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GestapoWatch
944 posts
59 months
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One or two of our 'former promising footballers' looked a little lost didn't they  Can't imagine half of them were able to comprehend what they were being shown TBH.
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tonker
43,749 posts
117 months
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That's probably a good thing. It meant a realisation and awareness of what was around them (even though they couldn't get their head around it) - something most of them lack to a greater or lesser extent. Don't forget the state of a comprehensive education in this country means they are not taught about 20 century European history in many cases, it's usually about gay rights, female emancipation or something else that is 'safe' and PC. They genuinely might not have had a clue.
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mantis84
1,163 posts
32 months
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F1GTRUeno said: I do wonder if the Germans will go? Sort of - they sent a few players along, but not the whole team.
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Podie
38,370 posts
144 months
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Auschwitz / Birkenau is a strange place. I went about 15 years ago with my father. It was February and freezing cold and that just made it seem more stark and scary. The lack of wildlife was also a little alarming.
The old man broke down in tears, as a photo he saw reminded him of my sister. He's from the "blokes don't cry" mould, and iit was the first time I'd seen him cry.
It was another 24 hours before it hit me.
Whilst not exactly a tourist thing to do, it is worth visiting IMO.
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Pothole
18,008 posts
151 months
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F1GTRUeno said: I do wonder if the Germans will go? why?
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F1GTRUeno
1,940 posts
87 months
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Pothole said: why? Well it would be odd if all the rest of them went and Germany didn't (though the question was answered above about whether they did or not). Have no idea how Germans are received at Auschwitz, or even if any go.
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Lost soul
5,246 posts
51 months
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F1GTRUeno said: Have no idea how Germans are received at Auschwitz, or even if any go. Its an open place with no recriminations , unless you are a Nazi i guess
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Puggit
29,475 posts
117 months
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GestapoWatch said: One or two of our 'former promising footballers' looked a little lost didn't they Can't imagine half of them were able to comprehend what they were being shown TBH. This - sadly. As has also been previously state, if you are in Krakow you just have to visit. One day I will take my kids to Krakow and show them Auschwitz - I think it's that important.
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Podie
38,370 posts
144 months
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F1GTRUeno said: Have no idea how Germans are received at Auschwitz, or even if any go. Based on experience, they are received as any other guest any many do go. However, they seem very quiet in comparison with the groups of Jewish people who seem to walk around carrying flags.
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tonker
43,749 posts
117 months
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F1GTRUeno said: Pothole said: why? Well it would be odd if all the rest of them went and Germany didn't (though the question was answered above about whether they did or not). Have no idea how Germans are received at Auschwitz, or even if any go. Both Klose and Podolski were born in Poland, for a start.
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Lost soul
5,246 posts
51 months
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Puggit said: I think it's that important. It is that important , walking down the railway track under the arch between the towers was the weirdest thing i have ever felt
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tonker
43,749 posts
117 months
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Lost soul said: It is that important , walking down the railway track under the arch between the towers was the weirdest thing i have ever felt For me it was the photos (mugshot style) of the victims on the wall. Some of those people had clearly 'given up' - others just had total defiance in their eyes - they would never 'surrender'. And being shown the walls and rooms where people were tortured and exterminated and they still feel cold, dark places even with thousands trooping through them.....
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Lost soul
5,246 posts
51 months
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tonker said: Lost soul said: It is that important , walking down the railway track under the arch between the towers was the weirdest thing i have ever felt For me it was the photos (mugshot style) of the victims on the wall. Some of those people had clearly 'given up' - others just had total defiance in their eyes - they would never 'surrender'. And being shown the walls and rooms where people were tortured and exterminated and they still feel cold, dark places even with thousands trooping through them..... Yes , the corridor lined with pictures was very unsettling , both places are just haunted and always will be But i did like the place where they brought back the ex commendant to be hung in sight of his old luxury villa 
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Lost soul
5,246 posts
51 months
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tonker said: Lost soul said: It is that important , walking down the railway track under the arch between the towers was the weirdest thing i have ever felt For me it was the photos (mugshot style) of the victims on the wall. Some of those people had clearly 'given up' - others just had total defiance in their eyes - they would never 'surrender'. And being shown the walls and rooms where people were tortured and exterminated and they still feel cold, dark places even with thousands trooping through them..... Thinking about it , all through my life i have seen on TV and film the towers and railway arch maybe that was why it had such a strange effect , like walking on to a film set but knowing it was much more than that
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Pothole
18,008 posts
151 months
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F1GTRUeno said: Pothole said: why? Well it would be odd if all the rest of them went and Germany didn't (though the question was answered above about whether they did or not). Have no idea how Germans are received at Auschwitz, or even if any go. Just basic trolling then? Congrats, you got me.
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spurs coupe
99 posts
43 months
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If the England team visiting Auschwitz makes even one young person look into the history of the place and the events that made it a world renowned monument against racism, then it has been a worthwhile side effect of some good PR for the team.
I'm much happier, so far, with the behaviour and attitude of the squad, I just hope they don't disgrace themselves again. Why England sides, football, rugby or cricket insist on doing stupid things when on 'international duty' I've no idea.
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marcosgt
6,180 posts
45 months
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F1GTRUeno said: Pothole said: why? Well it would be odd if all the rest of them went and Germany didn't (though the question was answered above about whether they did or not). Have no idea how Germans are received at Auschwitz, or even if any go. Germany's very conscious of the Nazi era - I've never seen a breakdown of figures for visitors to Auschwitz, but I'd be surprised if German school trips weren't a significant proportion, since the wall came down. There are, of course, concentration camps in Germany and they are regularly visited by Germans. M.
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Dunclane
993 posts
38 months
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tonker said: I went to Auschwitz. On my own stag do. You have to go if you are there. If they hadn't gone, imagine the press about disrespectful players. It's a time to think and for them to consider solidarity, the refusal of people to buckle as well as an example of man's inhumanity. I went on my stag do too! Everyone thought we were mad for going but we were all glad we went. Really sobering and thought provoking.
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z4chris99
5,707 posts
48 months
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Glad they went, end of the day it's only football, who cares if they win or lose
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TwigtheWonderkid
6,018 posts
19 months
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Dunclane said: tonker said: I went to Auschwitz. On my own stag do. You have to go if you are there. If they hadn't gone, imagine the press about disrespectful players. It's a time to think and for them to consider solidarity, the refusal of people to buckle as well as an example of man's inhumanity. I went on my stag do too! Everyone thought we were mad for going but we were all glad we went. Really sobering and thought provoking. Cricky...where was the hen night ...Hiroshima?? I've been to Auschwitz, and glad I went. But hardly stag do material.
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