FA Buggering up junior football
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Im going to have to keep him at his crap one for a few weeks, just to make sure he gets in this one and plays for them regularly.
he will miss his old mates, but hes at school with them and xbox etc,
One thing that does surprise me is how different teams are run, his old one mithers for fundraiasing but subs are lower, his old one seems to train harder as well.
Yet the new ones the parents dont seem to bother helping out, but their standard is miles higher
end of the day his old manager has had two season two turn it around,
its run as a club for his boozy missus mates kids i think.
which is unfair on the ones that will never be good players, but want to improve.
he will miss his old mates, but hes at school with them and xbox etc,
One thing that does surprise me is how different teams are run, his old one mithers for fundraiasing but subs are lower, his old one seems to train harder as well.
Yet the new ones the parents dont seem to bother helping out, but their standard is miles higher
end of the day his old manager has had two season two turn it around,
its run as a club for his boozy missus mates kids i think.
which is unfair on the ones that will never be good players, but want to improve.
Well we just want to make sure hes not going to get 5 minutes here and there,
I dont expect him to be a regular first 11 starter, but you know what its like there's always a fair bit of jiggling to do with teams inst there?
but once he gets a regular run out, he wants to cut the loosing one loose.
I dont expect him to be a regular first 11 starter, but you know what its like there's always a fair bit of jiggling to do with teams inst there?
but once he gets a regular run out, he wants to cut the loosing one loose.
An update on our situation...my son has just left his old team and move across to some rivals. He's 15 now and totally his descision but after full support from me. We had been at his old club for 7 years he was the Captain and a valued member of the team....and I really liked the club and was upset that we leftf the reason for leaving was this.......his old club and a policy of developing the players regardless of if the team wins. So basically the main aim is to improve the seeker players as opposed to winning games. Which meant in games we were comfortably winning we would have three changes and weaker players would come and the game was lost. Now I get this at u7 to u13..but at u15s surely they are old enough and mature enough to be playing to win. They are young men not kids anymore.
Anyway the new club plays the game as adults would, to win and he's enjoying his football again......i guess I just wondered what people's thoughts are..at what age should the game be about the win?
Anyway the new club plays the game as adults would, to win and he's enjoying his football again......i guess I just wondered what people's thoughts are..at what age should the game be about the win?
Phil
I think provided the philosophy of the club is well know and communicated, then it isn't a decision that is based on age.
About the win to what end?
If you are fourth division of a large youth league, you might conclude that involving all your players and focussing on participation and enjoyment of sport and the social side of the club is more important than a killer competitive attitude.
However if you are a club that targets being in the highest league and wanting to compete, well that is a different set up
I always say to the parents out the club I help organise, this may not suit everyone, but these are our principles. Then players and parents can make their own choices - just as you have done.
(funnily enough we get quite a few who try somewhere else and then come back to us.... grass isn't always greener)
BTW - we just cancelled 14 games for tomorrow due to waterlogging.....
I think provided the philosophy of the club is well know and communicated, then it isn't a decision that is based on age.
About the win to what end?
If you are fourth division of a large youth league, you might conclude that involving all your players and focussing on participation and enjoyment of sport and the social side of the club is more important than a killer competitive attitude.
However if you are a club that targets being in the highest league and wanting to compete, well that is a different set up
I always say to the parents out the club I help organise, this may not suit everyone, but these are our principles. Then players and parents can make their own choices - just as you have done.
(funnily enough we get quite a few who try somewhere else and then come back to us.... grass isn't always greener)
BTW - we just cancelled 14 games for tomorrow due to waterlogging.....
Hi Chris,
To be fair to his old club they were upfront about their policy and have even stated they are happy to be relegated as long as they are improving the players...the relegation is looking very likely. We play in the Huddersfield Junior League in the premier league so a very good standard. My lad wants to win games and was quite upset about leaving but felt he had no option. His old club's policy wasn't working for him as he felt the development is going to the weaker team members. Was a hard decision for us both but one we feel happy about now.
To be fair to his old club they were upfront about their policy and have even stated they are happy to be relegated as long as they are improving the players...the relegation is looking very likely. We play in the Huddersfield Junior League in the premier league so a very good standard. My lad wants to win games and was quite upset about leaving but felt he had no option. His old club's policy wasn't working for him as he felt the development is going to the weaker team members. Was a hard decision for us both but one we feel happy about now.
The longer I am in coaching and Juniors football the more I realise you can never get it right for everyone ....
Sounds like the right decision for you. I have to say I am not aware of many clubs that will be "ok with losing" since this is exactly what happens, your best players leave.
Its a difficult balance,
play to win, best 11, get promoted keep going same again, then your best three get snapped up by a lower league academy, then you slip down again and repeat.
his decision to leave was the fact that they've had 35 games and shifted 380 goals since their last win.
All the leaders have long deserted,
And i will go to my grave wondering what a team gets out of beating us 17-0.
is just a race for goal difference at the top of the league.
New team is mid table with enough games i hand to go top.
Theres clearly a balance to be had, and its when your hammering a team step off the gas a little, and play the less ability ones play.
play to win, best 11, get promoted keep going same again, then your best three get snapped up by a lower league academy, then you slip down again and repeat.
his decision to leave was the fact that they've had 35 games and shifted 380 goals since their last win.
All the leaders have long deserted,
And i will go to my grave wondering what a team gets out of beating us 17-0.
is just a race for goal difference at the top of the league.
New team is mid table with enough games i hand to go top.
Theres clearly a balance to be had, and its when your hammering a team step off the gas a little, and play the less ability ones play.
Gargamel said:
Phil
I think provided the philosophy of the club is well know and communicated, then it isn't a decision that is based on age.
About the win to what end?
If you are fourth division of a large youth league, you might conclude that involving all your players and focussing on participation and enjoyment of sport and the social side of the club is more important than a killer competitive attitude.
However if you are a club that targets being in the highest league and wanting to compete, well that is a different set up
I always say to the parents out the club I help organise, this may not suit everyone, but these are our principles. Then players and parents can make their own choices - just as you have done.
(funnily enough we get quite a few who try somewhere else and then come back to us.... grass isn't always greener)
BTW - we just cancelled 14 games for tomorrow due to waterlogging.....
I agree with all of this and Gargamel's later post saying it's about clear communication. We're a club who are happy to sacrifice results for development and I firmly believe that we should be developing kids to be competitive at U16+, anything is classed as a development age for me. U16+ and we go for the jugular.I think provided the philosophy of the club is well know and communicated, then it isn't a decision that is based on age.
About the win to what end?
If you are fourth division of a large youth league, you might conclude that involving all your players and focussing on participation and enjoyment of sport and the social side of the club is more important than a killer competitive attitude.
However if you are a club that targets being in the highest league and wanting to compete, well that is a different set up
I always say to the parents out the club I help organise, this may not suit everyone, but these are our principles. Then players and parents can make their own choices - just as you have done.
(funnily enough we get quite a few who try somewhere else and then come back to us.... grass isn't always greener)
BTW - we just cancelled 14 games for tomorrow due to waterlogging.....
WildCards said:
Gargamel said:
Phil
I think provided the philosophy of the club is well know and communicated, then it isn't a decision that is based on age.
About the win to what end?
If you are fourth division of a large youth league, you might conclude that involving all your players and focussing on participation and enjoyment of sport and the social side of the club is more important than a killer competitive attitude.
However if you are a club that targets being in the highest league and wanting to compete, well that is a different set up
I always say to the parents out the club I help organise, this may not suit everyone, but these are our principles. Then players and parents can make their own choices - just as you have done.
(funnily enough we get quite a few who try somewhere else and then come back to us.... grass isn't always greener)
BTW - we just cancelled 14 games for tomorrow due to waterlogging.....
I agree with all of this and Gargamel's later post saying it's about clear communication. We're a club who are happy to sacrifice results for development and I firmly believe that we should be developing kids to be competitive at U16+, anything is classed as a development age for me. U16+ and we go for the jugular.I think provided the philosophy of the club is well know and communicated, then it isn't a decision that is based on age.
About the win to what end?
If you are fourth division of a large youth league, you might conclude that involving all your players and focussing on participation and enjoyment of sport and the social side of the club is more important than a killer competitive attitude.
However if you are a club that targets being in the highest league and wanting to compete, well that is a different set up
I always say to the parents out the club I help organise, this may not suit everyone, but these are our principles. Then players and parents can make their own choices - just as you have done.
(funnily enough we get quite a few who try somewhere else and then come back to us.... grass isn't always greener)
BTW - we just cancelled 14 games for tomorrow due to waterlogging.....
He did, as a league winner as well.
Which was quite moving to put it mildly
To give you an idea. For his new team to let in the same amount as his crap one did last season
(229) it would take his good team 7 seasons !
And as it happened the bloke presenting his trophy to him. Was the treasurer at the other (crap team)
So it was quite fitting really
And I and he is greatful for the last three seasons and his trip to France etc
But it was time to wrap it up there, maybe he can sign on for the adult teams when he's older
( they are excellent at open age, even playing national league teams for friendlies
But the u15s are a maelstrom
he signed on today for the good team again.
The new kit is stunning, he got his raincoat today and will get top socks and shorts next month
He knows next season is a huge step up so he's starting jogging round the block a month before training starts again
I'm trying to angle it so he plays for his good one, trains Tuesday with them and if he can still train Thursday with his mates
At his old one so it keeps him fit.
Assuming all his school work is done and bedroom tidied!
Which was quite moving to put it mildly
To give you an idea. For his new team to let in the same amount as his crap one did last season
(229) it would take his good team 7 seasons !
And as it happened the bloke presenting his trophy to him. Was the treasurer at the other (crap team)
So it was quite fitting really
And I and he is greatful for the last three seasons and his trip to France etc
But it was time to wrap it up there, maybe he can sign on for the adult teams when he's older
( they are excellent at open age, even playing national league teams for friendlies
But the u15s are a maelstrom
he signed on today for the good team again.
The new kit is stunning, he got his raincoat today and will get top socks and shorts next month
He knows next season is a huge step up so he's starting jogging round the block a month before training starts again
I'm trying to angle it so he plays for his good one, trains Tuesday with them and if he can still train Thursday with his mates
At his old one so it keeps him fit.
Assuming all his school work is done and bedroom tidied!
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