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MaxAndRuby

6,792 posts

112 months

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Raja said:
Fair enough. As long as we don't sign an out of shape Scotsman, a pair of overpaid invisible Englishmen and someone that is destined to replicate the life of Paul Gascoine (off the pitch anyway) I'll be quite happy.

It is indeed that tier below world class, prospect (in the Alonso mould not the Henderson) that we should be looking at or as Keyzer mentioned experienced with something still to offer (Bellamy fits this imo).

With that in mind who would you (or anyone else) have as a striker and a winger?
I think Adam Johnson would be a really good signing, and actually I'd prefer to see Suso/Sterling introduced, than risk bucket loads of money bringing in more mediocrity. Every time I see a player I like, I just can't think of a reason why they'd come.

I didn't answer your question earlier, I do NOT rate Suarez as a world class footballer.

2seas

3,628 posts

63 months

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jammy_basturd said:
I wouldn't be looking to sign any players from Newcastle. We've already had our fingers burnt in that fire! hehe
I did a little digging and:

Andy Carroll for Newcastle in the Prem League scored 11 goals in 19 appearances.
Papiss Cisse for Newcastle in the Prem League scored 11 goals in 12 appearances (to date).

Now granted it looks like Cisse is doing better as he has scored the same in fewer games, but, what's to say he wont suddenly burn out? Cisse is 26 which I believe is considered to be the peak period (26-28) for a player. Andy Carroll is 23.

It seems a bit hypocritical to me to on the one hand slate Andy Carroll and write him off completely and on the other hand say Cisse would be a great signing...

GLENRED

7,142 posts

86 months

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Linked with this guy recently, I dont know much about him though?

http://www.talksport.co.uk/magazine/features/12042...


2seas

3,628 posts

63 months

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MaxAndRuby said:
Raja said:
Fair enough. As long as we don't sign an out of shape Scotsman, a pair of overpaid invisible Englishmen and someone that is destined to replicate the life of Paul Gascoine (off the pitch anyway) I'll be quite happy.

It is indeed that tier below world class, prospect (in the Alonso mould not the Henderson) that we should be looking at or as Keyzer mentioned experienced with something still to offer (Bellamy fits this imo).

With that in mind who would you (or anyone else) have as a striker and a winger?
I think Adam Johnson would be a really good signing, and actually I'd prefer to see Suso/Sterling introduced, than risk bucket loads of money bringing in more mediocrity. Every time I see a player I like, I just can't think of a reason why they'd come.

I didn't answer your question earlier, I do NOT rate Suarez as a world class footballer.
And yet Suarez is a sure starter and key player for Uruguay, who won the 2011 Copa America (scored 4 goals) and finished 4th in the last world cup (scored 3 goals). What standards are you using to define world class?

GLENRED

7,142 posts

86 months

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Raja said:
Is Jackson Martinez a world class striker or prospect? Apparently we're in for him.
http://www.ligapostobon.com.co/noticia/jackson-martinez-nuevo-jugador-de-liverpool-12654

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MaxAndRuby

6,792 posts

112 months

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2seas said:
What standards are you using to define world class?
Good question, and of course one that you can't cleary define. I'll give some examples.

Messi
Ronaldo
Xavi
Iniesta
Torres(of old)
Gerrard
Reina
Rooney
Aguero
Tevez

Those players in my view are "World Class". I suppose a definition could be a player who you could strongly argue to be in the squad of the best football club in the world.

2seas

3,628 posts

63 months

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MaxAndRuby said:
2seas said:
What standards are you using to define world class?
Good question, and of course one that you can't cleary define. I'll give some examples.

Messi
Ronaldo
Xavi
Iniesta
Torres(of old)
Gerrard
Reina
Rooney
Aguero
Tevez

Those players in my view are "World Class". I suppose a definition could be a player who you could strongly argue to be in the squad of the best football club in the world.
Fairy muff. By that standard I agree Suarez wouldn't make the "World XI". For the record my world XI would be:

Reina (yes I genuinely believe he's better than cassilas)
alves puyol ramos lahm
ronaldo iniesta xavi messi
van persie aguero

deadmau5

3,062 posts

60 months

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GLENRED said:
Raja said:
Is Jackson Martinez a world class striker or prospect? Apparently we're in for him.
http://www.ligapostobon.com.co/noticia/jackson-martinez-nuevo-jugador-de-liverpool-12654

translated

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Several Mexican media indicate that Liverpool already paid Jaguars a sum of money through the Jackson Martinez, who would be competing in the English Premier League.
One of the journalists with greater credibility in Mexico is Jorge Zambrano, in dialogue with RCN-antenna 2, released the figures of the negotiation with the English team, "Jackson is a player of other latitudes, so the directives of the Liverpool of England already paid three of the nine million dollars," said the Communicator.
Known the official version, the Aztec commentator gives as a fact the incorporation of Colombian striker "The Reds" as it is known in English as a whole, which is listed as one of the most important in Europe: "now if it can be said that he is already part of Liverpool".
However considers that surely his new team directives you think the opportunity in one of the sets which competes in the Premier League: "Suddenly going to transfer to another club that competes in that country by the modus operandi that occurs in Europe".
Therefore considers that this will be the last season of the "Cha-Cha-Cha" in manito, with Jaguars football: "Surely Mexico will no longer have more Jackson".
Martinez will become the second Colombian player, currently, in such prestigious League, for some years it has been doing the vallecaucano attacker Hugo Rodallega with Wigan.

Black can man

14,932 posts

48 months

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MaxAndRuby said:
2seas said:
What standards are you using to define world class?
Good question, and of course one that you can't cleary define. I'll give some examples.

Messi
Ronaldo
Xavi
Iniesta
Torres(of old)
Gerrard
Reina
Rooney
Aguero
Tevez

Those players in my view are "World Class". I suppose a definition could be a player who you could strongly argue to be in the squad of the best football club in the world.
Crikey Max are you really saying that Reina is the best keeper in the world ? he's not even the best in the premiership ,


2seas

3,628 posts

63 months

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Black can man said:
MaxAndRuby said:
2seas said:
What standards are you using to define world class?
Good question, and of course one that you can't cleary define. I'll give some examples.

Messi
Ronaldo
Xavi
Iniesta
Torres(of old)
Gerrard
Reina
Rooney
Aguero
Tevez

Those players in my view are "World Class". I suppose a definition could be a player who you could strongly argue to be in the squad of the best football club in the world.
Crikey Max are you really saying that Reina is the best keeper in the world ? he's not even the best in the premiership ,
yes he is, hart is a close second.

MaxAndRuby

6,792 posts

112 months

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Black can man said:
MaxAndRuby said:
2seas said:
What standards are you using to define world class?
Good question, and of course one that you can't cleary define. I'll give some examples.

Messi
Ronaldo
Xavi
Iniesta
Torres(of old)
Gerrard
Reina
Rooney
Aguero
Tevez

Those players in my view are "World Class". I suppose a definition could be a player who you could strongly argue to be in the squad of the best football club in the world.
Crikey Max are you really saying that Reina is the best keeper in the world ? he's not even the best in the premiership ,
No, I'm not. I don't think anyone would be shocked if someone suggested he should be in the squad of the best football club in the world though. So he meets my definition of "World Class".

Can't people read today?

MaxAndRuby

6,792 posts

112 months

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2seas said:
yes he is, hart is a close second.
Hart's better IMO, but he plays in a far superior side, so it's difficult to judge.

The Beaver King

4,605 posts

75 months

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As a Newcastle fan it does make me laugh to see some of the comments on here.

I've got no problem with Liverpool or any other football club for that matter (bar the dirty mackems), but you seriously need to look at your team.
You have some fantastic players at Liverpool, who viewed singularly, are top class. My personal opinion is that your current issues have little to do with individual players and more to do with how they play together.

There is no secret to NUFC's recent success. Hughton, and now PArdew, cleared all the high earning superstars from the squad and brought in younger players with future potential. They then went about moulding the team so they complimented each other. It was a slow process at the start of the season, but they finally clicked around Christmas. While I have no doubt there will be interest come the summer transfer window, I don't see many players going if we achieve Champions League (wishing) or Europa. The players have a very strong team spirit and enjoy the unexpected success they've achieved, but tactics have played a massive part in that.

The quote below gives some indication of that:

2seas said:
I did a little digging and:

Andy Carroll for Newcastle in the Prem League scored 11 goals in 19 appearances.
Papiss Cisse for Newcastle in the Prem League scored 11 goals in 12 appearances (to date).

Now granted it looks like Cisse is doing better as he has scored the same in fewer games, but, what's to say he wont suddenly burn out? Cisse is 26 which I believe is considered to be the peak period (26-28) for a player. Andy Carroll is 23.

It seems a bit hypocritical to me to on the one hand slate Andy Carroll and write him off completely and on the other hand say Cisse would be a great signing...
Andy Carroll was scoring regular goals while he played for us. He didn't just become st overnight. He was played in a very particular way with us and he fitted into the team. Played in the correct way, Carroll will start banging the goals in again.

Cisse is another one. Newcastle watched him for 2 years before making a move for him. They spent two years because they needed to be sure he would fit into the team that Pardew was trying to build. Which he has, hence why he has been scoring since day one. Everything was in place before he arrived and his style suits how we play.

It's time Liverpool did the sensible thing and forgot about big money signings and concentrated on building on what you have, a good team that needs to focus on their team work and tactics.

Still, that's just my opinion and I'm not a Liverpool fan, just an observer. Good luck with the rest of the season though.

GLENRED

7,142 posts

86 months

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The Beaver King said:
Cisse is another one. Newcastle watched him for 2 years before making a move for him. They spent two years because they needed to be sure he would fit into the team that Pardew was trying to build. Which he has, hence why he has been scoring since day one. Everything was in place before he arrived and his style suits how we play.
Paerdew has only been at Newcastle since December 2010?

The Beaver King

4,605 posts

75 months

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GLENRED said:
The Beaver King said:
Cisse is another one. Newcastle watched him for 2 years before making a move for him. They spent two years because they needed to be sure he would fit into the team that Pardew was trying to build. Which he has, hence why he has been scoring since day one. Everything was in place before he arrived and his style suits how we play.
Paerdew has only been at Newcastle since December 2010?
Indeed, which is why I said Newcastle were watching him. While Pardew has been the managerial driving force behind our recent revival, the groundwork was being layed 2008/09 when we were relegated. Our time in the championship was used to offload over-priced players and put together a core of central players to build around. Hughton somehow managed to get us back up in one season, but Pardew was already being lined up to assume control as he was deemed the right manager to carry out Newcastles new strategy.

jammy_basturd

9,869 posts

92 months

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The Beaver King said:
It's time Liverpool did the sensible thing and forgot about big money signings and concentrated on building on what you have, a good team that needs to focus on their team work and tactics.
Good luck pushing that agenda here! Some of the more "extreme fans" on here want results in a matter of weeks or months.

The Beaver King

4,605 posts

75 months

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jammy_basturd said:
The Beaver King said:
It's time Liverpool did the sensible thing and forgot about big money signings and concentrated on building on what you have, a good team that needs to focus on their team work and tactics.
Good luck pushing that agenda here! Some of the more "extreme fans" on here want results in a matter of weeks or months.
Aye, as a Newcastle fan I always wanted instant results, but there comes a point where fans have to realise that it's better to get it right and have a st season or two, rather than trying to hold back the flood by throwing money at it.

Our experience with Michael Owen and other 'superstars' proves that.

MaxAndRuby

6,792 posts

112 months

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The Beaver King said:
Andy Carroll was scoring regular goals while he played for us. He didn't just become st overnight. He was played in a very particular way with us and he fitted into the team. Played in the correct way, Carroll will start banging the goals in again.

It's time Liverpool did the sensible thing and forgot about big money signings and concentrated on building on what you have, a good team that needs to focus on their team work and tactics.
Wise words.

hornetrider

45,903 posts

85 months

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MaxAndRuby said:
The Beaver King said:
Andy Carroll was scoring regular goals while he played for us. He didn't just become st overnight. He was played in a very particular way with us and he fitted into the team. Played in the correct way, Carroll will start banging the goals in again.

It's time Liverpool did the sensible thing and forgot about big money signings and concentrated on building on what you have, a good team that needs to focus on their team work and tactics.
Wise words.
Unfortunately there are certain types of shouty supporter who demand instant results, rather than letting new players bed in.

2seas

3,628 posts

63 months

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hornetrider said:
MaxAndRuby said:
The Beaver King said:
Andy Carroll was scoring regular goals while he played for us. He didn't just become st overnight. He was played in a very particular way with us and he fitted into the team. Played in the correct way, Carroll will start banging the goals in again.

It's time Liverpool did the sensible thing and forgot about big money signings and concentrated on building on what you have, a good team that needs to focus on their team work and tactics.
Wise words.
Unfortunately there are certain types of shouty supporter who demand instant results, rather than letting new players bed in.
and 1 or even 2 domestic cups won't hold them back..

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