The Official Arsenal Thread (Volume2)
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Lost soul said:
Jasey@ said:
Chad_Hugo said:
This has been a very strange season- we are in a false position and third massively flatters us.
We have been extremely fortunate that Chelsea appointed the wrong manager which ruined their whole domestic campaign, Liverpool made disastrous signings which meant they never even competed, and Spurs imploded partly due to Redknapp/England rumors and uncertainty.
If these three things had not occurred in the same season, we would now be 5th, probably even 6th. We have regressed, several co-incidences and the fact that Van Persie has been fit for the entire season have kept us in the CL places, but we have far too many average, and downright mediocre players to compete for any significant trophy.
Regarding M'Vila, the rumors of the deal being 99% done were started by some reputable french journalists, however the info comes entirely from the player and his camp who they are close to, the idea is to convince inter and or madrid to bid, as the moment we are the only club to have expressed serious interest apparently. What we can say with some certainty is that the player is very keen to join us, and would reject a move to Italy. 60,000 per week and transfer fee of around 16-17 million would do it, he has no intention to sign a extension with Rennes but we are very far from completing the deal.
The problem is that as much as we want to deny it, if we buy M'Vila there is a good chance it means Wenger fears he can't convince Song to sign a new deal, and he will leave. Song has 2 years left and is refusing to even discuss an extension.
So in other words it's more of the same thing we have had for 7 years now- one step forward two steps back. We invest in young players, patiently wait for them to develop winning nothing in the process as we are in 'transition', then they leave when they reach their potential, and we replace them with young players who need time to adjust/develop.
So it looks like it's back to square one, and the cycle continues.
Nail ---> Head.We have been extremely fortunate that Chelsea appointed the wrong manager which ruined their whole domestic campaign, Liverpool made disastrous signings which meant they never even competed, and Spurs imploded partly due to Redknapp/England rumors and uncertainty.
If these three things had not occurred in the same season, we would now be 5th, probably even 6th. We have regressed, several co-incidences and the fact that Van Persie has been fit for the entire season have kept us in the CL places, but we have far too many average, and downright mediocre players to compete for any significant trophy.
Regarding M'Vila, the rumors of the deal being 99% done were started by some reputable french journalists, however the info comes entirely from the player and his camp who they are close to, the idea is to convince inter and or madrid to bid, as the moment we are the only club to have expressed serious interest apparently. What we can say with some certainty is that the player is very keen to join us, and would reject a move to Italy. 60,000 per week and transfer fee of around 16-17 million would do it, he has no intention to sign a extension with Rennes but we are very far from completing the deal.
The problem is that as much as we want to deny it, if we buy M'Vila there is a good chance it means Wenger fears he can't convince Song to sign a new deal, and he will leave. Song has 2 years left and is refusing to even discuss an extension.
So in other words it's more of the same thing we have had for 7 years now- one step forward two steps back. We invest in young players, patiently wait for them to develop winning nothing in the process as we are in 'transition', then they leave when they reach their potential, and we replace them with young players who need time to adjust/develop.
So it looks like it's back to square one, and the cycle continues.
Things wont be improving anytime soon without a major overhaul of the way things are done.
The problem with that is the process of overhauling is just too risky without a sugar daddy investor with deep pockets !
king mess that was last summer and the start of this season....we bought two or three very experienced players at the death and we've signed another very early this summer. I really think against the clubs I honestly think are out peers right now we are not in a terrible situation...I'd rather be where we are than Chelsea, Spurs or Liverpool. I don't include either of the Manchester clubs as frankly they are streets ahead of anyone else right now...we are not going to challenge them unless we are very,very lucky with injuries and make another couple of big signings.
Chelsea - Di Matteo has come in and done a good job but if he gets the job for good is he really the right person to deal with the ego's in that squad and integrate the new players they need to sign? He's everyone's mate at the moment but they have an old squad and he'll have huge issues dealing with that. I reckon the reason they are apparently not offering Drogba a contract is that he's a key part of the player power....on a football basis he obviously has more in him.
Spurs - Again they have a lot of older players and they also seemingly star players seemingly keen to look at options. Adebayor is probably too expensive to sign permenantly , Saha is a stop gap, Defoe doesn't get a game, great player that he is King is probably past it, Gallas must nearly be past it etc etc
Liverpool - Who the hell knows what will happen with them. If it was anyone except Dalglish in charge I reckon they'd fire the manager.
Obviously that's assuming we finish third and RVP is wearing red and white next season.
RacingPete said:
Cheib said:
Obviously that's assuming we finish third and RVP is wearing red and white next season.
Neither of those are guaranteed, which makes Sunday game the biggest in a long time for Arsenal.But like most - I'm not confident they will !!!
Luckily neither will Spurs
but Newcastle might
RacingPete said:
Cheib said:
Obviously that's assuming we finish third and RVP is wearing red and white next season.
Neither of those are guaranteed, which makes Sunday game the biggest in a long time for Arsenal.
Jasey@ said:
Chad_Hugo said:
This has been a very strange season- we are in a false position and third massively flatters us.
We have been extremely fortunate that Chelsea appointed the wrong manager which ruined their whole domestic campaign, Liverpool made disastrous signings which meant they never even competed, and Spurs imploded partly due to Redknapp/England rumors and uncertainty.
If these three things had not occurred in the same season, we would now be 5th, probably even 6th. We have regressed, several co-incidences and the fact that Van Persie has been fit for the entire season have kept us in the CL places, but we have far too many average, and downright mediocre players to compete for any significant trophy.
Regarding M'Vila, the rumors of the deal being 99% done were started by some reputable french journalists, however the info comes entirely from the player and his camp who they are close to, the idea is to convince inter and or madrid to bid, as the moment we are the only club to have expressed serious interest apparently. What we can say with some certainty is that the player is very keen to join us, and would reject a move to Italy. 60,000 per week and transfer fee of around 16-17 million would do it, he has no intention to sign a extension with Rennes but we are very far from completing the deal.
The problem is that as much as we want to deny it, if we buy M'Vila there is a good chance it means Wenger fears he can't convince Song to sign a new deal, and he will leave. Song has 2 years left and is refusing to even discuss an extension.
So in other words it's more of the same thing we have had for 7 years now- one step forward two steps back. We invest in young players, patiently wait for them to develop winning nothing in the process as we are in 'transition', then they leave when they reach their potential, and we replace them with young players who need time to adjust/develop.
So it looks like it's back to square one, and the cycle continues.
Nail ---> Head.We have been extremely fortunate that Chelsea appointed the wrong manager which ruined their whole domestic campaign, Liverpool made disastrous signings which meant they never even competed, and Spurs imploded partly due to Redknapp/England rumors and uncertainty.
If these three things had not occurred in the same season, we would now be 5th, probably even 6th. We have regressed, several co-incidences and the fact that Van Persie has been fit for the entire season have kept us in the CL places, but we have far too many average, and downright mediocre players to compete for any significant trophy.
Regarding M'Vila, the rumors of the deal being 99% done were started by some reputable french journalists, however the info comes entirely from the player and his camp who they are close to, the idea is to convince inter and or madrid to bid, as the moment we are the only club to have expressed serious interest apparently. What we can say with some certainty is that the player is very keen to join us, and would reject a move to Italy. 60,000 per week and transfer fee of around 16-17 million would do it, he has no intention to sign a extension with Rennes but we are very far from completing the deal.
The problem is that as much as we want to deny it, if we buy M'Vila there is a good chance it means Wenger fears he can't convince Song to sign a new deal, and he will leave. Song has 2 years left and is refusing to even discuss an extension.
So in other words it's more of the same thing we have had for 7 years now- one step forward two steps back. We invest in young players, patiently wait for them to develop winning nothing in the process as we are in 'transition', then they leave when they reach their potential, and we replace them with young players who need time to adjust/develop.
So it looks like it's back to square one, and the cycle continues.
Things wont be improving anytime soon without a major overhaul of the way things are done.
The problem with that is the process of overhauling is just too risky without a sugar daddy investor with deep pockets !
I think Usmanov is now in the top 10-12 richest people in the world.
He currently owns just over 30% of Arsenal, there was a 'lock down' agreement in place which prevented shareholders and board members from selling their shares to him, which had a termination clause however and in any case expires in October 2012. Usmanov bought David Dein's shares for £75 million, apparently Dein is working closely with his company Red & White holding which one day hopes to take over Arsenal.
People inside the club have been suspicious of Usmanov from the start, I think the key is to try and establish what his motives are- does he want the glory similar to Abramovich, is he simply an investor, or a bit of both? I'm not sure if we know what his true intentions are, even though he has been a lot more vocal recently.
One thing is for sure, if he did take over the club and was determined to see us win titles we would be able to sign virtually any player in the world with his financial backing.
It all depends if Kroenke is a strategic investor who is just waiting for us to sign the big commercial deals once our current deals for naming rights and sponsorship expire in the next 1-2 years and will then cash in as he knows Usmanov wants to take over and would pay well above the odds to do so.
I don't know if Usmanov is the answer, but I do know that we won't win another trophy with this combination of manager/chief executive/board.
A decent signing here and there won't bring us much closer, there are too many different problems that have been festering for too long.
West Brom this weekend is our cup final
, considering Van Persie's situation biggest game of the past few years..Chad_Hugo said:
We already have a sugar daddy investor or at least a potential one in Alisher Usmanov. Total worth around 12.3 billion £ ($20 billion) according to Sunday Times rich list 2012, making him the second richest person in the UK, some 3 billion ahead of Abramovich. Financially he's on another level to Kroenke.
I think Usmanov is now in the top 10-12 richest people in the world.
He currently owns just over 30% of Arsenal, there was a 'lock down' agreement in place which prevented shareholders and board members from selling their shares to him, which had a termination clause however and in any case expires in October 2012. Usmanov bought David Dein's shares for £75 million, apparently Dein is working closely with his company Red & White holding which one day hopes to take over Arsenal.
People inside the club have been suspicious of Usmanov from the start, I think the key is to try and establish what his motives are- does he want the glory similar to Abramovich, is he simply an investor, or a bit of both? I'm not sure if we know what his true intentions are, even though he has been a lot more vocal recently.
One thing is for sure, if he did take over the club and was determined to see us win titles we would be able to sign virtually any player in the world with his financial backing.
It all depends if Kroenke is a strategic investor who is just waiting for us to sign the big commercial deals once our current deals for naming rights and sponsorship expire in the next 1-2 years and will then cash in as he knows Usmanov wants to take over and would pay well above the odds to do so.
I don't know if Usmanov is the answer, but I do know that we won't win another trophy with this combination of manager/chief executive/board.
A decent signing here and there won't bring us much closer, there are too many different problems that have been festering for too long.
West Brom this weekend is our cup final, considering Van Persie's situation biggest game of the past few years..
Indeed though with effectively a hung management structure nobody is going to put any money in any time soon. A lot of people mistakenly refer to Kronke as the "Owner"...he's not he is the majority shareholder which is a big difference. It's a sodding mess which I don't see resolving itself. I think Usmanov is now in the top 10-12 richest people in the world.
He currently owns just over 30% of Arsenal, there was a 'lock down' agreement in place which prevented shareholders and board members from selling their shares to him, which had a termination clause however and in any case expires in October 2012. Usmanov bought David Dein's shares for £75 million, apparently Dein is working closely with his company Red & White holding which one day hopes to take over Arsenal.
People inside the club have been suspicious of Usmanov from the start, I think the key is to try and establish what his motives are- does he want the glory similar to Abramovich, is he simply an investor, or a bit of both? I'm not sure if we know what his true intentions are, even though he has been a lot more vocal recently.
One thing is for sure, if he did take over the club and was determined to see us win titles we would be able to sign virtually any player in the world with his financial backing.
It all depends if Kroenke is a strategic investor who is just waiting for us to sign the big commercial deals once our current deals for naming rights and sponsorship expire in the next 1-2 years and will then cash in as he knows Usmanov wants to take over and would pay well above the odds to do so.
I don't know if Usmanov is the answer, but I do know that we won't win another trophy with this combination of manager/chief executive/board.
A decent signing here and there won't bring us much closer, there are too many different problems that have been festering for too long.
West Brom this weekend is our cup final
, considering Van Persie's situation biggest game of the past few years..The problem with Usmanov is that he is associated with David Dein who the board rode out of town for arranging for Kronke to buy ITV's 10% shareholding.....or course he is now absolutely fine.
The real f
king idiot is Hill-Wood....he should have been fired long ago for rank mis-management....in any normal company he'd have been fired long ago.Cheib said:
The real fking idiot is Hill-Wood....he should have been fired long ago for rank mis-management....in any normal company he'd have been fired long ago.
I'd add Gazidis to that list. If there is anyone that can point out to me what he has done for the club since he arrived i will happily be enlightened. king idiot is Hill-Wood....he should have been fired long ago for rank mis-management....in any normal company he'd have been fired long ago.Gazidis has been a very poor appointment, and Hill-Wood is a joke really.
Their joint handling of the Fabregas situation showed their incompetence, the same to a lesser extent can be said of Nasri sale, and the failure to tie up the Mata deal last summer.
A lot of Arsenal fans think Viera leaving was the biggest loss we have suffered in recent years- it was actually David Dein who apart from being a passionate Arsenal fan was a massively ambitious for the club, if he was still chairman things would be quite different, especially as far as signing players and negotiating contracts.
Gazidis just does not have the contacts, experience, clout, or authority which David Dein did, he is not nearly as well respected or regarded in football circles and we have suffered because of this at times.
We've got to beat West Brom to stand any realistic chance of keeping Van Persie, I think it will be close because we are under huge pressure but we will manage to win.
Their joint handling of the Fabregas situation showed their incompetence, the same to a lesser extent can be said of Nasri sale, and the failure to tie up the Mata deal last summer.
A lot of Arsenal fans think Viera leaving was the biggest loss we have suffered in recent years- it was actually David Dein who apart from being a passionate Arsenal fan was a massively ambitious for the club, if he was still chairman things would be quite different, especially as far as signing players and negotiating contracts.
Gazidis just does not have the contacts, experience, clout, or authority which David Dein did, he is not nearly as well respected or regarded in football circles and we have suffered because of this at times.
We've got to beat West Brom to stand any realistic chance of keeping Van Persie, I think it will be close because we are under huge pressure but we will manage to win.
If Uzmanove somehow did get to wrest full control of the club, and you COULD in theory buy any player in world football, do you reckon Wenger would hang around a little longer to spend it? After all, it goes against pretty much all he has stood for over the past decade and a half, surely?
Smart Mart said:
If Uzmanove somehow did get to wrest full control of the club, and you COULD in theory buy any player in world football, do you reckon Wenger would hang around a little longer to spend it? After all, it goes against pretty much all he has stood for over the past decade and a half, surely?
Wenger would no longer be the right man for Arsenal if that happened - Perhaps he could go to Spuds - he can work wonders with team working on a shoe string Chad_Hugo said:
Gazidis has been a very poor appointment, and Hill-Wood is a joke really.
Their joint handling of the Fabregas situation showed their incompetence, the same to a lesser extent can be said of Nasri sale, and the failure to tie up the Mata deal last summer.
A lot of Arsenal fans think Viera leaving was the biggest loss we have suffered in recent years- it was actually David Dein who apart from being a passionate Arsenal fan was a massively ambitious for the club, if he was still chairman things would be quite different, especially as far as signing players and negotiating contracts.
Gazidis just does not have the contacts, experience, clout, or authority which David Dein did, he is not nearly as well respected or regarded in football circles and we have suffered because of this at times.
We've got to beat West Brom to stand any realistic chance of keeping Van Persie, I think it will be close because we are under huge pressure but we will manage to win.
exactly what he said.Their joint handling of the Fabregas situation showed their incompetence, the same to a lesser extent can be said of Nasri sale, and the failure to tie up the Mata deal last summer.
A lot of Arsenal fans think Viera leaving was the biggest loss we have suffered in recent years- it was actually David Dein who apart from being a passionate Arsenal fan was a massively ambitious for the club, if he was still chairman things would be quite different, especially as far as signing players and negotiating contracts.
Gazidis just does not have the contacts, experience, clout, or authority which David Dein did, he is not nearly as well respected or regarded in football circles and we have suffered because of this at times.
We've got to beat West Brom to stand any realistic chance of keeping Van Persie, I think it will be close because we are under huge pressure but we will manage to win.
end of.
flasher said:
Sunday is almost a poisoned chalice. Win and the status quo will be maintained, lose and the club will be forced to change.
I just hope we don't lose RVP, he's an absolute superstar at the peak of his career.
Can't see you losing to WBA TBH. See what I did there? It would be a poor show not to get a result against them. History suggests you'll win. 6 out of the last ten.I just hope we don't lose RVP, he's an absolute superstar at the peak of his career.
flasher said:
Sunday is almost a poisoned chalice. Win and the status quo will be maintained, lose and the club will be forced to change.
I just hope we don't lose RVP, he's an absolute superstar at the peak of his career.
ThisI just hope we don't lose RVP, he's an absolute superstar at the peak of his career.
know what tho......if you put your hand on your heart, could you blame him ?
I doubt he's as gullible as the rest of us, and if he has even a modicom of ambition !!!!!!
And he's not the only one....song ?
My nerves are shreaded if i'm honest, and whilst i want the best for our club, a shock to the system may be what the doctor ordered !!
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