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Granfondo said:
BigsimonY said:
They were loans between employer and employee.
Disguised remuneration is not a loan but it is tax evasion.They weren't loans and everyone knows that. Not a single penny has ever been paid back and not a single penny will.
It was contracted that the players got this money, not some pay day loans to players that had fallen on hard times.
There's so many opinionated people on the subject, but very few have the most simple grasp of what actually happened.
I'd settle for an asterix against the titles/cups personally
The fact the side letters where never declared when registering the players should have been enough to void every fixture contested over the period
How Sandy Bryson got away with the reasoning of see no evil, hear no evil is mind blowing
Good article from a Sheep fan on the matter
http://www.stand-free.com/articles/rangers-fraudul...
The fact the side letters where never declared when registering the players should have been enough to void every fixture contested over the period
How Sandy Bryson got away with the reasoning of see no evil, hear no evil is mind blowing
Good article from a Sheep fan on the matter
http://www.stand-free.com/articles/rangers-fraudul...
Edited by Strocky on Sunday 15th November 08:57
Granfondo said:
Anyone with half a braincell knew that they got a sporting advantage through cheating (EBT).
Whether they give the titles to the runners up or just void them will be up to the SFA or the court for arbitration in sport.
While they are at it they can decide on "schodringers cat" situation at rangers!
Some facts for you.Whether they give the titles to the runners up or just void them will be up to the SFA or the court for arbitration in sport.
While they are at it they can decide on "schodringers cat" situation at rangers!
During this 'EBT' period, Celtic won the league more times than Rangers. They could have also had two more of those titles if their OWN players didn't throw it away on the last day.
Did Rangers using EBT's somehow cause Scott MacDonald to score twice in the closing minutes at Fir Park? Nope.
Did Rangers using EBT's somehow cause Alan Thompson to miss a penalty at Rugby Park? Nope.
Explain from that, where this so-called 'advantage' for Rangers was?
"If you know your history" indeed....
WithMyApologies said:
Granfondo said:
Anyone with half a braincell knew that they got a sporting advantage through cheating (EBT).
Whether they give the titles to the runners up or just void them will be up to the SFA or the court for arbitration in sport.
While they are at it they can decide on "schodringers cat" situation at rangers!
Some facts for you.Whether they give the titles to the runners up or just void them will be up to the SFA or the court for arbitration in sport.
While they are at it they can decide on "schodringers cat" situation at rangers!
During this 'EBT' period, Celtic won the league more times than Rangers. They could have also had two more of those titles if their OWN players didn't throw it away on the last day.
Did Rangers using EBT's somehow cause Scott MacDonald to score twice in the closing minutes at Fir Park? Nope.
Did Rangers using EBT's somehow cause Alan Thompson to miss a penalty at Rugby Park? Nope.
Explain from that, where this so-called 'advantage' for Rangers was?
"If you know your history" indeed....
Every player that had a covering letter along with the EBT was ineligible.
Is that an advantage enough for you?
Shrodringers cat.
Edited by Granfondo on Monday 16th November 22:09
WithMyApologies said:
Some facts for you.
During this 'EBT' period, Celtic won the league more times than Rangers. They could have also had two more of those titles if their OWN players didn't throw it away on the last day.
Did Rangers using EBT's somehow cause Scott MacDonald to score twice in the closing minutes at Fir Park? Nope.
Did Rangers using EBT's somehow cause Alan Thompson to miss a penalty at Rugby Park? Nope.
Explain from that, where this so-called 'advantage' for Rangers was?
"If you know your history" indeed....
That conviently ignores the leagues & cups won by Rangers during the same period (in fact you refer to two leagues in your strawman argument)During this 'EBT' period, Celtic won the league more times than Rangers. They could have also had two more of those titles if their OWN players didn't throw it away on the last day.
Did Rangers using EBT's somehow cause Scott MacDonald to score twice in the closing minutes at Fir Park? Nope.
Did Rangers using EBT's somehow cause Alan Thompson to miss a penalty at Rugby Park? Nope.
Explain from that, where this so-called 'advantage' for Rangers was?
"If you know your history" indeed....
WithMyApologies said:
Some facts for you.
During this 'EBT' period, Celtic won the league more times than Rangers. They could have also had two more of those titles if their OWN players didn't throw it away on the last day.
Did Rangers using EBT's somehow cause Scott MacDonald to score twice in the closing minutes at Fir Park? Nope.
Did Rangers using EBT's somehow cause Alan Thompson to miss a penalty at Rugby Park? Nope.
Explain from that, where this so-called 'advantage' for Rangers was?
"If you know your history" indeed....
That's a strange way of looking at things. During this 'EBT' period, Celtic won the league more times than Rangers. They could have also had two more of those titles if their OWN players didn't throw it away on the last day.
Did Rangers using EBT's somehow cause Scott MacDonald to score twice in the closing minutes at Fir Park? Nope.
Did Rangers using EBT's somehow cause Alan Thompson to miss a penalty at Rugby Park? Nope.
Explain from that, where this so-called 'advantage' for Rangers was?
"If you know your history" indeed....
The league isn't won or lost in one match, there's a whole season of points to be accumulated.
The fact is Rangers attracted players due to the money they offered. Many top performing players were paid millions of pounds of wages through the EBTs. The players only signed for Rangers on the basis of the deal they were offered.
If they weren't offered the additional tax free money to boost the package, would they have signed? I don't think so. Money attracts better players.
So if Rangers didn't cheat by using illegal EBTs, that also broke footballing rules, they wouldn't have attracted the calibre of player they did sign. If they didn't have the standard of player they had, they wouldn't have been in touching distance of winning the league when Scott Mcdonald scored two late goals.
Teams have been kicked out competitions and awarded 3-0 against them failing to register a single player properly. On occasions the player has been an unused sub and hasn't played any part in the game. Rangers had half a team playing every week.
If the EBTs had come to light at the time, Rangers might have been punished according to the rules and they wouldn't have stayed in the premier league if every game was deemed 3-0. They wouldn't have been in a position to win anything if matters were dealt with at the time.
As for money not giving a sporting advantage, it's laughable.
How often this season has Derek McInnes stood in front of the cameras and said they can't compete with Celtic due to the differences in budget? How often have people said it's embarrassing that Aberdeen were leading Celtic in the league, for a while, for the same reason?
How is it all fans understand that logic, and when their team is playing badly the demands are to bring in better players for more money, or conclude a player isn't worth his value?
Everyone uses a direct link between money and quality.
Except for this near £50m of EBTs. Apparently this made no difference whatsoever. It was just free money that was given away for absolutely no reason.
It's very basic common sense. Lord Nimmo had bizarre findings ruling the use of EBTs against footballing rules and fined Rangers, but said no sporting advantage. If it made no odds, there wouldn't be rules to prevent these things.
As the appeal judges said, common sense.
It's so clear cut it's untrue.
Edited by Driver101 on Tuesday 17th November 06:58
I'm sitting on the fence with this living wage argument. It isn't good that Celtic are so harshly picked on for not doing it, especially in a time where money is tightening and cloth cutting is taking place elsewhere.
A lot of fans are calling for more and more to be spent, but they aren't putting anything in. Half the guys that are vocal about it on the forums are the ones that never go near a game. Every time there's a game on they are requesting an illegal stream to watch.
I always thought it was a bit cheeky that Hearts shout about doing it. It was only a couple of years ago they were in administration and didn't cover their debts to pay other companies wages.
I've not got the facts, but I think Celtic pay most people the equivalent of the working wage, but just won't sign up to the agreement?
A lot of fans are calling for more and more to be spent, but they aren't putting anything in. Half the guys that are vocal about it on the forums are the ones that never go near a game. Every time there's a game on they are requesting an illegal stream to watch.
I always thought it was a bit cheeky that Hearts shout about doing it. It was only a couple of years ago they were in administration and didn't cover their debts to pay other companies wages.
I've not got the facts, but I think Celtic pay most people the equivalent of the working wage, but just won't sign up to the agreement?
Edited by Driver101 on Friday 20th November 19:03
Edited by Driver101 on Friday 20th November 19:13
Bad form not to be seen doing the right thing. The board say it's a political point but it's not, it's a matter of social conscience, which is why the club was founded.
The board have had an Iraq Warmonger and now a Tory Peer that votes against what most right thinking people believe is necessary. Celtic as a club have lost a lot of sheen and don't seem too bothered with losing touch with the fans.
I've never quite got the unswerving loyalty of football fans. Personally I think if you are disaffected just boycott all aspects until things are the way you want them.
The board have had an Iraq Warmonger and now a Tory Peer that votes against what most right thinking people believe is necessary. Celtic as a club have lost a lot of sheen and don't seem too bothered with losing touch with the fans.
I've never quite got the unswerving loyalty of football fans. Personally I think if you are disaffected just boycott all aspects until things are the way you want them.
GG89 said:
Fernando Ricksen going to the game tonight as Celtics guest, fair play to them just hope a sect of the fans don't act like 
s and boo him.
It's not like the opposite hasn't happened recently, is it? s and boo him.Ricksen was hated as a player, but I'm sure nearly everyone has sympathy for him now. I wouldn't wish that on anybody.
Just don't get too upset with the minority and don't pretend it doesn't happen elsewhere.
Why do people always have to pretend be whiter than white?
Edited by Driver101 on Thursday 26th November 20:04
Driver101 said:
GG89 said:
Fernando Ricksen going to the game tonight as Celtics guest, fair play to them just hope a sect of the fans don't act like s and boo him.
It's not like the opposite hasn't happened recently, is it? s and boo him.Ricksen was hated as a player, but I'm sure nearly everyone has sympathy for him now. I wouldn't wish that on anybody.
Just don't get too upset with the minority and don't pretend it doesn't happen elsewhere.
Why do people always have to pretend be whiter than white?
Edited by Driver101 on Thursday 26th November 20:04
k off you, is there literally nothing you wouldn't defend at that club of yours?GG89 said:
Driver101 said:
GG89 said:
Fernando Ricksen going to the game tonight as Celtics guest, fair play to them just hope a sect of the fans don't act like s and boo him.
It's not like the opposite hasn't happened recently, is it? s and boo him.Ricksen was hated as a player, but I'm sure nearly everyone has sympathy for him now. I wouldn't wish that on anybody.
Just don't get too upset with the minority and don't pretend it doesn't happen elsewhere.
Why do people always have to pretend be whiter than white?
Edited by Driver101 on Thursday 26th November 20:04
k off you, is there literally nothing you wouldn't defend at that club of yours?
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