The Official Glasgow Rangers Thread
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Kakopetria said:
Bitter where "everywhere" your hatred of Glasgow Rangers is apparent in everything you post and yet you can't admit it
It's what my father used to call lack of character ,me I would call it something else
Pick one of my statements that you think is bitter. Then give it some thought and ask yourself if there is some truth in that statement.It's what my father used to call lack of character ,me I would call it something else
I challenge you to show the difference between being bitter and being right.
Driver101 said:
It's pretty embarrassing.
There have been many occasions recently when being a Rangers fan has been embarrassing. This is not one of them. He's an OK player, we offered OK money in Scottish football terms. Celtic offered broadly the same. Hibs said no for good reason (although it's hard not to think Stubbs had a separate agenda). He went with Celtic. Scott Allan is the one who will ultimately be embarrassed by this episode, and should be already.Driver101 said:
Hibs don't pay that much money. I'm sure if you had the chance to treble your wages, it'd be a job to hold you back.
Did we not accept that we don't know his salary at Hibs or Celtic? So trebling wages is purely conjecture.Driver101 said:
Spend 10 minutes reading any football forum and Rangers men can't get on with each other. The internal bickering is way more than any club.
Leaving aside the obvious unsubstantiated nonsense in the second sentence it does strike me as odd that you spend so much time reading about a club you clearly despise. Although given Rangers crowd in the first match was more than the entire attendance for the 6 matches in the SPL it would be reasonable to assume more fans = more disagreements. It's to be expected.Driver101 said:
Most people don't care about the politics and religion like you think.
It's only you who has mentioned religion.Anyway like I said I'm not losing any sleep over Scott Allan, so unless we're going to discuss our 5-1 away victory or our chances for the league this year I'm out.
Just thought I'd pop by to tell you all an anecdote. As a kid at school I had the piss ripped out of me remorselessly by Rangers fans as "we" sold our toaster. Yep, I'm an Aberdeen fan. So it has been a great pleasure to see your club go bust, cease to exist, lose its history, fail to get back to the SPL, not even be able to sign players that are Rangers fans and be run by a series of dodgy chracters.
But I'm not bitter so I would like to offer you a toaster for Ibrox, it's a Russell Hobbs one, I've paid the tax on it too you don't have to worry about that.
But I'm not bitter so I would like to offer you a toaster for Ibrox, it's a Russell Hobbs one, I've paid the tax on it too you don't have to worry about that.
bluezaskar said:
Just thought I'd pop by to tell you all an anecdote. As a kid at school I had the piss ripped out of me remorselessly by Rangers fans as "we" sold our toaster. Yep, I'm an Aberdeen fan. So it has been a great pleasure to see your club go bust, cease to exist, lose its history, fail to get back to the SPL, not even be able to sign players that are Rangers fans and be run by a series of dodgy chracters.
But I'm not bitter so I would like to offer you a toaster for Ibrox, it's a Russell Hobbs one, I've paid the tax on it too you don't have to worry about that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84SbuaWYmWwBut I'm not bitter so I would like to offer you a toaster for Ibrox, it's a Russell Hobbs one, I've paid the tax on it too you don't have to worry about that.
technodup said:
Stuff
You're like a bar of soap. You never actually ever answer a question and just make ambiguous statements all time, then can't back them up when asked what they mean. You appear to be reading from a list without understanding what you're saying.We don't know what his wages are, but they are a lot more. Hibs average wage isn't much more than £2000 per week, Celtic pay an average of over £20,000 per week.
Agenda, No good reason, Honestly? One club offers you similar money and wants to pay instalments. The said club that offers you instalments has been struggling badly with paying their debts. That team are also Hibs main rivals for promotion.
The other team offers you cash in the bank, the loan of a player that will add to you team and it's not your main rival.
How can you decipher that Stubbs has an agenda from that?
What you think appears to be an agenda against Rangers, is what others call common sense.
You still haven't told me what a Rangers man is? You've made the statement, then tell me I'm wrong, but can't offer anything again. Why keep doing that? All through this thread you make an argument, but can never back up anything and keep swerving the question.
I don't think you have the faintest of ideas what you are on about.
Edited by Driver101 on Monday 17th August 06:57
Driver101 said:
We don't know what his wages are, but they are a lot more.
? We're assuming they are, but he said he moved for football reasons(!). He'll be nowhere near the £20k you citied.Driver101 said:
Agenda, No good reason, Honestly?
Read it again.Driver101 said:
You still haven't told me what a Rangers man is? You've made the statement, then tell me I'm wrong, but can't offer anything again. Why keep doing that? All through this thread you make an argument, but can never back up anything and keep swerving the question.
The very nature of message boards, phone-ins etc means nobody can ever back anything up, it's 99% opinion unless someone is on the inside. If foreigners like Novo and Albertz know the score then a 'Rangers fan' brought up in Scotland has no excuse. I don't know what other explanation you need. Wee boys who dream of pulling on the red white and blue for Rangers shouldn't be swayed by a few quid to play for them.
Quote from Stubbs "But we had an obligation and a duty to make a decision about each bid and our position right from the outset was that he was not for sale to Rangers."
So no matter what Rangers offered, they were never going to sell him to us anyway. So some people have wasted a lot of time and effort posting paragraph upon paragraph of rubbish on this thread......nothing new there.
Literally don't understand the mindset of someone who doesn't support a team wasting so much of their life reading and posting about Rangers. Some people on here seem to know the ins-and-outs of everything Rangers related for the last 3 or 4 years, even I don't and I support them.
I don't like fishing, so I don't read about fishing, I don't post on fishing forums, I don't watch out for fishing news. I thought that was normal behaviour?
So no matter what Rangers offered, they were never going to sell him to us anyway. So some people have wasted a lot of time and effort posting paragraph upon paragraph of rubbish on this thread......nothing new there.
Literally don't understand the mindset of someone who doesn't support a team wasting so much of their life reading and posting about Rangers. Some people on here seem to know the ins-and-outs of everything Rangers related for the last 3 or 4 years, even I don't and I support them.
I don't like fishing, so I don't read about fishing, I don't post on fishing forums, I don't watch out for fishing news. I thought that was normal behaviour?
Edited by 2013ZetecS on Monday 17th August 15:11
2013ZetecS said:
Quote from Stubbs "But we had an obligation and a duty to make a decision about each bid and our position right from the outset was that he was not for sale to Rangers."
So no matter what Rangers offered, they were never going to sell him to us anyway. So some people have wasted a lot of time and effort posting paragraph upon paragraph of rubbish on this thread......nothing new there.
Literally don't understand the mindset of someone who doesn't support a team wasting so much of their life reading and posting about Rangers. Some people on here seem to know the ins-and-outs of everything Rangers related for the last 3 or 4 years, even I don't and I support them.
I don't like fishing, so I don't read about fishing, I don't post on fishing forums, I don't watch out for fishing news. I thought that was normal behaviour?
Why are you on Pistonheads? You do realise that this is a car forum firstly, with all the subforums secondly? So no matter what Rangers offered, they were never going to sell him to us anyway. So some people have wasted a lot of time and effort posting paragraph upon paragraph of rubbish on this thread......nothing new there.
Literally don't understand the mindset of someone who doesn't support a team wasting so much of their life reading and posting about Rangers. Some people on here seem to know the ins-and-outs of everything Rangers related for the last 3 or 4 years, even I don't and I support them.
I don't like fishing, so I don't read about fishing, I don't post on fishing forums, I don't watch out for fishing news. I thought that was normal behaviour?
Edited by 2013ZetecS on Monday 17th August 15:11
All you've done since you've been on this thread is whinge. You've already been warned by the moderators about your constant complaining.
If you aren't happy being on an open forum, take your own advice and not read it.
How times have a team said the player is not for sale no matter the price, then sold the player? Surely you've paid some attention at times?
Driver101 said:
Why are you on Pistonheads? You do realise that this is a car forum firstly, with all the subforums secondly?
All you've done since you've been on this thread is whinge. You've already been warned by the moderators about your constant complaining.
If you aren't happy being on an open forum, take your own advice and not read it.
How times have a team said the player is not for sale no matter the price, then sold the player? Surely you've paid some attention at times?
Sorry, didn't realise you were the forum police and track everything that everyone does. Am I not entitled to browse a public forum and post wherever I want? Or do you want me to ask your permission from now on?All you've done since you've been on this thread is whinge. You've already been warned by the moderators about your constant complaining.
If you aren't happy being on an open forum, take your own advice and not read it.
How times have a team said the player is not for sale no matter the price, then sold the player? Surely you've paid some attention at times?
Also, did I even mention your name? Note how you jumped on it though. Guilty conscience much?
technodup said:
Driver101 said:
We don't know what his wages are, but they are a lot more.
? We're assuming they are, but he said he moved for football reasons(!). He'll be nowhere near the £20k you citied.Driver101 said:
Agenda, No good reason, Honestly?
Read it again.Driver101 said:
You still haven't told me what a Rangers man is? You've made the statement, then tell me I'm wrong, but can't offer anything again. Why keep doing that? All through this thread you make an argument, but can never back up anything and keep swerving the question.
The very nature of message boards, phone-ins etc means nobody can ever back anything up, it's 99% opinion unless someone is on the inside. If foreigners like Novo and Albertz know the score then a 'Rangers fan' brought up in Scotland has no excuse. I don't know what other explanation you need. Wee boys who dream of pulling on the red white and blue for Rangers shouldn't be swayed by a few quid to play for them.
Read your previous comments, I still don't understand what else you mean?
You could argue he has moved for football reasons. Rather than waiting for a move to the team he supports, he's picked a team that play at a higher level. Not only will he be playing at the highest level in this country, he will be playing in Europe too. Something all players want to do.
Albertz was a fine footballer. He played at a time where Rangers were paying wages to match anyone and Rangers had a good team. There was a lot of good players in Scotland around that time will the money being spent. There wasn't the enticement of much more for him.
His era was different. There has been much change in the last 15-20 years.
Nacho Novo was just a s
t player that struck lucky. He was never going to go any further than playing for Rangers. That was always going to be the biggest club he'd play for. He wasn't even good enough for Rangers and most fans knew that. I don't remember anyone being sad when he left. His big mouth on social media seems to have endeared him to the fans more than ever.
Football fans and players have always been fickle. If a team does badly, fans are quick to turn their back. Everyone claims to support their team through thick and thin, but that's far from the truth. Look at the history of any club when they've had a prolonged slump and crowds dwindle.
The truth is most players will move if a bigger club come in for them. It happens in all divisions all over the world. Unless you're Lionel Messi playing for Barcelona, there's always the chance to progress.
Look at home players come through at the club they support only to move on to bigger and better things, or players that are bought, kiss the badge and tell everyone how this is the only club they ever wanted to play for, then change their mind at the first chance.
Celtic don't have the powers to fend off teams like Southampton, Norwich and even Palace. The league that those teams play in mean they've always got the financial power and the league to attract players from Celtic.
Like Rangers have found further down the food chain, teams like Rotherham can pick off your best talent. Even Dundee Utd signed your best youngster.
That's the way of football, when you don't have the money and play further down the league, more people can take advantage of you.
Most players will also happily take the money. You're kidding yourself with this dream of boys dreaming and remaining with the club they love.
We've seen that doesn't happen all too often recently.
Edited by Driver101 on Monday 17th August 15:59
Edited by Driver101 on Monday 17th August 16:01
Edited by Driver101 on Monday 17th August 16:02
Driver101 said:
I never said he was getting £20k, but over £30k is the average for Celtic. That's 10 times what Hibs pay on average. So there's no doubt he's getting significantly more.
Read your previous comments, I still don't understand what else you mean?
You could argue he has moved for football reasons. Rather than waiting for a move to the team he supporters, he's picked a team that play at a higher level. Not only will he be playing at the highest level in this country, he will be playing in Europe too. Something all players want to do.
Albertz was a fine footballer. He played at a time where Rangers were paying wages to match anyone and Rangers had a good team. There was a lot of good players in Scotland around thay time will the money being spent. There wasn't the enticement of much more for him.
His era was different. There has been much change in the last 15-20 years.
Nacho Novo was just a st player that struck lucky. He was never going to go any further than playing for Rangers. That was always going to be the biggest club he'd play for. He wasn't even good enough for Rangers and most fans knew that. I don't remember anyone being sad when he left.
His big mouth on social media seems to have endeared him to the fans more than ever.
Football fans and players have always been fickle. If a team does badly, fans are quick to turn their back. Everyone claims to support their team through thick and thin, but that's far from the truth. Look at the history of any club when they've had a prolonged slump and crowds dwindle.
The truth is most players will move if a bigger club come in for them. It happens in all divisions all over the world. Unless you're Lionel Messi playing for Barcelona, there's always the chance to progress.
Look at home players come through at the club they support only to move on to bigger and better things, or players that are bought, kiss the badge and tell everyone how this is the only club they ever wanted to play for, then change their mind at the first chance.
Celtic don't have the powers to fend off teams like Southampton, Norwich and even Palace. The league that those teams play in mean they've always got the financial power and the league to attract players from Celtic.
Like Rangers have found further down the food chain, teams like Rotherham can pick off your best talent. Even Dundee Utd signed your best youngster.
That's the way of football, when you don't have the money and play further down the league, more people can take advantage of you.
Most players will also happily take the money. You're kidding yourself with this dream of boys dreaming and remaining with the club they love.
We've seen that doesn't happen all too often recently.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzRead your previous comments, I still don't understand what else you mean?
You could argue he has moved for football reasons. Rather than waiting for a move to the team he supporters, he's picked a team that play at a higher level. Not only will he be playing at the highest level in this country, he will be playing in Europe too. Something all players want to do.
Albertz was a fine footballer. He played at a time where Rangers were paying wages to match anyone and Rangers had a good team. There was a lot of good players in Scotland around thay time will the money being spent. There wasn't the enticement of much more for him.
His era was different. There has been much change in the last 15-20 years.
Nacho Novo was just a s
t player that struck lucky. He was never going to go any further than playing for Rangers. That was always going to be the biggest club he'd play for. He wasn't even good enough for Rangers and most fans knew that. I don't remember anyone being sad when he left. His big mouth on social media seems to have endeared him to the fans more than ever.
Football fans and players have always been fickle. If a team does badly, fans are quick to turn their back. Everyone claims to support their team through thick and thin, but that's far from the truth. Look at the history of any club when they've had a prolonged slump and crowds dwindle.
The truth is most players will move if a bigger club come in for them. It happens in all divisions all over the world. Unless you're Lionel Messi playing for Barcelona, there's always the chance to progress.
Look at home players come through at the club they support only to move on to bigger and better things, or players that are bought, kiss the badge and tell everyone how this is the only club they ever wanted to play for, then change their mind at the first chance.
Celtic don't have the powers to fend off teams like Southampton, Norwich and even Palace. The league that those teams play in mean they've always got the financial power and the league to attract players from Celtic.
Like Rangers have found further down the food chain, teams like Rotherham can pick off your best talent. Even Dundee Utd signed your best youngster.
That's the way of football, when you don't have the money and play further down the league, more people can take advantage of you.
Most players will also happily take the money. You're kidding yourself with this dream of boys dreaming and remaining with the club they love.
We've seen that doesn't happen all too often recently.
2013ZetecS said:
Sorry, didn't realise you were the forum police and track everything that everyone does. Am I not entitled to browse a public forum and post wherever I want? Or do you want me to ask your permission from now on?
Also, did I even mention your name? Note how you jumped on it though. Guilty conscience much?
Do you intentionally try to be obtuse?Also, did I even mention your name? Note how you jumped on it though. Guilty conscience much?
Driver101 said:
Read your previous comments, I still don't understand what else you mean?
I said for good reason, not for no good reason.Driver101 said:
he will be playing in Europe too.
Will that be measured in minutes or seconds? Remember Celtic achieved a unique first last year getting pumped out of Europe three times in quick succession.Driver101 said:
Nacho Novo
Agreed. Driver101 said:
The truth is most players will move if a bigger club come in for them.
Which bigger club which came in for him? I didn't hear anything.Driver101 said:
You're kidding yourself with this dream of boys dreaming and remaining with the club they love.
I don't expect them to stay forever, or not to move for good money. All I expect is they don't go to Celtic.Bottom line is Scott Allan claims to be a bluenose. Rangers made bids. He put in a transfer request presumably to try to force Hibs to sell him to Rangers. Hibs refused and Celtic nipped in. I've no issue with Hibs or Celtic here btw, it's Allan's about face that is the galling thing for fans, and he's not helping saying it was an easy decision to make.
He's kind of like a s
t Mo Johnston. Unlike MoJo I doubt we'll remember him in a few years time.technodup said:
don't expect them to stay forever, or not to move for good money. All I expect is they don't go to Celtic.
Bottom line is Scott Allan claims to be a bluenose. Rangers made bids. He put in a transfer request presumably to try to force Hibs to sell him to Rangers. Hibs refused and Celtic nipped in. I've no issue with Hibs or Celtic here btw, it's Allan's about face that is the galling thing for fans, and he's not helping saying it was an easy decision to make.
He's kind of like a st Mo Johnston. Unlike MoJo I doubt we'll remember him in a few years time.
Why's is it hard not to think Stubbs has an agenda? Bottom line is Scott Allan claims to be a bluenose. Rangers made bids. He put in a transfer request presumably to try to force Hibs to sell him to Rangers. Hibs refused and Celtic nipped in. I've no issue with Hibs or Celtic here btw, it's Allan's about face that is the galling thing for fans, and he's not helping saying it was an easy decision to make.
He's kind of like a s
t Mo Johnston. Unlike MoJo I doubt we'll remember him in a few years time.I've no idea how big a blue nose Allan apparently was. I have read comments, but who really knew? I see he has played down the claims saying they were exaggerated.
I wouldn't expect him to say anything other than it was an easy decision. If you join Rangers over Celtic, that would highlight a lack of ambition. The reasons he's just given in his interview were perfectly justified
Players will say whatever it takes to appease fans though. Loads buy into anything a player says.
Celtic were dire early last year. I'm sure you'll be surprised to find the quickfire pumpings didn't happen like, or as quickly as you think. Celtic went out against Inter Milan at the very end of February with a last gasp winner. That was after qualifying through the group stages of the Europa league.
So your minutes and seconds was actually quite a lot of games. It was a total of 14 games.
Afraid as good as Celtic will do is group stages of the Champions League, otherwise a bit of a run in the Europa League.
Driver101 said:
If you join Rangers over Celtic, that would highlight a lack of ambition.
Aye OK. What are Celtic's ambitions? Because they aren't investing to do well in Europe so it's the SPL again and see if they can actually get a treble without Rangers in the picture. Celtic are clearly bored of it. Their fans definitely are if they could only muster 42k for the first game at Parkhead as champions. Rangers had 49k at Ibrox but we are a diddy team in a diddy league with no ambition.
Driver101 said:
I'm sure you'll be surprised to find the quickfire pumpings didn't happen like, or as quickly as you think. Celtic went out against Inter Milan at the very end of February with a last gasp winner. That was after qualifying through the group stages of the Europa league.
Oh sorry, it was two CL ties in quick succession then. Either way it was the only treble they've managed recently.And in any event the Europa League isn't what I'd call ambition. The standard is s
te. It's embarrassing (for both) when we look back not so long and see CL wins against Barca, Juve, Parma, Leeds etc, and now they're struggling against teams you've literally never heard of.technodup said:
h sorry, it was two CL ties in quick succession then. Either way it was the only treble they've managed recently.
And in any event the Europa League isn't what I'd call ambition. The standard is ste. It's embarrassing (for both) when we look back not so long and see CL wins against Barca, Juve, Parma, Leeds etc, and now they're struggling against teams you've literally never heard of.
It's hard to gloat from where Rangers are. You've had a couple of wins and are getting far too far ahead of yourself again. Haven't you learned this from McCoist and Mccall? Every time there was a few good results, this was the tuning point, then it was really the turning point, it's most certainly different this time and repeat over and over. And in any event the Europa League isn't what I'd call ambition. The standard is s
te. It's embarrassing (for both) when we look back not so long and see CL wins against Barca, Juve, Parma, Leeds etc, and now they're struggling against teams you've literally never heard of.BBC give Celtic's crowd as over 45k, but I'm not sure why you're picking this argument? When was the last time, new or old, did Rangers have a higher average crowd than Celtic? What does it really prove now?
I was surprised to read so many turned up given the way the fans turned their backs in recent years. That crowd is 50% up on their average of last season. Like I said earlier, their is little loyalty in football, players and fans. Thick and thin doesn't exist.
You've signed a manager that hasn't got much of a track record in management, and players nobody had heard of that were released, yet that's been made out to be hugely positive. They appear to have started well.
A good start on the field is papering over the cracks that exist in the club.
The standard is s
te in the Europa league? It's significantly higher than it was years ago and Rangers fans still hang on to the glory of 2008 as if it was a major achievement. It's no Champions League, but nobody pretends it is. I think you'll be surprised at the funding some of the teams have that you haven't heard of. There has been some freak results too that didn't reflect the game. Also don't underplay the fact that these teams are already fully match fit and Celtic hadn't even played a single game.
So far they haven't even struggled this year. Easy second qualifying round, and so comfortable again Qarabag too. It should have been 3 at Celtic park and the same over there. They had two shots on target over 180 minutes. It wasn't a struggle even if there was only 1 goal in it.
Your not so long ago is a very long time ago. Things have changed in many many ways since those days.
In more recent years, you can pick numerous embarrassing nights for Rangers in Europe. However I'm failing to see where your points are leading and what is the point of it? What are you trying to justify?
In relation to Allan's decision, one team is secure and on the verge of qualifying for the pinnacle of club football's competitions, the other is in financial distress and playing in the Scottish Championship.
How you're trying to even to begin to compare the situations and see one as negative and the other positive, is nothing short of delusional. We've heard all this for years, the gloating keeps coming, then it still keeps blowing up in your faces. There is a real issue about not learning to walk before you can run.
Maybe there was 4000 extra fans at the game when you played your biggest rival, but it really actually makes no difference to the big picture.
Edited by Driver101 on Monday 17th August 23:28
Driver101 said:
In relation to Allan's decision, one team is secure and on the verge of qualifying for the pinnacle of club football's competitions, the other is in financial distress and playing in the Scottish Championship.
There's been no gloating from me, I've repeatedly accepted our failings but ultimately it wouldn't matter if we were in the junior leagues. We'd still be Rangers. With memories the diddy SPL teams will never have.And speaking of memories, we have long ones. Enjoy it while it lasts because when we're back where we belong we'll be unbearable.
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