The Official Celtic FC Thread

The Official Celtic FC Thread

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Driver101

14,376 posts

122 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
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technodup said:
nd?

If the Twittersphere reflected the country we'd have Owen Jones as PM. It's a lot easier to spout pish about 'da feds' or soldiers from the comfort of your PC.

Let's hope they're never in need of the police or army to help them. Because they'd be changing their tune pretty sharpish if they did. Two faced gobstes.

As a group they're easy to bash, just like politicians, bankers, footballers et al. But when the chips are down and their pals have bolted faceless forum wkers would be 999ing it like anyone else.
As I've said a lot, the Internet brings out idiots from everywhere. They keep saying loads of things they wouldn't dare say in real life.

This thread and the Rangers ones are perfect examples.


GloverMart

11,852 posts

216 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
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Not that I have to justify myself again but here we go.

To those who think I am biased (which has been inferred), I am not. I am an English guy with Scottish grandparents, a Scottish name and no interest in either Celtic or Rangers. If I was to support a Scots team, it would be Elgin although having gone to Gretna, Annan and Queen of the South ten days ago, I have a soft spot for those three. But not Celtic, or Rangers.

To those who have accused me of inconsistency, I don't think I have been. There have been posts deleted on the two threads from all sides... so for the hard of thought, that is Celtic fans on both threads and Rangers fans on both threads. I'd say both sides are pretty even although more of the banned members came from the blue side of town. That is for no other reason than they either made the worst abusive posts or the most frequent deleted posts on the Rangers thread. If the Celtic thread had contained the most bile and hatred, it would have been closed first. Get it? It wasn't because it was either blue or green, it was simply down to the constant refusal to play ball with the site rules that caused it to be closed.

Believe it or not, we don't really like closing threads here at PH. We do so after all avenues have been exhausted. So after banning some posters and warning others, the warnings weren't heeded and the thread was closed. I warned others on this thread that the same would happen here and another mouthful of abuse comes my way. At the moment, I'm only warning you it might close and I'm genuinely not siding with either blue or green here but these two threads have had more reports in the last few months than all the other threads put together. Proud of that?

Like I said, if you aren't happy with how the forums are moderated, you have three choices.

1. Accept it, post properly within the rules and enjoy your time on PH.
2. Use the report button (as one of you already has) and complain about my moderating
3. Don't post on here and just post on other forums.

I'd rather it was 1. to be honest. But the best advice I can give you is to read Driver101's posts as he hits the nail on the head. This tit-for-tat st has to stop... if you don't like the fact that the Rangers thread is closed, don't come on here specifically to cause trouble.

GG - saying I'm not the right sort of person to be moderating a football forum isn't going to make me ban you. Zetec was banned on Monday night but not by me, by another mod. That said, he was baiting to be banned anyway (and if I'd been quicker, I'd have banned him) and had several posts deleted before despite being warned. He's posted 46 times and had five warnings. That's quite a high %.

If Rangers fans are annoyed that the Celtic thread is open and their's isn't then maybe they should have thought about that before posting the crap from before. That does not give them carte blanche to come on to this thread and purposely try to disrupt how this one is going. That's not inconsistency, that's trying to keep the thread alive, no matter what colour it is.

technodup

7,585 posts

131 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
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Driver101 said:
Looking at your profile, you made a decent length post shortly after 11am.
You're quite the stalker... as I said I was in the waiting room for nearly 45 minutes this morning. Supposed to be working so was looking at the business forum not that's it's got anything to do with you.

If I was a bird I'd be crossing the street from you.

BrabusMog

20,195 posts

187 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
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GloverMart said:
Not that I have to justify myself again but here we go.

To those who think I am biased (which has been inferred), I am not. I am an English guy with Scottish grandparents, a Scottish name and no interest in either Celtic or Rangers. If I was to support a Scots team, it would be Elgin although having gone to Gretna, Annan and Queen of the South ten days ago, I have a soft spot for those three. But not Celtic, or Rangers.

To those who have accused me of inconsistency, I don't think I have been. There have been posts deleted on the two threads from all sides... so for the hard of thought, that is Celtic fans on both threads and Rangers fans on both threads. I'd say both sides are pretty even although more of the banned members came from the blue side of town. That is for no other reason than they either made the worst abusive posts or the most frequent deleted posts on the Rangers thread. If the Celtic thread had contained the most bile and hatred, it would have been closed first. Get it? It wasn't because it was either blue or green, it was simply down to the constant refusal to play ball with the site rules that caused it to be closed.

Believe it or not, we don't really like closing threads here at PH. We do so after all avenues have been exhausted. So after banning some posters and warning others, the warnings weren't heeded and the thread was closed. I warned others on this thread that the same would happen here and another mouthful of abuse comes my way. At the moment, I'm only warning you it might close and I'm genuinely not siding with either blue or green here but these two threads have had more reports in the last few months than all the other threads put together. Proud of that?

Like I said, if you aren't happy with how the forums are moderated, you have three choices.

1. Accept it, post properly within the rules and enjoy your time on PH.
2. Use the report button (as one of you already has) and complain about my moderating
3. Don't post on here and just post on other forums.

I'd rather it was 1. to be honest. But the best advice I can give you is to read Driver101's posts as he hits the nail on the head. This tit-for-tat st has to stop... if you don't like the fact that the Rangers thread is closed, don't come on here specifically to cause trouble.

GG - saying I'm not the right sort of person to be moderating a football forum isn't going to make me ban you. Zetec was banned on Monday night but not by me, by another mod. That said, he was baiting to be banned anyway (and if I'd been quicker, I'd have banned him) and had several posts deleted before despite being warned. He's posted 46 times and had five warnings. That's quite a high %.

If Rangers fans are annoyed that the Celtic thread is open and their's isn't then maybe they should have thought about that before posting the crap from before. That does not give them carte blanche to come on to this thread and purposely try to disrupt how this one is going. That's not inconsistency, that's trying to keep the thread alive, no matter what colour it is.
Mart, people haven't come onto this thread to disrupt it. People came on to express an opinion about Celtic fans' conduct. On the Celtic thread. Where is the problem with that? I say this as a West Ham fan, by the way.

GloverMart

11,852 posts

216 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
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BrabusMog said:
GloverMart said:
Not that I have to justify myself again but here we go.

To those who think I am biased (which has been inferred), I am not. I am an English guy with Scottish grandparents, a Scottish name and no interest in either Celtic or Rangers. If I was to support a Scots team, it would be Elgin although having gone to Gretna, Annan and Queen of the South ten days ago, I have a soft spot for those three. But not Celtic, or Rangers.

To those who have accused me of inconsistency, I don't think I have been. There have been posts deleted on the two threads from all sides... so for the hard of thought, that is Celtic fans on both threads and Rangers fans on both threads. I'd say both sides are pretty even although more of the banned members came from the blue side of town. That is for no other reason than they either made the worst abusive posts or the most frequent deleted posts on the Rangers thread. If the Celtic thread had contained the most bile and hatred, it would have been closed first. Get it? It wasn't because it was either blue or green, it was simply down to the constant refusal to play ball with the site rules that caused it to be closed.

Believe it or not, we don't really like closing threads here at PH. We do so after all avenues have been exhausted. So after banning some posters and warning others, the warnings weren't heeded and the thread was closed. I warned others on this thread that the same would happen here and another mouthful of abuse comes my way. At the moment, I'm only warning you it might close and I'm genuinely not siding with either blue or green here but these two threads have had more reports in the last few months than all the other threads put together. Proud of that?

Like I said, if you aren't happy with how the forums are moderated, you have three choices.

1. Accept it, post properly within the rules and enjoy your time on PH.
2. Use the report button (as one of you already has) and complain about my moderating
3. Don't post on here and just post on other forums.

I'd rather it was 1. to be honest. But the best advice I can give you is to read Driver101's posts as he hits the nail on the head. This tit-for-tat st has to stop... if you don't like the fact that the Rangers thread is closed, don't come on here specifically to cause trouble.

GG - saying I'm not the right sort of person to be moderating a football forum isn't going to make me ban you. Zetec was banned on Monday night but not by me, by another mod. That said, he was baiting to be banned anyway (and if I'd been quicker, I'd have banned him) and had several posts deleted before despite being warned. He's posted 46 times and had five warnings. That's quite a high %.

If Rangers fans are annoyed that the Celtic thread is open and their's isn't then maybe they should have thought about that before posting the crap from before. That does not give them carte blanche to come on to this thread and purposely try to disrupt how this one is going. That's not inconsistency, that's trying to keep the thread alive, no matter what colour it is.
Mart, people haven't come onto this thread to disrupt it. People came on to express an opinion about Celtic fans' conduct. On the Celtic thread. Where is the problem with that? I say this as a West Ham fan, by the way.
I get that, BM, and ordinarily, there wouldn't be a problem. You're a veteran of the football forums and know how it works.... posters from Spurs go onto Liverpool's, United's on to Chelsea etc etc and by and large, everyone gets on all right. (apart from the Liverpool posters on the Liverpool thread!!). But how do you honestly know that people's intentions on here are honest? Given that some of them are from their fiercest rivals who have just seen their thread closed down, you have to admit it smells a bit, surely?

BrabusMog

20,195 posts

187 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
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I'm not privy to deleted posts, so I can only go on what I see.

And the only reason I have kept arguing the point is that a poster has mentioned that people don't care about the silence nowadays, which is really offensive to me. And, I'm sure, is like waving a red rag at partisan Rangers fans. I'm surprised how civil it has remained, but I feel that is more a credit to the maturity of the posters that are trying to discuss such a prickly issue.

Edit to remove - not my place to suggest how it is moderated around here.

Edited by BrabusMog on Wednesday 11th November 21:54

technodup

7,585 posts

131 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
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GloverMart said:
But how do you honestly know that people's intentions on here are honest? Given that some of them are from their fiercest rivals who have just seen their thread closed down, you have to admit it smells a bit, surely?
Two months went by with barely a peep from Rangers fans.

It's not tit for tat as there is no tat, only tits. This is topical now, and particularly relevant to Celtic as the only team in the UK who habitually spoil silences.

And I've seen posts from West Ham, Inverness and others. It's not all Rangers fans, we just seem to get the blame. Which shouldn't really be expected if like Celtic fans claim, we are merely a three year old club with no history...

BigsimonY

616 posts

126 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
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The level of bias simply astounds me.

Driver101

14,376 posts

122 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
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BrabusMog said:
I'm not privy to deleted posts, so I can only go on what I see.

And the only reason I have kept arguing the point is that a poster has mentioned that people don't care about the silence nowadays, which is really offensive to me. And, I'm sure, is like waving a red rag at partisan Rangers fans. I'm surprised how civil it has remained, but I feel that is more a credit to the maturity of the posters that are trying to discuss such a prickly issue.

Edit to remove - not my place to suggest how it is moderated around here.

Edited by BrabusMog on Wednesday 11th November 21:54
Some of the deleted posts would get you arrested at a game of football. We've had another member repetitively repeat child abuse statements/accusations from 40 years ago. That's how far things go on these threads. It's proper barrel scraping stuff.

I seen the abuse Zetec aimed towards GloverMart on Monday night. It was the second ever post I've reported.

If you're a West Ham supporter, do you live in London? I'd imagine due to the scale of things and the ceremonies in London, it's a far more active place due to sheer numbers.

Why would saying most young people don't really do much for Remembrance or armistice day upset Rangers supporters? That's my opinion and that is what I see.

Just to point out, the armed services isn't connected to what football team you support or religion.

Look at the official ceremonies in Scotland today. Major cities had just a handful of people turn up.

I'm sure most hold a level of respect, but it most certainly isn't to the level our parents or the elder generation do.

All I've ever said is I don't like the way events are conducted at football grounds. I feel they are done and used for the wrong reasons. The silence is a side show to the main events. It's not just a Scottish thing, the same opinion has been expressed with English teams by many. It's not even traditional, it's a modern take.

Football should be left to get on with football. We have more than enough issues revolving around football without involving ourselves in other matters.

I'm 100% behind the proper events across all the towns and cities in the UK to show respect. Doing the right thing for the right reasons.

It's a day for mournful respect.

Edited by Driver101 on Wednesday 11th November 22:50

GloverMart

11,852 posts

216 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
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BigsimonY said:
The level of bias simply astounds me.
Maybe you should read my last post before accusing me of bias. I have no bias, I just want the forums to run smoothly.

Posts like yours hardly help matters.

BigsimonY

616 posts

126 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
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GloverMart said:
BigsimonY said:
The level of bias simply astounds me.
Maybe you should read my last post before accusing me of bias. I have no bias, I just want the forums to run smoothly.

Posts like yours hardly help matters.
I'm not going to drag you into an argument. My personal feeling is that you have shown a severe lack of inconsistency and and leniency towards Celtic posters. You say the Rangers thread was tit for tat. Why not ban the Celtic posters or threaten them with the same sanctions. The Rangers posters in the Rangers thread were not arguing among themselves were they, no it was with the Celtic fans who were quite clearly only posting to troll. Now that behavior was ignored and defended time and time again. So here we are now, on the Celtic thread where the same appears to now be happening. Now though the Rangers fans are the ones being warned not to tit for tat post or troll or a ban will come. I dont envy having to moderate rangers and Celtic fans, we are extremely argumentative. But to hope to keep any sort of peace you HAVE to be equal and fair. You cant let one away and chastise the other. I feel you created this problem yourself, if you were being bias or not only you will know. However you can tell the Rangers poster have feeling of unjust favoritism towards the Celtic fans. Perhaps the closure of both threads and the opening of 2 new threads complete with a list of no nonsense rules which are enforced with a iron glove. Make it clear that the behavior and trolling seen in previous threads will not accepted and bans will be handed out anyone posting in them. The rivalry Rangers and Celtic have is impossible duplicate anywhere else, that's why old firm matches are revered all over the world.

technodup

7,585 posts

131 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
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Driver101 said:
Just to point out, the armed services isn't connected to what football team you support or religion.
Not directly, but you know as well as anyone else there's a bit more to it in Glasgow.

And I can't think of a club other than the one this thread is dedicated to where large sections of their fans regularly sing songs glorifying a foreign country's 'army'.


Driver101

14,376 posts

122 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
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technodup said:
Driver101 said:
Just to point out, the armed services isn't connected to what football team you support or religion.
Not directly, but you know as well as anyone else there's a bit more to it in Glasgow.

And I can't think of a club other than the one this thread is dedicated to where large sections of their fans regularly sing songs glorifying a foreign country's 'army'.
I know there's a "bit more to it", that's exactly my point. It's not what it should be.

Remembrance day/armistice day is a day for all the country, not for what side of the fence you're on.

GG89

3,527 posts

187 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
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Glovermart on the celtic thread talking to a Rangers fan:


"Why should they have to defend them just to get you off their case? Why can't you just leave the thread and bother someone else? It's an internet forum, nothing more and nothing less. As I've said before, there are ample threads for both sides to inhabit without cluttering this one up with the childish bickering all the time. Driver has it right, it's tit for tat. "Oooh, Celtic did this.. let's go on their thread and wind them up."

You say that this thread has come alive because of one thing. That thing, and don't deny it, is because your thread is now closed because despite constant warnings, many fans wouldn't listen or believe me. So now they come over here and delibertaely disrupt the opposition thread in yet another tiresome tit-for-tat act.

Your posting is more likely to get you a ban than th thread closed so either stop posting like you are or move on elsewhere because the rate you're going, you might not have the choice soon."

Now this is his message to a Rangers fan complaining about Celtic fans "CLUTTERING UP" the rangers forum with their constant and obvious trolling:

"This is a Rangers thread which means people come on to talk about Rangers. That's basically the rule in a nutshell.... besides, it's good to get Celtic, Hibs, Hearts, Elgin fans on here as it generates discussion rather than a load of back-slapping and "Aren't we doing well?" comments.

That's how it works on the Man U, Spurs, Arsenal and all the other threads and it's how it will work on here too. If someone wants to compose a long post on Rangers/Celtic stuff, as long as it doesn't break forum rules then it should be fine.

To be honest, you're more in danger of being banned for being a giant whinge bucket. Just chill out, pal. You always seem at more strain than the waistline of Fat Boab's breeks."

If that's not bias I don't know what is and that's from 5 minutes digging on the closed Rangers thread. There's much much more on there.


Edited by GG89 on Wednesday 11th November 23:49

Driver101

14,376 posts

122 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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GG89 said:
Glovermart on the celtic thread talking to a Rangers fan:


"Why should they have to defend them just to get you off their case? Why can't you just leave the thread and bother someone else? It's an internet forum, nothing more and nothing less. As I've said before, there are ample threads for both sides to inhabit without cluttering this one up with the childish bickering all the time. Driver has it right, it's tit for tat. "Oooh, Celtic did this.. let's go on their thread and wind them up."

You say that this thread has come alive because of one thing. That thing, and don't deny it, is because your thread is now closed because despite constant warnings, many fans wouldn't listen or believe me. So now they come over here and delibertaely disrupt the opposition thread in yet another tiresome tit-for-tat act.

Your posting is more likely to get you a ban than th thread closed so either stop posting like you are or move on elsewhere because the rate you're going, you might not have the choice soon."

Now this is his message to a Rangers fan complaining about Celtic fans "CLUTTERING UP" the rangers forum with their constant and obvious trolling:

"This is a Rangers thread which means people come on to talk about Rangers. That's basically the rule in a nutshell.... besides, it's good to get Celtic, Hibs, Hearts, Elgin fans on here as it generates discussion rather than a load of back-slapping and "Aren't we doing well?" comments.

That's how it works on the Man U, Spurs, Arsenal and all the other threads and it's how it will work on here too. If someone wants to compose a long post on Rangers/Celtic stuff, as long as it doesn't break forum rules then it should be fine.

To be honest, you're more in danger of being banned for being a giant whinge bucket. Just chill out, pal. You always seem at more strain than the waistline of Fat Boab's breeks."

If that's not bias I don't know what is and that's from 5 minutes digging on the closed Rangers thread. There's much much more on there.


Edited by GG89 on Wednesday 11th November 23:49
Can you not see a difference between tit for tat st to wind people up and welcoming discussion from all supporters that isn't just back patting?

As the moderator says in the post you've quoted, he talks about breaking rules.

Here's the first two rules in the PH rules.

Do not post material that a reasonable person would find offensive, annoying or upsetting, including personal information (including facebook/twitter/linked-in etc) & amateur sleuthing, nor may you bypass the swear filter.

Do not be argumentative for the sake of it or be deliberately contrary.




technodup

7,585 posts

131 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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Driver101 said:
technodup said:
Driver101 said:
Just to point out, the armed services isn't connected to what football team you support or religion.
Not directly, but you know as well as anyone else there's a bit more to it in Glasgow.

And I can't think of a club other than the one this thread is dedicated to where large sections of their fans regularly sing songs glorifying a foreign country's 'army'.
I know there's a "bit more to it", that's exactly my point. It's not what it should be.

Remembrance day/armistice day is a day for all the country, not for what side of the fence you're on.
It is for all the country, and almost all the country observe it. There's no fence, just the country and then a handful who are confused as to which country they belong to.

You're also forgetting the money which is raised in cans because of the large numbers involved. Many clubs from Rangers to Chelsea have can collectors, many more auction shirts etc. Celtic have in the past donated directly, not sure if they have volunteers outside the ground...

The appeal would be hundreds of thousands of pounds worse off if not for football. I can't see how that could be a good thing just because a tiny minority disagree with the premise.

Driver101

14,376 posts

122 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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technodup said:
t is for all the country, and almost all the country observe it. There's no fence, just the country and then a handful who are confused as to which country they belong to.

You're also forgetting the money which is raised in cans because of the large numbers involved. Many clubs from Rangers to Chelsea have can collectors, many more auction shirts etc. Celtic have in the past donated directly, not sure if they have volunteers outside the ground...

The appeal would be hundreds of thousands of pounds worse off if not for football. I can't see how that could be a good thing just because a tiny minority disagree with the premise.
We're heading down this tit for tat st again. I'm not Irish and I'm not confused. I'm Scottish and I support a Scottish football team.



I don't imagine many impartial armed forces personnel turning up to Ibrox to celebrate anything. I'll not link them, but I'm sure people have seen the videos and heard the songs sung with/to the guests.

I'm not disputing money is raised. If fundraising is the key, save a fortune in all the costs that the taxpayer has to pay for this event and donate the money anyway.

I see there's uproar in the USA just now. Turns out the patriotic events that take place at football over there were paid for by the government. They don't have any religious elements though.

Terzo123

4,325 posts

209 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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GG89 said:
Glovermart on the celtic thread talking to a Rangers fan:


"Why should they have to defend them just to get you off their case? Why can't you just leave the thread and bother someone else? It's an internet forum, nothing more and nothing less. As I've said before, there are ample threads for both sides to inhabit without cluttering this one up with the childish bickering all the time. Driver has it right, it's tit for tat. "Oooh, Celtic did this.. let's go on their thread and wind them up."

You say that this thread has come alive because of one thing. That thing, and don't deny it, is because your thread is now closed because despite constant warnings, many fans wouldn't listen or believe me. So now they come over here and delibertaely disrupt the opposition thread in yet another tiresome tit-for-tat act.

Your posting is more likely to get you a ban than th thread closed so either stop posting like you are or move on elsewhere because the rate you're going, you might not have the choice soon."

Now this is his message to a Rangers fan complaining about Celtic fans "CLUTTERING UP" the rangers forum with their constant and obvious trolling:

"This is a Rangers thread which means people come on to talk about Rangers. That's basically the rule in a nutshell.... besides, it's good to get Celtic, Hibs, Hearts, Elgin fans on here as it generates discussion rather than a load of back-slapping and "Aren't we doing well?" comments.

That's how it works on the Man U, Spurs, Arsenal and all the other threads and it's how it will work on here too. If someone wants to compose a long post on Rangers/Celtic stuff, as long as it doesn't break forum rules then it should be fine.

To be honest, you're more in danger of being banned for being a giant whinge bucket. Just chill out, pal. You always seem at more strain than the waistline of Fat Boab's breeks."

If that's not bias I don't know what is and that's from 5 minutes digging on the closed Rangers thread. There's much much more on there.


Edited by GG89 on Wednesday 11th November 23:49
But what did each poster say to receive those messages?

I used to post on the Rangers thread as to be honest there was a lot to discuss, and I think there still is. You might call it being a troll, but I believe my points were valid and I was more than happy to justify them. I didn’t resorted to abuse.

In return it was Taig this, Bheast that, Peado this. Typical brain dead retorts when an argument had been lost.

I had no issues in reporting those comments to the Mods.

If folk got banned for it, then so be it.

technodup

7,585 posts

131 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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Driver101 said:
We're heading down this tit for tat st again. I'm not Irish and I'm not confused. I'm Scottish and I support a Scottish football team.
So? Are you disputing the idea that the 'protestors' (how ironic) align themselves with a foreign country over the UK?

bluenosewrx

391 posts

116 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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Your always going to get tit for tat, but some cant take it, i call you the unwashed, you call me newco, to me its banter, to others its a report.

where do you draw the line as you will always, always get it, Its Rangers v Celtic, its the way its always going to be.

i did think on the other Rangers thread that it was baised towards the Celtic point of view, but hey its a opinion, we all have them