The Official Liverpool Thread, Volume 3

The Official Liverpool Thread, Volume 3

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m3sye

26,231 posts

201 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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I think were all aware in here Thom our problem is not getting ourselves up for single games !!
We will deffo give Chelsea a game!

Also with the Champs league final being 2 weeks after FAcup final a battering tonight would suit us better I reckon.

Thom987

3,185 posts

166 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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Chelsea arent being battered tonight, if anything they could nick a goal, which would certainly liven things up a bit.

jammy_basturd

29,778 posts

212 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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Doesn't matter what the result for Chelsea was tonight, either way it was going to be a physically draining match.

Thom987

3,185 posts

166 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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Did someone say Torres would get the winner?

DSLiverpool

14,725 posts

202 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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Messi a shoe in for Liverpool next season, bar, post, missed pen, pulling defeat from the jaws of victory - 100% red.

Raja

8,290 posts

235 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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I don't think it matters either way if Chelsea won or lost tonight on the outcome of the FA Cup final.

Just hope we can get some form together and if anything get Suarez and Carroll linking up better.




Uhura fighter

7,018 posts

183 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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From the beeb text page:

Jamie Bird on Twitter: "To play like that, ride your luck and get a result thanks to a much-maligned ex-LFC striker deserves credit. Well done Bolton!"


hehe

2seas

3,678 posts

183 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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I found this extract (taken from the Tomkins Times) quite interesting, it underlines my opinion that we should give Carroll more time and not look to offload him in the summer:

"Now, I rate Andy Carroll reasonably highly. I think he’s playing well right now, and is a good target-man. He’s got underrated technique, and looks capable of scoring more goals than he does at present; this analysis by Andrew Beasleypoints out that he aims for the corners, rather than just blasting at goal. As such, he’s had a lot of near misses by trying to do the right thing, when closing his eyes and belting it, or even scuffing it, might have had better results. There’s a player in there, I have no doubt; the question is, whether it can be brought outsufficiently at Liverpool, and whether it’s worth the time and effort (and money) trying.
Let’s be clear: his record since joining Liverpool is mediocre at best. Again, if he was paired alongside a nimble poacher – or if Suarez could somehow translate his Ajax scoring form – then it becomes less of an issue. Didier Drogba only scored 10 league goals when Chelsea won their first Premier League title in 2004/05, even with the abundance of quality in that side (that was with Damien Duff and Arjen Robben on the flanks, not Henderson and Downing).
A year later, when the title was retained, it was still only 12 league goals from the big Ivorian. But elsewhere, players like Robben and Frank Lampard were banging them in. Drogba could be the menace-maker, while others pounced amid the mayhem. Carroll, though still three years younger than Drogba when he arrived in England, is capable of performing a similar role. (At Carroll’s age, Drogba hadn’t even played in a top division; aged 23, he was with Le Mans in the second tier of the French league, where he’d scored just 12 goals in 64 games. This is not to say that Carroll will be better than Drogba, or even get to be as good, but it does show how big strikers can get better with age.)"



XMES RUS

1,318 posts

224 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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2seas said:
I found this extract (taken from the Tomkins Times) quite interesting, it underlines my opinion that we should give Carroll more time and not look to offload him in the summer:

"Now, I rate Andy Carroll reasonably highly. I think he’s playing well right now, and is a good target-man. He’s got underrated technique, and looks capable of scoring more goals than he does at present; this analysis by Andrew Beasleypoints out that he aims for the corners, rather than just blasting at goal. As such, he’s had a lot of near misses by trying to do the right thing, when closing his eyes and belting it, or even scuffing it, might have had better results. There’s a player in there, I have no doubt; the question is, whether it can be brought outsufficiently at Liverpool, and whether it’s worth the time and effort (and money) trying.
Let’s be clear: his record since joining Liverpool is mediocre at best. Again, if he was paired alongside a nimble poacher – or if Suarez could somehow translate his Ajax scoring form – then it becomes less of an issue. Didier Drogba only scored 10 league goals when Chelsea won their first Premier League title in 2004/05, even with the abundance of quality in that side (that was with Damien Duff and Arjen Robben on the flanks, not Henderson and Downing).
A year later, when the title was retained, it was still only 12 league goals from the big Ivorian. But elsewhere, players like Robben and Frank Lampard were banging them in. Drogba could be the menace-maker, while others pounced amid the mayhem. Carroll, though still three years younger than Drogba when he arrived in England, is capable of performing a similar role. (At Carroll’s age, Drogba hadn’t even played in a top division; aged 23, he was with Le Mans in the second tier of the French league, where he’d scored just 12 goals in 64 games. This is not to say that Carroll will be better than Drogba, or even get to be as good, but it does show how big strikers can get better with age.)"
This thread should be remaned to "The Offical Optimistic thread, Volume 3".

GLENRED

8,461 posts

206 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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XMES RUS said:
This thread should be remaned to "The Offical Optimistic thread, Volume 3".
I guess being an Everton fan, you havent much to look forward too? maybe finishing aboove us.... whoopee party

XMES RUS

1,318 posts

224 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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GLENRED said:
I guess being an Everton fan, you havent much to look forward too? maybe finishing aboove us.... whoopee party
Your research fella is as about as good as Liverpools season, very poor!.

Im a Man U fan.

MaxAndRuby

6,792 posts

232 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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2seas said:
he aims for the corners, rather than just blasting at goal. As such, he’s had a lot of near misses by trying to do the right thing, when closing his eyes and belting it, or even scuffing it, might have had better results.
Tomkins really has no problems with his "glass is half full" philosophy, but that is stretching optimism to a new extreme level. In fact, it's embarrassing.

btw I haven't given up on Carroll, but he may aswell highlight the financial benefit of not scoring, gained from lower net maintenance costs.

2seas

3,678 posts

183 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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MaxAndRuby said:
2seas said:
he aims for the corners, rather than just blasting at goal. As such, he’s had a lot of near misses by trying to do the right thing, when closing his eyes and belting it, or even scuffing it, might have had better results.
Tomkins really has no problems with his "glass is half full" philosophy, but that is stretching optimism to a new extreme level. In fact, it's embarrassing.

btw I haven't given up on Carroll, but he may aswell highlight the financial benefit of not scoring, gained from lower net maintenance costs.
The main point is Drogba was slow to get started and there are a number of other players who went on to be prolific who had poor starts. Ronaldo was slated in his first season in the prem. Nani was similarly slated. I could go on an on giving examples of players who came good because their managers were willing to show some faith in them.

This seemingly ubiquitous view that only players who are instantly successful will ever be successful, is a plague on the modern game. It's not blind optimism to think Carroll will come good. We know he's strong, he can score goals - he's demonstrated that, albeit briefly for Newcastle. He's also young. Why can't people learn lessons from the past and show some patience?


XMES RUS

1,318 posts

224 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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2seas said:
The main point is Drogba was slow to get started and there are a number of other players who went on to be prolific who had poor starts. Ronaldo was slated in his first season in the prem. Nani was similarly slated. I could go on an on giving examples of players who came good because their managers were willing to show some faith in them.

This seemingly ubiquitous view that only players who are instantly successful will ever be successful, is a plague on the modern game. It's not blind optimism to think Carroll will come good. We know he's strong, he can score goals - he's demonstrated that, albeit briefly for Newcastle. He's also young. Why can't people learn lessons from the past and show some patience?
35million would test my patience, sorry but the guys a dud, he will not improve in the current team and with the manager in the charge.

Black can man

31,830 posts

168 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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Wouldn't it be amazing if fernando Torres & Raul Meireles were to win the Champions league

Dan_1981

17,375 posts

199 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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Black can man said:
Wouldn't it be amazing if fernando Torres & Raul Meireles were to win the Champions league
No more amazing than Djimi Traore winning it.

Average players - they have a habit of being in the right place at the right time

wink

hornetrider

63,161 posts

205 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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Black can man said:
Wouldn't it be amazing if fernando Torres & Raul Meireles were to win the Champions league
I think two other honorary scousers will get their paws on it this year - Xabi and Arby.

mickk

28,827 posts

242 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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hornetrider said:
Black can man said:
Wouldn't it be amazing if fernando Torres & Raul Meireles were to win the Champions league
I think two other honorary scousers will get their paws on it this year - Xabi and Arby.
I hope you're right.

GLENRED

8,461 posts

206 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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Black can man said:
Wouldn't it be amazing if fernando Torres & Raul Meireles were to win the Champions league
Why would it be amazing?

Black can man

31,830 posts

168 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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hornetrider said:
Black can man said:
Wouldn't it be amazing if fernando Torres & Raul Meireles were to win the Champions league
I think two other honorary scousers will get their paws on it this year - Xabi and Arby.
So if Real win tonight would there be four ex Liverpool players featuring in the final ?
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