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goldblum
6,981 posts
37 months
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To 'see red' is an idiom that describes a person becoming very angry,losing their temper.Everyone knows this.
It is not a phrase used to describe the showing of a red card to a player for some kind of infringement of the rules during a game by some smug and thick as pig*hit pundit/journo who thinks he has a wonderful command of the English language and can twist it and bend it to his will.
It's a football saying I really don't like.
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gjf764
238 posts
45 months
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'Get a result' annoys me for some reason
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Justin Cyder
6,537 posts
19 months
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In the channel. I've looked at pitches all over & I'm yet to see any channels dug into one.
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kuzushi
226 posts
12 months
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People who criticise Americans for calling it soccer are tiresome, apparently not knowing that the word soccer is an English invention (short for "association football"), and a very succinct way of specifying exactly which of the many varieties of football you are referring to.
Also, people who mock Americans for calling American football football. If you know the history of the game then you'll know that it is football, just a different version of football, just as rugby is actually a version of football.
Soccer is to football as poodle is to dog, or mondeo is to car. Telling Americans "Don't call it soccer, it's football" is like telling someone "Don't call it a mondeo, it's a car you dumbo", or "Don't call it a poodle, it's not a poodle it's a dog". It's actually kind of ignorant.
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rohrl
3,924 posts
15 months
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kuzushi said: People who criticise Americans for calling it soccer are tiresome, apparently not knowing that the word soccer is an English invention (short for "association football"), and a very succinct way of specifying exactly which of the many varieties of football you are referring to.
Also, people who mock Americans for calling American football football. If you know the history of the game then you'll know that it is football, just a different version of football, just as rugby is actually a version of football.
Soccer is to football as poodle is to dog, or mondeo is to car. Telling Americans "Don't call it soccer, it's football" is like telling someone "Don't call it a mondeo, it's a car you dumbo", or "Don't call it a poodle, it's not a poodle it's a dog". It's actually kind of ignorant. If you go into a Welsh rugby club you'd be quite likely to hear someone talking about "the football" and meaning rugby football. Probably an old guy called Emyr or Huw who has his own tankard behind the bar.
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silverfoxcc
1,240 posts
15 months
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Trigthewonderkid
John Terry is NOT a good footballer, HE just thinks he is. He is a clogger,and cynical fouler. What really makes me puke is the thought that of 250 million sperm, he was the fastest.
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HeatonNorris
1,649 posts
18 months
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rohrl said: If you go into a Welsh rugby club you'd be quite likely to hear someone talking about "the football" and meaning rugby football. Probably an old guy called Emyr or Huw who has his own tankard behind the bar. No, absolutely not. Ever. At all.
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TwigtheWonderkid
6,298 posts
20 months
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silverfoxcc said: Trigthewonderkid
John Terry is NOT a good footballer, HE just thinks he is. He is a clogger,and cynical fouler. What really makes me puke is the thought that of 250 million sperm, he was the fastest. Well some of the worlds best forward players consistantly say he's a top defender. I heard Franz Beckenbaur say he's a fabulous defender. I think it's sad that your hatred is so intense that you've become deluded as to his abilities. Very immature attitude. You can hate someone and still appreciate their talents. Hitler was a very good orator, Saddam Hussain faced him execution with bravery etc etc. Maybe he wasn't the quickest sperm, but had a sly tug of the tails of those in front, and was absolutely determined not to be beaten. Quite a good mentality for a defender.
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kuzushi
226 posts
12 months
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HeatonNorris said: rohrl said: If you go into a Welsh rugby club you'd be quite likely to hear someone talking about "the football" and meaning rugby football. Probably an old guy called Emyr or Huw who has his own tankard behind the bar. No, absolutely not. Ever. At all. Originally rugby and soccer evolved from the same game, and in those days everyone would have called it football. Only recently has the IRB changed its name from the IRFB (International Rugby FOOTBALL Board). So closely tied is the history of rugby and soccer that in the nineteenth century, before the split, rugby teams used to play soccer teams. Of course, they were called not rugby or soccer teams but just football teams at that stage. Because there were no set rules at that time they used to agree on the rules (how many players to have, whether to allow the use of hands etc.) just before each match. Anyway, rugby is a form of football.
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HeatonNorris
1,649 posts
18 months
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Yes, we know all that.
But I've never met any rugby fan who'll refer to it as 'football', at least not without it being in the context of a very obviously rugby related conversation.
It certainly wouldn't be used in an ambiguous way.
eg. 'Are you going to the football on Saturday?' as opposed to 'are you going to the rugby on Saturday?'
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kuzushi
226 posts
12 months
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HeatonNorris said: Yes, we know all that. Well, you did say "No, absolutely not. Ever. At all." which kind of implied that perhaps you might not know that. Just because YOU have never met a rugby fan who'll refer to it as football doesn't mean no one ever would, or that rohrl hasn't met people who do. You're not claiming to know every rugby fan in the world, are you? He did say "if you go into a Welsh rugby club", which is likely to make it in the context of a very obviously rugby related conversation. And he did say it's likely to be an old guy.
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rohrl
3,924 posts
15 months
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HeatonNorris said: rohrl said: If you go into a Welsh rugby club you'd be quite likely to hear someone talking about "the football" and meaning rugby football. Probably an old guy called Emyr or Huw who has his own tankard behind the bar. No, absolutely not. Ever. At all. Come for a night out in Llanelli. Association football is widely referred to as Wendyball.
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HeatonNorris
1,649 posts
18 months
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rohrl said: HeatonNorris said: rohrl said: If you go into a Welsh rugby club you'd be quite likely to hear someone talking about "the football" and meaning rugby football. Probably an old guy called Emyr or Huw who has his own tankard behind the bar. No, absolutely not. Ever. At all. Come for a night out in Llanelli. Association football is widely referred to as Wendyball. I've worked there. And nobody referred to 'watching the football at Stradey Park'
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rohrl
3,924 posts
15 months
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HeatonNorris said: rohrl said: HeatonNorris said: rohrl said: If you go into a Welsh rugby club you'd be quite likely to hear someone talking about "the football" and meaning rugby football. Probably an old guy called Emyr or Huw who has his own tankard behind the bar. No, absolutely not. Ever. At all. Come for a night out in Llanelli. Association football is widely referred to as Wendyball. I've worked there. And nobody referred to 'watching the football at Stradey Park' I live in Swansea and have done for over thirty years and I have heard people refer to football and mean rugby so what are we to make of that? That it was all a huge scheme so one day I could make this up and post it on Pistonheads?
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kuzushi
226 posts
12 months
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rohrl said: HeatonNorris said: rohrl said: HeatonNorris said: rohrl said: If you go into a Welsh rugby club you'd be quite likely to hear someone talking about "the football" and meaning rugby football. Probably an old guy called Emyr or Huw who has his own tankard behind the bar. No, absolutely not. Ever. At all. Come for a night out in Llanelli. Association football is widely referred to as Wendyball. I've worked there. And nobody referred to 'watching the football at Stradey Park' I live in Swansea and have done for over thirty years and I have heard people refer to football and mean rugby so what are we to make of that? That it was all a huge scheme so one day I could make this up and post it on Pistonheads?  HeatonNorris's application of logic is interesting. He has never heard someone say something, so that means it has never been said by anyone. Rohrl isn't saying that people are always calling rugby football. He's just saying that he's heard it called that sometimes. Are you saying he's lying/hallucinating? You seem to agree that rugby is a form of football ("we know about all that"), so is it really so incredible that some people might occasionally call it football, seeing as that's what it is?
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HeatonNorris
1,649 posts
18 months
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The odd idiot may be heard using it - but it's not a commonly applied term, especially where it may lead to confusion. Given that some rugby playing toffs took over our ground and ruined my football club, I really do hate the types who go out of their way to make a point of referring to rugby as 'football'. Seems it's only ever used by f  kwits to cause offence.
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obob
3,021 posts
64 months
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Why is rugby or American football known as football when the majority of the game is spent handling the ball.
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silverfoxcc
1,240 posts
15 months
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Twig,
If top defending is kneeing another player and looking surprised when he is caught, then yes he is a top defender. Otherwise i stick by my own opinion, you have yours.
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TwigtheWonderkid
6,298 posts
20 months
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silverfoxcc said: Twig,
If top defending is kneeing another player and looking surprised when he is caught, then yes he is a top defender. Otherwise i stick by my own opinion, you have yours. Yes I'll stick to mine, shared with Jose Mourinho and Alex Ferguson (both of whom rate him highly) and every England manager since Ericsson who have picked him consistantly, and 95% of people on this football forum, who may not like him as a human being but aren't stupid enough to let that cloud their judgment of him as a footballer. In short, you're an idiot.
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RichB
24,378 posts
154 months
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Gentleman, aren't there enough football thread where you can argue and insult each other without souring this one. The title is 'football sayings you don't like' not players you don't like or why Americans call their game football, for heavens sake. 
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