The Official Glasgow Rangers Thread

[technodup]

Driver101 said:

You're being very unfair to Meatloaf.

:lol:

You must be quite the fan.

Men singing about love and playing guitars really isn't my thing. But whatever floats your boat.

[BigsimonY]

159 pages of pure obsession..... Good grief, I'll never understand it.

[Kakopetria]

Driver
I quote"I've got friends who supported Rangers". Firstly there's a contradiction in terms right away,when you support Glasgow Rangers you support them for life.Secondly there isn't a Glasgow Rangers supporter in the world who you could call a friend

[Driver101]

Kakopetria said:

Driver
I quote"I've got friends who supported Rangers". Firstly there's a contradiction in terms right away,when you support Glasgow Rangers you support them for life.Secondly there isn't a Glasgow Rangers supporter in the world who you could call a friend

I don't have any issues getting on with people in the real world. We give our Rangers supporting mates a hard time regularly. They used to try the same, but it has been years since they've had something to pipe up about. The only time they have the chance to gloat is after a bad result and they still do that. However they know that it won't be long before they get it tight for the same thing.

I'll debate football with anyone. I won't ever throw insults with you and I completely detest both sides of some of the vile things both sets of the Glasgow divide say and do.

I know people who were season ticket holders for years and did give up after liquidation. There was stats that a lot of people did give up their season tickets at the start and many of the season ticket holders were new.

There was a lot of people who didn't renew their ticket.

I'm sure you've noticed that crowds have dwindling badly? Hasn't the average dropped from mid 40,000, down to low 30,000?

Clearly people have given up supporting the team. There is 15,000 or so not supporting the club.

Just read some of the comments that many "Rangers men" publicly said about the situation.

You have your opinion, and you're fully entitled to your wrong opinion.

We will agree to disagree.

[technodup]

Driver101 said:

You have your opinion, and you're fully entitled to your wrong opinion.

Driver101 said:

I'm sure you've noticed that crowds have dwindling badly? Hasn't the average dropped from mid 40,000, down to low 30,000?

Clearly people have given up supporting the team. There is 15,000 or so not supporting the club.

Don't talk ste. As the other boy said you're a Bear for life. But there are plenty who have stopped buying tickets and merchandise over the last three years to try to make a point about the running of the club. That may be right, wrong or counterproductive but those missing 15000 haven't just stopped supporting the club. They're using the only tool they have to strike a blow to the various regimes.

Celtic's average attendance is also down 10-15k over the last few years. What's their excuse? They've won the league every year so the only obvious answer is no Rangers.

Only here to see the Rangers.

[Granfondo]

Groak had a good result this week!

Hope he comes back because he was a bit more eloquent with his bigotry.

[Driver101]

technodup said:

Driver101 said:

You have your opinion, and you're fully entitled to your wrong opinion.

Driver101 said:

I'm sure you've noticed that crowds have dwindling badly? Hasn't the average dropped from mid 40,000, down to low 30,000?

Clearly people have given up supporting the team. There is 15,000 or so not supporting the club.

Don't talk ste. As the other boy said you're a Bear for life. But there are plenty who have stopped buying tickets and merchandise over the last three years to try to make a point about the running of the club. That may be right, wrong or counterproductive but those missing 15000 haven't just stopped supporting the club. They're using the only tool they have to strike a blow to the various regimes.

Celtic's average attendance is also down 10-15k over the last few years. What's their excuse? They've won the league every year so the only obvious answer is no Rangers.

Only here to see the Rangers.

Most football fans are fickle. Start losing and they disappear quickly. If you look back to the late 70 and early 80s, you will find Rangers crowds as low as 2000. Both teams only averaged mid 20,000 back in the 80s.

When Celtic and Rangers met in the cup a few months ago, Rangers fans were fighting over the tickets. In a season they boycotted games and only a handful turning up for the other cup games, they could have sold their share countless times over. In the previous round there was only 13,000 there to see their team at home to a Premiership team. Playing Celtic they all came running back.

Sure they are only there to see Rangers?

I've read a million reasons why Rangers fans have been boycotting Rangers games. I read a thread where loads were saying they would be back at Ibrox as soon as McCoist was sacked. It made no odds when he was sacked.

There is always an excuse for not turning up. Like we've all been told a million times, there is an apparent separation between club and company. How can you justify not supporting the team to hurt the board?

What sane person would boycott the club they love when its existence was hanging by a thread financially month by month? If you loved the club you'd be there doing everything you can to save it, not sitting in the house watching them on the brink of going under.

There is no competition in Scottish football. Attendances were already dropping off long before Rangers went.

In 2008/2009 Celtic had an average attendance of 45,582. In 2014/15 the average was 44,585 according to fitbastats.com. Not sure where you are getting 15,000 from? Facts say 1000. Crowds didn't suddenly drop off like you are suggesting. Some teams have actually seen their average crowds go up without Rangers. That's quite impressive when losing two games against Rangers with a larger travelling support.

Celtic crowds will never recover to the height of the Martin O'Neill era. They still all turn up for the Champions league games.

I'd imagine they would turn up if the team needed the support. When Aberdeen got close for a bit, crowds went up. There was over 50,000 when Aberdeen came calling last time.

Just look at some of the teams when they drop to the Championship. Some teams get more fans watching the games in the Championship as it is easier supporting a team that is winning and competition, than watching a team getting pumped every week, or every game a stroll in the park.

Edited by Driver101 on Sunday 21st June 23:28

Edited by Driver101 on Sunday 21st June 23:52

[xjsdriver]

Bloody hell is it groundhog day or what round here? It's still the same "Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah - I'm not listening. I can't bear to admit that my club's glorious history is down the toilet."
When you start saying - "Aye, we fked it up royally, sod it let's not cry about dodgy tax affairs, which sent us tumbling out of the league - Let's move on." When fans of all the other teams in Scotland hear the majority of Gers fans come to terms with reality - you might not get so much flakk.

Just a thought!!!!

[xjsdriver]

technodup said:

:lol:

You must be quite the fan.

Men singing about love and playing guitars really isn't my thing. But whatever floats your boat.

I take it going by your moniker - you like a bit of techno instead of guitar based tunes?

[Kakopetria]

Granfudo
Why don't you just scuttle back to kerrydale street,where you belong

[Granfondo]

Kakopetria said:

Granfudo
Why don't you just scuttle back to kerrydale street,where you belong

Call me a taxi?

[Driver101]

Granfondo said:

Call me a taxi?

You're a taxi.

[Granfondo]

Driver101 said:

Granfondo said:

Call me a taxi?

You're a taxi.

Lend me a fiver ?

[Driver101]

Granfondo said:

Driver101 said:

Granfondo said:

Call me a taxi?

You're a taxi.

Lend me a fiver ?

For every £5 I give you, you've to give me £10.

[Granfondo]

Driver101 said:

Granfondo said:

Driver101 said:

Granfondo said:

Call me a taxi?

You're a taxi.

Lend me a fiver ?

For every £5 I give you, you've to give me £10.

Only if I don't have to pat tax on it ,maybe through an EBT?

[technodup]

xjsdriver said:

I can't bear to admit that my club's glorious history is down the toilet."

But it's not. Yes we've been royally shafted by shysters, yes we're ste and yes we didn't deserve to go up. But that doesn't make the various other bullst claims any more factual.

Driver101 said:

How can you justify not supporting the team to hurt the board?

I didn't.

Driver101 said:

In 2008/2009 Celtic had an average attendance of 45,582. In 2014/15 the average was 44,585 according to fitbastats.com. Not sure where you are getting 15,000 from? Facts say 1000. Crowds didn't suddenly drop off like you are suggesting.

If that's the standard of 'facts' you quote I see why this is going round in circles. Go look at the page again.

2014/2015 - 44,585
2013/2014 - 47,079
2012/2013 - 46,917
2011/2012 - 50,904
2010/2011 - 49,090
2009/2010 - 45,582
2008/2009 - 57,366

And ffs stop spouting about 'facts' when all we've got is some incorrect statistics and your biased opinion.

[Driver101]

technodup said:

xjsdriver said:

I can't bear to admit that my club's glorious history is down the toilet."

But it's not. Yes we've been royally shafted by shysters, yes we're ste and yes we didn't deserve to go up. But that doesn't make the various other bullst claims any more factual.

Driver101 said:

How can you justify not supporting the team to hurt the board?

I didn't.

Driver101 said:

In 2008/2009 Celtic had an average attendance of 45,582. In 2014/15 the average was 44,585 according to fitbastats.com. Not sure where you are getting 15,000 from? Facts say 1000. Crowds didn't suddenly drop off like you are suggesting.

If that's the standard of 'facts' you quote I see why this is going round in circles. Go look at the page again.

2014/2015 - 44,585
2013/2014 - 47,079
2012/2013 - 46,917
2011/2012 - 50,904
2010/2011 - 49,090
2009/2010 - 45,582
2008/2009 - 57,366

And ffs stop spouting about 'facts' when all we've got is some incorrect statistics and your biased opinion.

What year did Rangers go bust? It was 2012. You're selectively choosing to ignore a lot of years in between and before. Celtic averaging 45,000 is a common and normal figure that you can find, or even lower, figures with Rangers involved.

Crowds didn't suddenly drop off after Rangers went bust. The crowds weren't that far off what had been common for years other than years with Champions league, or a fight for the title.

The spike in 2008/09 was to guarantee tickets for the Man Utd games.

It was you who claimed that crowds that had dropped by up to 15,000. It was you that plucked the figures out of the air.

Where are you getting your facts?

Incorrect statistics? I guess you have better figures? I'll guess that you don't and are just making up more stuff as you go along.

I love my football, but what really surprises me is your very vocal about the support of your team, but you really don't seem to understand what is happening in front of your own face.

Edited by Driver101 on Monday 22 June 00:52

[technodup]

Driver101 said:

The spike in 2008/09 was to guarantee tickets for the Man Utd games.

It wasn't a spike, the previous 9 years were all 57-58k.

Driver101 said:

It was you who claimed that crowds that had dropped by up to 15,000.

Fine, 13k then. FFS.

Celtic's averages are the worst since Fergus McCann. I repeat, what's their excuse?

Actually don't answer, I don't care.

Rangers = bad. Everything else = great. Obviously.

[350zStee]

technodup said:

ine, 13k then. FFS.

Celtic's averages are the worst since Fergus McCann. I repeat, what's their excuse?

Actually don't answer, I don't care.

Rangers = bad. Everything else = great. Obviously.

Talking about Celtic on a Rangers forum.

Obsessed.

[Driver101]

technodup said:

Driver101 said:

The spike in 2008/09 was to guarantee tickets for the Man Utd games.

It wasn't a spike, the previous 9 years were all 57-58k.

Driver101 said:

It was you who claimed that crowds that had dropped by up to 15,000.

Fine, 13k then. FFS.

Celtic's averages are the worst since Fergus McCann. I repeat, what's their excuse?

Actually don't answer, I don't care.

Rangers = bad. Everything else = great. Obviously.

You are so blind it's frustrating.

Celtic's crowds didn't drop 13,000 on the back of Rangers going bust as you keep suggesting. You keep missing out all the years between the peak crowds when the spending was significantly higher and now.

The 2009/10 season was only 1000 more than now.

Back when McCann bought the club mid 20,000 was the average. There was a couple of season before they ramped right up to the highest of figures. That was the days of signing players for sizeable amounts of cash and paying players English Premier league money.

If there is competition, crowds at Celtic park will go up. Look when Aberdeen got close, the crowds go up. Miles clear in the league and an easy game against a lower league team means crowds are down.

Ronny Delia got off to a really poor start this season. If Celtic had qualified for the Champions League, crowds would have soared. However the start of the season was all disjointed playing games at Murrayfield, and Celtic got humiliated by some very average teams.

Some fickle fans didn't renew their season tickets on the back of this. Delia was written off by lots of Celtic fans for almost half this season. There was frustration and anger how the team was playing. However you're reading too much into the Rangers effect.

Have a look back to when Tony Mowbray took over. Average attendances dropped by 12,000 in one season. Same thing, bad start and it discourages fans paying their money for the rest of the season.

If Aberdeen manage to improve further and push harder, watch the crowds go up. Get a decent run in Europe and watch the crowds go up.

As I've already said, football fans have always been fickle. I keep hearing all this about supporting the team through thick and thin. Once a supporter always a supporter and so on.

Just look through the history of both clubs and that'll tell you otherwise. When things are good, the fans are there in their numbers.

When the going gets tough, the numbers dwindle. This has been proven time and time again.

You'll see Rangers averaging just teens over seasons in the 80s. Years when they were finishing in distant 4th places in the league.

Competition, winning and big games means the fans are out in force. Losing, no competition or big games means crowds are low. History will keep repeating this.