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Ferg
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126 months
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LHRFlightman said: ...he appears to be supplying a running commentary on the negotiations with FSG, and that he has no right to do. Why not? Have FSG asked him not to? I haven't been keeping up with the news today.
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10 Pence Short
27,633 posts
86 months
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Uhura fighter said: 10 Pence Short said: Interesting you should say that. I said the same a few pages back in relation to what might influence managers' decisions over the Liverpool job, but the opinion from one Liverpool fan was that this train of thought was 'codswallop'.  It is codswallop. There is no integrity in that statement unless it's supported by coherent reasoning. In other words, 'codswallop' + codswallop = codswallop. Some fans (as opposed to the supposed fans) on here have the good grace to put down a considered point of view.
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LHRFlightman
356 posts
39 months
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Keyser Soze said: Again why not? Because he is not a party to the conversations. He has given permission for FSG to talk to his manager, that's where his involvement ends until/if he gets offered the job.
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Ferg
Original Poster
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126 months
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Maybe Martinez is keeping him up to speed. If he's not party to any conversations what has he got to say? I'm confused.
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Keyser Soze
10,944 posts
60 months
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LHRFlightman said: Keyser Soze said: Again why not? Because he is not a party to the conversations. He has given permission for FSG to talk to his manager, that's where his involvement ends until/if he gets offered the job. Bzzzz wrong answer He doesn't want to lose his manager, he also doesn't want to stand in his way so has given permission, he is on record as not wanting him to go So he is in a situation he doesn't want to be in and has reporters contacting him all the time for quotes, news anything they can Why shouldn't he say something, if it pisses FSG off so what... This is all FSG's fault, if Kenny was going they should have sorted a replacement, if they wanted it done quickly and quietly they should have gone for an available candidate They did neither, its their issue no one else's
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Ferg
Original Poster
15,242 posts
126 months
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A little tidy up. Try to keep these threads out of the gutter.
Thanks.
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Raja
3,441 posts
104 months
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DW can say what he wants. Not sure why the super sensitive folk are getting upset over a Wigan owner making comments on what may and may not be happening to their manager.
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Thom987
3,185 posts
35 months
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/25/lui...Luis Suárez has reopened the controversy surrounding his race row with Patrice Evra by revealing his conscience is "completely calm" over events at Anfield on 15 October last year and accusing the Football Association of wanting "to get rid of a Liverpool player". The Uruguay forward served an eight-match suspension this year after being found guilty of racially abusing the Manchester United defender by an independent panel appointed by the FA. Suárez and Liverpool did not appeal against the decision, despite protestations from the club over the process that led to him being charged. Suárez caused further problems for Liverpool and the then manager Kenny Dalglish when he refused to shake Evra's hand in the return league fixture at Old Trafford in February. That prompted a series of apologies from Liverpool, Suárez and Dalglish, but the striker has never apologised to Evra personally for what occurred at Anfield in October and, in an interview with Russia Today, claims he has no cause to. "The suspension, I suppose, you could call strange and unbelievable," said Suárez. "Without a single shred of proof, they suspended me. I accepted it without saying anything obviously because they could have made [the suspension] longer and it would have just made the whole thing continue, but my conscience is completely calm, and so is that of the club and my family. "There was not a single convincing proof that I had done any of the things they accused me of doing. I am very calm about all of it. I have played all my childhood and everyone knows that in Uruguay there is a huge black population. I had team-mates and friends of both colours all the time in the national team, in Liverpool, in Holland, where the majority [of players] are from Surinam, and I never had any problem with them. "Holland is one of the countries in the world where there is the highest number of black players and at no point was there an issue. Well, these are the things about football. It seems to me that they had to get rid of a Liverpool player and, well, they definitely were gratified by all of this." Liverpool's owner, Fenway Sports Group, sacked the long-serving head of communications Ian Cotton this month after a season that attracted fierce criticism of the club's handling of the Suárez affair. The striker, however, claims his wife bore the brunt of the fallout. "She has suffered more than anyone during this," he said, and is unconcerned about the damage to his reputation or the reaction of opposition crowds. He added: "What the English press has said about me does not interest me. What interests me is what they say about me in Uruguay and in Liverpool, and they have always been very supportive. "After the suspension was confirmed, I was told that the fans would taunt me, they would whistle me, insult me and shout at me, but to be honest it is not something I was worried about or paid attention to. Everyone whistled me in all of the stadiums I played in all the time anyway, even before the allegation of racism. It was just the same. I tried to pay it as little attention as possible to focus on what I like to do, which is to play."
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10 Pence Short
27,633 posts
86 months
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I would have thought Dave Whelan is keen to be seen as having tried to keep hold of his manager, in the eyes of Wigan fans. He'll also be wary of misinformation or information being released that contradicts what he wants to release to the public.
The best way to control a situation like this is to get in first and create the narrative, rather than responding to it. It can be a breath of fresh air, listening to someone like Whelan shoot from the hip, in an age when Chinese whispers propagated by agents fill the back pages.
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Smart Mart
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84 months
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Thom987 said: I had team-mates and friends of both colours all the time in the national team... Love the way that every single person ever charged with a racism-linked offence always comes up with this BS....  Like that is worthy of any defence at all...
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Blib
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66 months
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Ferg said: A little tidy up. Try to keep these threads out of the gutter.
Thanks. Shirley, as arduous as cleaning out the Augean stables in a day?
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hornetrider
40,814 posts
74 months
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10 Pence Short said: I would have thought Dave Whelan is keen to be seen as having tried to keep hold of his manager, in the eyes of Wigan fans.
Blah blah etc You are mistaken. Whelan said: When they phoned me I was actually with Roberto having a meeting on what we are doing next season.
I did promise Roberto and I have always said when a big club comes he would have permission to talk to them and they don't come any bigger than Liverpool.
I gave him permission and he will be talking to them soon - I don't know when, but quite soon. When Liverpool sacked Kenny I have to say I thought Liverpool would be knocking on the door and sure enough they are.
I would love to keep him but I have told Roberto he has my permission to speak with Liverpool. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9273340/Liverpool-given-permission-to-speak-to-Wigan-manager-Roberto-Martinez.html
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10 Pence Short
27,633 posts
86 months
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Erm, which bit of "I would love to keep him" is ambiguous for you HR?
Whelan will want to ensure the fans know he wanted to keep Martinez and for the Martinex camp to be unable to blame Whelan if the Liverpool deal does not come to fruition.
Whelan has built some impressive businesses and is no mug when it comes to PR.
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TheHeretic
68,270 posts
124 months
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So it looks like Ranieri is in talks with West Nrom. Whilst I think Martinez would do a job for you, would you prefer Claudio?i
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hornetrider
40,814 posts
74 months
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Which bit of 'Roberto has my permission to speak to Liverpool' is ambiguous to you? Permission has been given. So Whelan needs to stfu and let the process take place. No other chairman provides a running commentary in this situation. Ah'm oot. 
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cotney
521 posts
40 months
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RWD cossie wil said: I cannot believe that FSG binned KK without having a world class replacement lined up. Attracting world class managers to a team that has finished 8th in it's league is quite difficult.
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Keyser Soze
10,944 posts
60 months
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All the Martinez talk may be hypothetical anyway, am hearing he doesn't want to work under a DoF and FSG want one
Am hearing talk that if they can't work it out FSG will approach Mick McCarthy
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10 Pence Short
27,633 posts
86 months
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hornetrider said: Which bit of 'Roberto has my permission to speak to Liverpool' is ambiguous to you? Permission has been given. So Whelan needs to stfu and let the process take place. No other chairman provides a running commentary in this situation. Ah'm oot. Giving someone permission and not wanting someone to leave are not exclusive positions. In the event Martinez signs for Liverpool, they or Martinez will still be liable to buy out the contract he has with Wigan.
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hornetrider
40,814 posts
74 months
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Keyser Soze said: Am hearing talk that if they can't work it out FSG will approach Mick McCarthy We have different sources, I hear JWH has been seen talking to Steve Bruce in Starbucks Miami Beach. 
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CIE560
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62 months
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hornetrider said: Keyser Soze said: Am hearing talk that if they can't work it out FSG will approach Mick McCarthy We have different sources, I hear JWH has been seen talking to Steve Bruce in Starbucks Miami Beach. I was there and it was Eric Cantona not Steve Bruce.
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