FA Buggering up junior football

FA Buggering up junior football

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XM5ER

5,087 posts

247 months

Thursday 17th December 2015
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Good news. Good luck to him.

CO2000

3,177 posts

208 months

Thursday 17th December 2015
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XM5ER said:
Good news. Good luck to him.
Yeah & you'll/he'll wish it happened sooner!

j4ckos mate

3,009 posts

169 months

Thursday 17th December 2015
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Im going to have to keep him at his crap one for a few weeks, just to make sure he gets in this one and plays for them regularly.

he will miss his old mates, but hes at school with them and xbox etc,

One thing that does surprise me is how different teams are run, his old one mithers for fundraiasing but subs are lower, his old one seems to train harder as well.
Yet the new ones the parents dont seem to bother helping out, but their standard is miles higher

end of the day his old manager has had two season two turn it around,
its run as a club for his boozy missus mates kids i think.
which is unfair on the ones that will never be good players, but want to improve.




j4ckos mate

3,009 posts

169 months

Sunday 3rd January 2016
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Back to training Tuesday and Thursday

Anyone managed a game over Xmas? Pitches have been far too soaked road here

southendpier

5,254 posts

228 months

Sunday 3rd January 2016
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Why would the new club sign him up halfway through a season if they were not going to play him?

j4ckos mate

3,009 posts

169 months

Monday 4th January 2016
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Well we just want to make sure hes not going to get 5 minutes here and there,

I dont expect him to be a regular first 11 starter, but you know what its like there's always a fair bit of jiggling to do with teams inst there?
but once he gets a regular run out, he wants to cut the loosing one loose.







j4ckos mate

3,009 posts

169 months

Friday 8th January 2016
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Signed on, kits here, doesn't clash with his old teams game , down to play, all systems go.

CALLED OFF

You have to laugh dont you, the good old British weather

Kinky

39,368 posts

268 months

Friday 8th January 2016
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Our whole league down here (Berkshire) is totally wiped out this weekend frown

Which is a bit of a bugger for Kinky Junior as he was reffing a big game, and was really looking forward to it. hey ho.

Phil Dicky

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7,162 posts

262 months

Friday 8th January 2016
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An update on our situation...my son has just left his old team and move across to some rivals. He's 15 now and totally his descision but after full support from me. We had been at his old club for 7 years he was the Captain and a valued member of the team....and I really liked the club and was upset that we leftf the reason for leaving was this.......his old club and a policy of developing the players regardless of if the team wins. So basically the main aim is to improve the seeker players as opposed to winning games. Which meant in games we were comfortably winning we would have three changes and weaker players would come and the game was lost. Now I get this at u7 to u13..but at u15s surely they are old enough and mature enough to be playing to win. They are young men not kids anymore.

Anyway the new club plays the game as adults would, to win and he's enjoying his football again......i guess I just wondered what people's thoughts are..at what age should the game be about the win?

Gargamel

14,957 posts

260 months

Friday 8th January 2016
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Phil

I think provided the philosophy of the club is well know and communicated, then it isn't a decision that is based on age.

About the win to what end?

If you are fourth division of a large youth league, you might conclude that involving all your players and focussing on participation and enjoyment of sport and the social side of the club is more important than a killer competitive attitude.

However if you are a club that targets being in the highest league and wanting to compete, well that is a different set up

I always say to the parents out the club I help organise, this may not suit everyone, but these are our principles. Then players and parents can make their own choices - just as you have done.

(funnily enough we get quite a few who try somewhere else and then come back to us.... grass isn't always greener)



BTW - we just cancelled 14 games for tomorrow due to waterlogging.....

Phil Dicky

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7,162 posts

262 months

Friday 8th January 2016
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Hi Chris,

To be fair to his old club they were upfront about their policy and have even stated they are happy to be relegated as long as they are improving the players...the relegation is looking very likely. We play in the Huddersfield Junior League in the premier league so a very good standard. My lad wants to win games and was quite upset about leaving but felt he had no option. His old club's policy wasn't working for him as he felt the development is going to the weaker team members. Was a hard decision for us both but one we feel happy about now.

Gargamel

14,957 posts

260 months

Friday 8th January 2016
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The longer I am in coaching and Juniors football the more I realise you can never get it right for everyone ....

Sounds like the right decision for you. I have to say I am not aware of many clubs that will be "ok with losing" since this is exactly what happens, your best players leave.


j4ckos mate

3,009 posts

169 months

Friday 8th January 2016
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Its a difficult balance,

play to win, best 11, get promoted keep going same again, then your best three get snapped up by a lower league academy, then you slip down again and repeat.
his decision to leave was the fact that they've had 35 games and shifted 380 goals since their last win.
All the leaders have long deserted,
And i will go to my grave wondering what a team gets out of beating us 17-0.
is just a race for goal difference at the top of the league.

New team is mid table with enough games i hand to go top.

Theres clearly a balance to be had, and its when your hammering a team step off the gas a little, and play the less ability ones play.



j4ckos mate

3,009 posts

169 months

Friday 8th January 2016
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Both games off now 😁

QuartzDad

2,230 posts

121 months

Friday 8th January 2016
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j4ckos mate said:
Anyone managed a game over Xmas? Pitches have been far too soaked road here
Last played on Dec 6th. This Sunday's has been called off as well. Still got 13 league games to play.

WildCards

4,061 posts

216 months

Saturday 9th January 2016
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Gargamel said:
Phil

I think provided the philosophy of the club is well know and communicated, then it isn't a decision that is based on age.

About the win to what end?

If you are fourth division of a large youth league, you might conclude that involving all your players and focussing on participation and enjoyment of sport and the social side of the club is more important than a killer competitive attitude.

However if you are a club that targets being in the highest league and wanting to compete, well that is a different set up

I always say to the parents out the club I help organise, this may not suit everyone, but these are our principles. Then players and parents can make their own choices - just as you have done.

(funnily enough we get quite a few who try somewhere else and then come back to us.... grass isn't always greener)



BTW - we just cancelled 14 games for tomorrow due to waterlogging.....
I agree with all of this and Gargamel's later post saying it's about clear communication. We're a club who are happy to sacrifice results for development and I firmly believe that we should be developing kids to be competitive at U16+, anything is classed as a development age for me. U16+ and we go for the jugular.

CO2000

3,177 posts

208 months

Sunday 10th January 2016
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WildCards said:
Gargamel said:
Phil

I think provided the philosophy of the club is well know and communicated, then it isn't a decision that is based on age.

About the win to what end?

If you are fourth division of a large youth league, you might conclude that involving all your players and focussing on participation and enjoyment of sport and the social side of the club is more important than a killer competitive attitude.

However if you are a club that targets being in the highest league and wanting to compete, well that is a different set up

I always say to the parents out the club I help organise, this may not suit everyone, but these are our principles. Then players and parents can make their own choices - just as you have done.

(funnily enough we get quite a few who try somewhere else and then come back to us.... grass isn't always greener)



BTW - we just cancelled 14 games for tomorrow due to waterlogging.....
I agree with all of this and Gargamel's later post saying it's about clear communication. We're a club who are happy to sacrifice results for development and I firmly believe that we should be developing kids to be competitive at U16+, anything is classed as a development age for me. U16+ and we go for the jugular.
In Scotland it's U13 when it (officially.....) gets competitive but I have seen some go to 7 a side a year early when they should be playing 4v4's just to get an edge (& also have no local players playing for them!)

j4ckos mate

3,009 posts

169 months

Sunday 31st January 2016
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Well
First game for good team.

We have a happy household , 4-2 win.
He played for 20 mins set one offf on a run that scored
Didn't make any mistakes
Enjoyed it. Roll on next week

CO2000

3,177 posts

208 months

Saturday 18th June 2016
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Did he finish the season well with the new team? Hopefully so smile

j4ckos mate

3,009 posts

169 months

Saturday 18th June 2016
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He did, as a league winner as well.
Which was quite moving to put it mildly

To give you an idea. For his new team to let in the same amount as his crap one did last season
(229) it would take his good team 7 seasons !


And as it happened the bloke presenting his trophy to him. Was the treasurer at the other (crap team)
So it was quite fitting really
And I and he is greatful for the last three seasons and his trip to France etc
But it was time to wrap it up there, maybe he can sign on for the adult teams when he's older
( they are excellent at open age, even playing national league teams for friendlies
But the u15s are a maelstrom

he signed on today for the good team again.
The new kit is stunning, he got his raincoat today and will get top socks and shorts next month

He knows next season is a huge step up so he's starting jogging round the block a month before training starts again

I'm trying to angle it so he plays for his good one, trains Tuesday with them and if he can still train Thursday with his mates
At his old one so it keeps him fit.
Assuming all his school work is done and bedroom tidied!