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GestapoWatch
943 posts
59 months
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dmulally said: GestapoWatch said: Feel so privileged to have pretty much seen him play in every game since coming through at Barca (thanks to Sky and Ryanair!) along with the other players he's been teamed up with. Quick question as I havent seen him play as much as you. Does he ever have an off day and get angry or frustrated? I always see him have a blinder and smile at everyone. Two things about the modern game that upset me are backchatting the ref and when a player scores they will push away their team mates like they want to punch them. I can count on my hands the amount of times Messi has had a quiet game and usually the team has had much the same! I don't know for sure but I think a combination of his nature and a very vocal supportive group around him keep him as chipper as he always seems to be. He has had the odd lash out but it is very out of character (god I sound like his mum or teacher) but even when hacked to bits by Real Madrid in every Clasico he seems to brush it off. Mostly I think he expects it anyway as it really is the only way to stop him sometimes. Slightly related also if he has a mentor of sorts they probably realised long ago that his unwillingness to go down and roll around like a big baby is good PR. How many times do we hear what a wonderful individual he is for this very reason? Oh and he earned €31m last year through wages and sponsorship 
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flatline84
1,060 posts
26 months
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That is probably less than Beckham, so I`d say barca are getting their moneys worth!
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Dracoro
6,669 posts
114 months
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ArmaghMan said: Not a pups chance in hell of him going down as the greatest of all time.
He must win a world cup to do that or at least get to the final. Does that mean NO player from any of the weaker nations are "allowed" to have the greatest player of all time? It doesn't matter how good they are, they will never be the best? Really odd and, imo, silly argument. Actually, could it not be argued that Cryuff, Pele, Zidane, Maradonna etc were VERY LUCKY in that they have the nationality of a competitive nation? What if Maradona/Pele/etc happened to be Scottish?
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flatline84
1,060 posts
26 months
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If messi was english he could never be the greatest, because our team will never pick up a f  king title will they. Flawed arguement imo.
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franki68
1,417 posts
90 months
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George best never played in a wc,never stopped many considering him the greatest.
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obob
2,986 posts
63 months
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CraigMST said: GestapoWatch said: Feel so privileged to have pretty much seen him play in every game since coming through at Barca (thanks to Sky and Ryanair!) along with the other players he's been teamed up with.
I know its a Messi thread but I have to mention Xavi whenever I talk about Barca - absolutely one of the best creative midfielders I have ever seen and a very humble person who stills lives with is family! Iniesta too. Iniesta is on par with Xavi I think. 2 more goals tonight. The team didn't play that well neither. 2-0 win is better than nothing tho. Can't see Real losing another game though. Paul Scholes is better, plus he's ginger.
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groak
3,254 posts
48 months
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Dracoro said: Maradonna etc were VERY LUCKY in that they have the nationality of a competitive nation? What if Maradona/Pele/etc happened to be Scottish? Then they'd be getting mentioned alongside the likes of Baxter, Law, Johnstone and Dalglish.
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flatline84
1,060 posts
26 months
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obob said: Paul Scholes is better, plus he's ginger. Err no, Scholes cant even dribble past a single person, while Iniesta isnt far behind Messi in that area. Not even comparable.
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Dracoro
6,669 posts
114 months
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groak said: Dracoro said: Maradonna etc were VERY LUCKY in that they have the nationality of a competitive nation? What if Maradona/Pele/etc happened to be Scottish? Then they'd be getting mentioned alongside the likes of Baxter, Law, Johnstone and Dalglish. LOL  Only in Scotland, the rest of the world won't know who you are talking about
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CIE560
10,432 posts
62 months
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flatline84 said: obob said: Paul Scholes is better, plus he's ginger. Err no, Scholes cant even dribble past a single person, while Iniesta isnt far behind Messi in that area. Not even comparable. Xavi: “He can play the final pass, he can score, he is strong, he never gets knocked off the ball and he doesn’t give possession away. If he had been Spanish then maybe he would have been valued more.” Iniesta: “(Scholes and Giggs) are living legends. They have played a great number of games, have broken records, have won titles and furthermore they prove they in every game they are great professionals.” Messi: “At La Masia (Barcelona’s Academy) his name was mentioned a lot. He’s a teacher.” Pep Guardiola: “Out of everyone at Manchester United, I would pick out Scholes – he is the best midfielder of his generation. I would have loved to have played alongside him.” I'd say pretty comparable. Of course there's no "better" player because they're all fantastic.
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GestapoWatch
943 posts
59 months
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Can't see the Scholes and Iniesta comparison as they approach the game slightly differently in my opinion. Though both world class in their own right 
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CIE560
10,432 posts
62 months
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GestapoWatch said: Though both world class in their own right Agreed. None is better than the other.
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obob
2,986 posts
63 months
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flatline84 said: obob said: Paul Scholes is better, plus he's ginger. Err no, Scholes cant even dribble past a single person, while Iniesta isnt far behind Messi in that area. Not even comparable. Haha, shows what you know about football.
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flatline84
1,060 posts
26 months
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obob said: Haha, shows what you know about football. If you go comparing them, thats a big difference, wouldnt you say? One can dribble, the other cant? Aside from that scholes was a brilliant fotballer.
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obob
2,986 posts
63 months
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flatline84 said: obob said: Haha, shows what you know about football. If you go comparing them, thats a big difference, wouldnt you say? One can dribble, the other cant? Aside from that scholes was a brilliant fotballer. One can land a ball in someone's lap from 50 yards 10 times out of 10, the other can't. Anyway the posts I was responding to were about Xavi. Anyway the thread is about Messi.
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Soir
1,882 posts
108 months
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I stand by my post on first page back in Jan saying he is arguably the best player of all time. It's always going to go down to personal preference. But for me, I think he is.
World cups are irrelevant, Maradonna stood out (and was my no1 before messi) because it was an average team.
But you can't say George Best wasn't one of the greatest footballers ever because his national team did nothing. Nor can you say Zidane dragged an average team to win the WC (as earlier poster said) Look back at the WC winning France team, the whole team was superb, world class players in ever position (sometimes 2) just read the squad names and then say it was an average side?!
1) Messi
2) Marradonna
3) Pele
4) George Best
(not the best but my personal favourite...Cantona!)
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obob
2,986 posts
63 months
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Soir said: I stand by my post on first page back in Jan saying he is arguably the best player of all time. It's always going to go down to personal preference. But for me, I think he is.
World cups are irrelevant, Maradonna stood out (and was my no1 before messi) because it was an average team.
But you can't say George Best wasn't one of the greatest footballers ever because his national team did nothing. Nor can you say Zidane dragged an average team to win the WC (as earlier poster said) Look back at the WC winning France team, the whole team was superb, world class players in ever position (sometimes 2) just read the squad names and then say it was an average side?!
1) Messi
2) Marradonna
3) Pele
4) George Best
(not the best but my personal favourite...Cantona!) Yeah that was me, just had a look at the France 98 squad and it is a lot better than I remembered. Anyway my point was that Maradona has no questions surrounding him, Messi has a slight one in that he can not replicate his form when he plays for an (above) average side (Argentina). Otherwise he would go straight to the top of my list, however I don't include players I haven't seen regularly so it goes - 1. Maradona 2. Messi 3. Zidane 4. Ronaldo (fatty) My personal fave is Cantona too or Scholes and I'm am Arsenal fan!
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Booey
6,499 posts
49 months
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ray von
1,885 posts
121 months
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Never mentioned Sessegnon, which is strange considering this picture 
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Black can man
10,884 posts
37 months
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Oh my days did you see that !
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