FA Buggering up junior football

FA Buggering up junior football

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sjc

13,878 posts

269 months

Monday 14th September 2015
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Jackosmate, reading your posts on this thread, there seems to be constant reference to the goalkeeper and his lack of ability., and certainly a disproportionate amount of blame laid at his door. Doesn't come across as particularly fair, when it appears there's so many problems and lack of protection in front of him. A keeper in a losing or struggling side is an easy target for teammates and parents alike.

mph1977

12,467 posts

167 months

Monday 14th September 2015
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sjc said:
Jackosmate, reading your posts on this thread, there seems to be constant reference to the goalkeeper and his lack of ability., and certainly a disproportionate amount of blame laid at his door. Doesn't come across as particularly fair, when it appears there's so many problems and lack of protection in front of him. A keeper in a losing or struggling side is an easy target for teammates and parents alike.
i think it;s more a criticism of the goalie's dad / Manager and how the way he runs the team means that there are obvious performance issues.

j4ckos mate

3,009 posts

169 months

Monday 14th September 2015
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Hi
We are bottom in the league and the 4th of 4th leagues

No, keeper does get a lot of blame, and it's not all his fault, apologies if it's come across that way

Prob half is goals he lets in are really soft ones. When his dad was a keeper and he's played for,ten years. No excuses

Fault is prob 40% his 30% rest of team
The rest is fitness and attitude


Will see how we go,
Unless we improve over the winter I can't see many sticking around for the next season

It's a shame if you could see their facilities, they are excellent

southendpier

5,254 posts

228 months

Thursday 17th September 2015
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Have you tried formation changes? What are you currently playing? If you're losing 13-0 then all are to "blame". But remember none of the kids will want to lose a match when they start out.

If you are getting smashed like that then it is unlikely this will be resolved in a couple of months.

I did a session last night a few new 13yrs old came along to train with my 10-11 yrs because their session had been cancelled by their coach. Technically they were terrible. But in terms of attitude, commitment; turning up in the rain to listen to me and play football couldn't fault them. Would I expect them to win a game? Probably not, so you would need to have a different view of small personal wins for them to steadily improve rather than just quitting.

A friend of mine (level 2 coach) took over a failing u14 side a part of pushing for his Level 3. He went back to the very start. VERY basic skills, passing movement, cover, awareness, thought. He also insisted no one had set positions and all players would play in all positions, meaning that if he asked the "established" centre forward to play left back he would play left back to learn the game.

Took him a few months but they started to finally win and win good. The important thing was he changed the mind set of the players and parents so that they felt they were achieving something as a team even though initially they were loosing matches.

j4ckos mate

3,009 posts

169 months

Friday 18th September 2015
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I think we should be known as ADHD rovers!

we spent ages last night, telling them about positioning play it through, not leather it 40 yards
they have the concentration of a guinea pig.

we ended up playing a ten minute game at the end,
but so that we are not leathering it 40 yards, we told them head height only,
look for the easy pass and get into space and make the other team do the leg work.

its a five a side pitch and the nets are six foot high.
i can just walk under them, but one kid spent five minutes arguing what the point was and why he cant shoot if its got to be under six foot.
hes a small kid himself, so i don't know what he was on about.

we listen to them and get to them to explain where their thinking is at, and find some common ground to work into a drill with them, but honestly as soon as your back is turned, they mess around.

we are going to knuckle down on attitude and commitment. we must have 20 turning up to training, which is excellent, but the core team has to shape up or ship out now.

its apparent though that we need to work on just hanging onto it, slowing it down and dictating the pace, and of course getting into space.

i must admit that despite the immaturity of most of them,
i do enjoy it though.




aberdeeneuan

1,339 posts

177 months

Friday 18th September 2015
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You'll probably know who they are, but when I was helping with the u7s you could spot the kids who led the mucking about and attitude and who followed them. Once you have that sorted it really helped the sessions work better.

Sounds like it's coming though. Trouble with it will be that if they are used to it being run a certain way and you only get an hour training a week it's not a lot of time to turn the attitudes around.

j4ckos mate

3,009 posts

169 months

Monday 21st September 2015
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Training was good yesterday,

we didn't have a game so we took the opportunity to do a bit more with them in terms of training,
a couple of good drills and a fair bit of running incorporated within them and
also alot of sprints as well

the game at the end got a bit heated between a few of them,
but i put that down to the coach and the helpers, we lit a fire under them the last few sessions, so i suppose its only fair at that age they will begin to show agression.
a few continue to mess around, cant stand still and wait with a ball for the drill have to kick and boot it about



tough one next week though,
not looking forward to that one i don't mind telling you!

we


London424

12,826 posts

174 months

Monday 21st September 2015
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j4ckos mate said:
a few continue to mess around, cant stand still and wait with a ball for the drill have to kick and boot it about
You will never get rid of this. I played at a decent level, in all different age groups, and you still see/hear about it in professional football so expecting kids to do it you're on a hiding to nothing.

I'd focus on everything else.

note: or just send them on a lap of the pitch every time they do it like one of my former coaches.

southendpier

5,254 posts

228 months

Monday 21st September 2015
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London424 said:
j4ckos mate said:
a few continue to mess around, cant stand still and wait with a ball for the drill have to kick and boot it about
You will never get rid of this. I played at a decent level, in all different age groups, and you still see/hear about it in professional football so expecting kids to do it you're on a hiding to nothing.

I'd focus on everything else.

note: or just send them on a lap of the pitch every time they do it like one of my former coaches.
Or don't do drills where they are lining up to take a turn at something. Very old fashioned way of training groups of kids. They will naturally get bored...as would you!

CO2000

3,177 posts

208 months

Tuesday 22nd September 2015
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Pick the team on performance on training, they will soon get the message and/or send them to the side for 5 mins in training if mucking about.

j4ckos mate

3,009 posts

169 months

Monday 28th September 2015
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10-1,

Odd one, we conceded 3 goals early on,
it went flat then for about ten minutes, then we picked it up and we were right int he thick of it, well into the second half,


then it fell away towards the end and they got a few more
we scored though and my lad made the break from midfield, i think if we were playing a lesser team and went at it hell for leather from the word go we might have been in front in the first half
and who knows where that would take us.
this weekend is similar team to us, but we are without our two keepers so it should be fun.


j4ckos mate

3,009 posts

169 months

Sunday 4th October 2015
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We played a team like us today

0-3 at half time. Ended 0-12.
We could have won it if we'd have put a shift in.
Too many cant be arsed, lots of petulance and walking
V disappointing

DeltonaS

3,707 posts

137 months

Sunday 4th October 2015
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j4ckos mate said:
We played a team like us today

Ended 0-12.
We could have won it if
Messi was available.....

rofl



Gargamel

14,957 posts

260 months

Sunday 4th October 2015
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Yep I kind of agree, 12-0 is not that even a contest.

Jacko it feels like there is something basic missing in the set up here. Is it lack of fitness ? Do you need to drop a division or find another league to play in ?

From a coaching point of view, do your players lose focus when they concede a lot of goals ?

Perhaps try setting them a challenge

Score a goal from open play.

Concede less than five goals

See if you can build some confidence or sense of achievement in them


j4ckos mate

3,009 posts

169 months

Sunday 4th October 2015
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Keeper did ok last couple of weeks
And as I have said before I had them all in over August so fitness is better

Today was a lot of hands covering face, ducking out of headers, slowing up when about to tackle and bad positioning
Bit of petulance against the manager as well and thst included my lad

It was 3-0 at half time.! All Offside as we'll but obviously the refs are kids so we keep our mouth shut


I don't want to throw the towel in with them and go somewhere else my aim is for the penny to drop but they'll be playing that walking football off the telly before the penny drops!

At a loss to be honest


CO2000

3,177 posts

208 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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j4ckos mate said:
Keeper did ok last couple of weeks
And as I have said before I had them all in over August so fitness is better

Today was a lot of hands covering face, ducking out of headers, slowing up when about to tackle and bad positioning
Bit of petulance against the manager as well and thst included my lad

It was 3-0 at half time.! All Offside as we'll but obviously the refs are kids so we keep our mouth shut


I don't want to throw the towel in with them and go somewhere else my aim is for the penny to drop but they'll be playing that walking football off the telly before the penny drops!

At a loss to be honest
If they are already at the bottom of the lowest leauge then sounds like if they won't put in the effort the team should fold & the few that want to play, REALLY want to play go elsewhere before they end up the same. Or the better players jump ship before hand.

j4ckos mate

3,009 posts

169 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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I fear it will come to its natural end, which would be a shame

our club has a 3g lit pitch, to excellent adult pitches, bar function room, etc

Ive added up, 25 games without a win.

writing was on the wall last year really, but a trip to France postponed the inevitable i suppose.

he wants to play because his school mates are there, and he enjoys it.
but the effort and results are horrific




CO2000

3,177 posts

208 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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j4ckos mate said:
I fear it will come to its natural end, which would be a shame

our club has a 3g lit pitch, to excellent adult pitches, bar function room, etc

Ive added up, 25 games without a win.

writing was on the wall last year really, but a trip to France postponed the inevitable i suppose.

he wants to play because his school mates are there, and he enjoys it.
but the effort and results are horrific
I feel your pain but he will enjoy it far better with a decent team esp in the long run, facilities aren't everything!

j4ckos mate

3,009 posts

169 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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Bit of an update.

We got beat, 13-2 in a cup game against a nice team with pleasant parents and the ref was great.

In spite of the result though, we battled harder and longer than we've ever done before,
the first 20 mins were flat as they usually are but after that, we were competitive all the way to the end both of their managers said so independently of each other which was quite pleasing to hear, usually they come over look at their feet and apologetically thank us for the game.


Of course the score doesn't lie, but one or two lads that don't bother decided to put a shift in,they were so good we couldn't take them off.
We scored off the back of it, and heads were up all of a sudden, and the opponents had a fight on their hands.

were hopeful that theyll knuckle down now in training, because theyve all seen what they are capable of.

were going to look at fitness and defending, weve noticed we seem to do alot of panic clearances during games rather than pass it away






Gargamel

14,957 posts

260 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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j4ckos mate said:
were going to look at fitness and defending, we've noticed we seem to do a lot of panic clearances during games rather than pass it away
Nice to hear some positives. On the above though, think back. Do the coaches / parents shout "kick it" or "get it away" whenever you are in possession, but in the defensive third.

If they look nervous, it is because people have trained that into them. It is an easy habit to get into.