teams, with the bigger crowds, sponsorship, tv money and all that goes with it. Even then I struggle to see the Premiership bringing the money the club need to balance the books in its current state.
The Scottish game is in its best state for years with teams now being wise with money and developing youth. Things are looking better for the future and many teams supporters are enjoying the game far more without Rangers.
I'm sure many people won't be that sad if they don't qualify for the Premiership next season, assuming they manage to survive financially.
How are Rangers going to find money?
Half the people sniffing around the club have proven when push comes to shove, they can't come up with the money. Some are crooks and will fail the fit and proper persons test.
The other is Ashley who isn't allowed to own the club and has already shown he's going to take out as much as he can.
All the nonsense that has gone on for the last few years is nothing short of an embarrassment. I'm sure after all the nonsense of the last few years even more people would be happy if Rangers went to the wall in every identity.
The club and supporters haven't helped themselves at all. Also now the other clubs are comfortable and confident enough to know if they disappear, they won't miss them.
I would say it is going to be interesting to see what happens over he next month or two, but it's no longer exciting, it's boring and predictable. It has been the same ste by different people for years on end. I would also say there was no end in sight, but I wonder if that will also not be true.
I guess we'll all see soon enough. Until then the real world is still going well for most.
Nicely put and I agree with much of it.Throughout the entire process of liquidation the support blamed everyone else for things that was nothing to do with them. The victim mentality was way too strong.
I've no idea why they felt hard done to for not being allowed to start in the Premiership after liquidation as if nothing at all happened?
I'm sure many football supporters took an interest to see how they would get on in the circumstances, but they didn't make themselves an attractive side to watch. Not only have they been dire to watch for three years on the park, the behaviour of the fans and members of the club off it has been deplorable.
They spent too much time concerned with trying to cause other clubs harm, boycott this, protest about that and basically throwing their weight about into things that had absolutely nothing to do with them. Their club was already in a mess and they were still more concerned with harming Scottish football than building their own club.
Roll forward three years and nothing is better. Just crook after crook and money grabbers doing all they can to line their own pockets. They've all managed that very well.
There has been substantial money raised and the club has made no progress. The vast amount of money promised to repair and upgrade he stadium seems to have been squandered. The investment in the team has been paying over the odds in wages to journey men or players topping up their pensions.
Even if Rangers manage to squeeze out of the Championship through the play offs, what have they got to offer?
They've got an ageing team of players that aren't good enough. They are also well past their sell by date and of no value at all to sell on. The team is probably in a worse state than it was three years ago when they should have been rebuilding for the future. They just thought about the short term and bullied their way past the little boys often playing worse football than the lower league opposition.
They've now arrived at this position and realised how far they are behind. They've managed a few good results against Premiership teams, but on the whole they've been conclusively outplayed by most other Professional teams they've come up against.
I'm sure most Scottish football fans will find it hard to have sympathy for them after their behaviour in recent years especially. They've never once done anything with grace and made an effort to concentrate building their own club with some dignity. They've just shown a compete disregard for everything else to embarrassing levels.
As a shock to Rangers fans who predicted that countless other teams would fold after they were liquidated, Scottish football doesn't need you. You need Scottish football more than it needs you. You need to be playing against the bigger teams, with the bigger crowds, sponsorship, tv money and all that goes with it. Even then I struggle to see the Premiership bringing the money the club need to balance the books in its current state.
The Scottish game is in its best state for years with teams now being wise with money and developing youth. Things are looking better for the future and many teams supporters are enjoying the game far more without Rangers.
I'm sure many people won't be that sad if they don't qualify for the Premiership next season, assuming they manage to survive financially.
How are Rangers going to find money?
Half the people sniffing around the club have proven when push comes to shove, they can't come up with the money. Some are crooks and will fail the fit and proper persons test.
The other is Ashley who isn't allowed to own the club and has already shown he's going to take out as much as he can.
All the nonsense that has gone on for the last few years is nothing short of an embarrassment. I'm sure after all the nonsense of the last few years even more people would be happy if Rangers went to the wall in every identity.
The club and supporters haven't helped themselves at all. Also now the other clubs are comfortable and confident enough to know if they disappear, they won't miss them.
I would say it is going to be interesting to see what happens over he next month or two, but it's no longer exciting, it's boring and predictable. It has been the same s
te by different people for years on end. I would also say there was no end in sight, but I wonder if that will also not be true. I guess we'll all see soon enough. Until then the real world is still going well for most.
However:
Rangers were in a predicament, made much worse by the big tax case which is AFAIK a not guilty.
They are still 2nd in the Championship and have made it into the latter stages of various cups and I'd disagree that they've been comprehensively outplayed by more than a few pro sides, let alone the majority.
As I said I agree with much of what you say. Just lurching from one s
te sandwich to bigger and bigger ones.simoid said:
Nicely put and I agree with much of it.
However:
Rangers were in a predicament, made much worse by the big tax case which is AFAIK a not guilty.
They are still 2nd in the Championship and have made it into the latter stages of various cups and I'd disagree that they've been comprehensively outplayed by more than a few pro sides, let alone the majority.
As I said I agree with much of what you say. Just lurching from one ste sandwich to bigger and bigger ones.
From the big tax case involving EBTs that were deemed "loans", how much of the loans have been paid back? However:
Rangers were in a predicament, made much worse by the big tax case which is AFAIK a not guilty.
They are still 2nd in the Championship and have made it into the latter stages of various cups and I'd disagree that they've been comprehensively outplayed by more than a few pro sides, let alone the majority.
As I said I agree with much of what you say. Just lurching from one s
te sandwich to bigger and bigger ones.I'll give a clue, It starts with zero, has zero in the middle and also at the end end.
Tell me where you can get a loan you never pay back?
It was a tax dodge where players had it written into their contracts to avoid paying tax. They attracted players they could never have afforded otherwise.
Why would a good player who could attract a good salary also require a "loan" in his contact every week?
I'm honestly confused how any judge could rule otherwise.
The case seems very straight forward to me.
There is no such thing an a loan you never pay back.
Edited by Driver101 on Sunday 25th January 02:44
Driver101 said:
simoid said:
Nicely put and I agree with much of it.
However:
Rangers were in a predicament, made much worse by the big tax case which is AFAIK a not guilty.
They are still 2nd in the Championship and have made it into the latter stages of various cups and I'd disagree that they've been comprehensively outplayed by more than a few pro sides, let alone the majority.
As I said I agree with much of what you say. Just lurching from one ste sandwich to bigger and bigger ones.
From the big tax case involving EBTs that were deemed "loans", how much of the loans have been paid back? However:
Rangers were in a predicament, made much worse by the big tax case which is AFAIK a not guilty.
They are still 2nd in the Championship and have made it into the latter stages of various cups and I'd disagree that they've been comprehensively outplayed by more than a few pro sides, let alone the majority.
As I said I agree with much of what you say. Just lurching from one s
te sandwich to bigger and bigger ones.I'll give a clue, It starts with zero, has zero in the middle and also at the end end.
Tell me where you can get a loan you never pay back?
It was a tax dodge where players had it written into their contracts to avoid paying tax. They attracted players they could never have afforded otherwise.
Why would a good player who could attract a good salary also require a "loan" in his contact every week?
I'm honestly confused how any judge could rule otherwise.
The case seems very straight forward to me.
There is no such thing an a loan you never pay back.
Edited by Driver101 on Sunday 25th January 02:44
JuniorD said:
Pacific Shelf FC, obsessed from cradle to grave.Driver101 said:
From the big tax case involving EBTs that were deemed "loans", how much of the loans have been paid back?
I'll give a clue, It starts with zero, has zero in the middle and also at the end end.
Tell me where you can get a loan you never pay back?
It was a tax dodge where players had it written into their contracts to avoid paying tax. They attracted players they could never have afforded otherwise.
Why would a good player who could attract a good salary also require a "loan" in his contact every week?
I'm honestly confused how any judge could rule otherwise.
The case seems very straight forward to me.
There is no such thing an a loan you never pay back.
So you think Rangers should pay tax on transactions that they (and judges) have deemed not taxable? I can see how you get confused.I'll give a clue, It starts with zero, has zero in the middle and also at the end end.
Tell me where you can get a loan you never pay back?
It was a tax dodge where players had it written into their contracts to avoid paying tax. They attracted players they could never have afforded otherwise.
Why would a good player who could attract a good salary also require a "loan" in his contact every week?
I'm honestly confused how any judge could rule otherwise.
The case seems very straight forward to me.
There is no such thing an a loan you never pay back.
Edited by Driver101 on Sunday 25th January 02:44
So what is happening with Rangers? From an outsiders point of view, it looks like....
There are some assets which the vultures are circling over. With a large fan base, there is a great revenue stream option, but with so many parties involved, no-one wants to over-pay for the club and so all are fighting each other.
It looks like some of the assets are being sold/leased to get over the financial issues and there is a game of brinksmanship on who can survive longest without losing their money and without having to pay full price.
Could Rangers really go under again?
There are some assets which the vultures are circling over. With a large fan base, there is a great revenue stream option, but with so many parties involved, no-one wants to over-pay for the club and so all are fighting each other.
It looks like some of the assets are being sold/leased to get over the financial issues and there is a game of brinksmanship on who can survive longest without losing their money and without having to pay full price.
Could Rangers really go under again?
simoid said:
So you think Rangers should pay tax on transactions that they (and judges) have deemed not taxable? I can see how you get confused.
They shouldn't be taxable if the "loans" were paid back. The clear ruling was they were loans. However not a penny has ever been paid back and highly unlikely to be paid back. Why would a footballer earning a substantial amount of money also require a loan every week as part of his contract?
Why the childish dig? Not exactly mature.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68PmPEzQvCc
This certainly puts things into perspective and it's nice to see the Old Firm come together for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b053rR2roGI <------ he has even lost the ability to speak.
This certainly puts things into perspective and it's nice to see the Old Firm come together for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b053rR2roGI <------ he has even lost the ability to speak.
simoid said:
That's about the size of it. Football staff, non-football staff and fans don't feel like they have any common goal or direction. Until we do, anything could happen.
It looks like the fans/staff/players are stuck in the middle of a turf war with the value of the assets eroding day by day as someone else takes their piece of the pie e.g. shirt sales which should form a solid income, but you only get a % from.Rangers failing cannot be good for the income of any Scottish football team, but also for the competitiveness of the game. I get more worried week by week as you hear about the lack of cash flow and the deals to finance another few weeks of footie.
Driver101 said:
simoid said:
So you think Rangers should pay tax on transactions that they (and judges) have deemed not taxable? I can see how you get confused.
They shouldn't be taxable if the "loans" were paid back. The clear ruling was they were loans. However not a penny has ever been paid back and highly unlikely to be paid back. Why would a footballer earning a substantial amount of money also require a loan every week as part of his contract?
Why the childish dig? Not exactly mature.
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