Suarez Ban - A way round it ?

[Blackpuddin]

100% agree with all of Tonker's post above. Genuinely do not understand the apparent need to defend these people. Why do they deserve it?

[Einion Yrth]

TheHeretic said:

Einion Yrth said:

simoid said:

They're young men, and a few of them are rich beyond comprehension. Are they any worse, generally, than other young men?

I think not.

Not sure there's any room for rational, considered opinion devoid of media driven hypocritical bile on this thread mate.

And what happens when another young man bites someone at work?

Dunno, what happens when some poor individual gets head-butted by some mutant, at work?

[TheHeretic]

Einion Yrth said:

Dunno, what happens when some poor individual gets head-butted by some mutant, at work?

They get a 3 game ban, do not argue against the punishment, and come out immediately after the game and say they will accept whatever the FA decide. It was also not a repeat offence.

Spot the difference.

Edited by TheHeretic on Friday 26th April 10:53

[Blackpuddin]

Einion Yrth said:

TheHeretic said:

Einion Yrth said:

simoid said:

They're young men, and a few of them are rich beyond comprehension. Are they any worse, generally, than other young men?

I think not.

Not sure there's any room for rational, considered opinion devoid of media driven hypocritical bile on this thread mate.

And what happens when another young man bites someone at work?

Dunno, what happens when some poor individual gets head-butted by some mutant, at work?

Are you deliberately ignoring the mass media exposure of football, or doing it accidentally?

[Einion Yrth]

Blackpuddin said:

Are you deliberately ignoring the mass media exposure of football, or doing it accidentally?

I suppose you could say I'm deliberately ignoring it because it makes sod all difference to the fact that they're 'young, dumb and full of cum'.

[Blackpuddin]

Einion Yrth said:

Blackpuddin said:

Are you deliberately ignoring the mass media exposure of football, or doing it accidentally?

I suppose you could say I'm deliberately ignoring it because it makes sod all difference to the fact that they're 'young, dumb and full of cum'.

With power comes responsibility. If they can't exercise it independently then they need to be policed so that they do. Suarez is clearly a complicated individual but some sort of boundaries need to be set. People like Rio Ferdinand and others of his ilk (Joey Barton springs to mind) who use thoughtless 'off the hip' social media utterings to mock or accuse authority figures are no better IMO.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Blib said:

So, if Liverpool FC disband during the close season, Suarez will never play football again.

If both of those came to pass, it would be a dream come true!

[Einion Yrth]

Blackpuddin said:

Einion Yrth said:

Blackpuddin said:

Are you deliberately ignoring the mass media exposure of football, or doing it accidentally?

I suppose you could say I'm deliberately ignoring it because it makes sod all difference to the fact that they're 'young, dumb and full of cum'.

With power comes responsibility. If they can't exercise it independently then they need to be policed so that they do. Suarez is clearly a complicated individual but some sort of boundaries need to be set. People like Rio Ferdinand and others of his ilk (Joey Barton springs to mind) who use thoughtless 'off the hip' social media utterings to mock or accuse authority figures are no better IMO.

I don't think anyone is really arguing against that. All anyone is arguing for is consistency and somewhat less of the media fueled spittle fest we've watched over the last few days.

[TheHeretic]

You realise that if the club had just accepted the punishment, the whole things would be almost forgotten? It is the remarks made by the players, the manager, etc, that keep it going, and that is what is being commented on.

[simoid]

Blackpuddin said:

100% agree with all of Tonker's post above. Genuinely do not understand the apparent need to defend these people. Why do they deserve it?

If by "these people" you mean the vast majority of professional footballers who work hard, on insecure short term contracts, don't get in trouble, and are being tarred with the same brush as Suarez, then I think they do deserve it.

[Pothole]

TheHeretic said:

You realise that if the club had just accepted the punishment, the whole things would be almost forgotten? It is the remarks made by the players, the manager, etc, that keep it going, and that is what is being commented on.

What nonsense. Suarez will play the rest of his career under the microscope and when he retires and forever after the negative will be talked about much more than the positive.

[simoid]

Pothole said:

hat nonsense. Suarez will play the rest of his career under the microscope and when he retires and forever after the negative will be talked about much more than the positive.

Of course he could prove the doubters wrong and become the model pro that his club deserve, and be remembered as "Luis Suarez, the footballing genius who overcame his early problems" or something.

Is it beyond the realms of possibility that he gets fed up of lengthy bans, and decided to stop biting and abusing people?

I hope not.

[Blackpuddin]

simoid said:

Blackpuddin said:

100% agree with all of Tonker's post above. Genuinely do not understand the apparent need to defend these people. Why do they deserve it?

If by "these people" you mean the vast majority of professional footballers who work hard, on insecure short term contracts, don't get in trouble, and are being tarred with the same brush as Suarez, then I think they do deserve it.

Of course I don't mean the vast majority when I refer to 'these people'. The vast majority aren't getting into serious trouble. It's leaping to the defence of the ones who are being assholes and who are setting shocking examples that I don't understand. In this category I count thoughtless, egomaniacal Twitter users, biters and cheats.

[Pothole]

simoid said:

Pothole said:

hat nonsense. Suarez will play the rest of his career under the microscope and when he retires and forever after the negative will be talked about much more than the positive.

Of course he could prove the doubters wrong and become the model pro that his club deserve, and be remembered as "Luis Suarez, the footballing genius who overcame his early problems" or something.

Is it beyond the realms of possibility that he gets fed up of lengthy bans, and decided to stop biting and abusing people?

I hope not.

I'm not sure anyone but the most naive would believe that there is anything he can do to prevent the list of transgressions being trotted out every time he's in the news. If the unthinkable happened and Liverpool won the Premiership next season with LS being top scorer the media would still be saying it was despite his earlier problems, not applauding his efforts to get over them in any way, I reckon. They love a whipping boy and he's gifted them a perfect example, sadly.

[Bluebarge]

anonymous said:

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They are in the real world. It's just a world you can't access because you don't have the skills and are therefore a little envious of. It's easy to point the finger at jobs which are well-remunerated but we can't do and say "that's ridiculous" but the fact is that these young men earn huge sums of money because they can generate even bigger sums in prize money, sponsorship and gate receipts. It's a market, and the market pays what it thinks they are worth.

As to the "role models" point, it's up to the parents to set the kids straight on that one by pointing out when a particular player is being a tt, whether that be McManaman, Suarez, Huth, Zamora, Barton or whoever. But young men occasionally do stupid things, whether they be footballers or trainee solicitors, and they usually get away with it if they don't have a tv camera pointed at them. Those in the spotlight don't behave any worse than those out of it, they just get caught more often.

And Cameron's "concerned father" act is pure hokum - he wasn't watching that game, he's supposed to be a Villa fan. It would be nice if our PM didn't (a) tell lies and (b) climb on every bandwagon going. Not exactly a role model himself.

[Pothole]

Blackpuddin said:

simoid said:

Blackpuddin said:

100% agree with all of Tonker's post above. Genuinely do not understand the apparent need to defend these people. Why do they deserve it?

If by "these people" you mean the vast majority of professional footballers who work hard, on insecure short term contracts, don't get in trouble, and are being tarred with the same brush as Suarez, then I think they do deserve it.

Of course I don't mean the vast majority when I refer to 'these people'. The vast majority aren't getting into serious trouble. It's leaping to the defence of the ones who are being assholes and who are setting shocking examples that I don't understand. In this category I count thoughtless, egomaniacal Twitter users, biters and cheats.

Eh? The vast majority, nay all of them, are cheats.

[Blackpuddin]

Bluebarge said:

Those in the spotlight don't behave any worse than those out of it, they just get caught more often.

Which surely means, given the fact that they are role models whether they like it or not - that side of it is part of the package, along with the money and the power to influence others – they should live their lives accordingly. And if they can't, they must accept the penalties. They can't have it all ways.

[simoid]

Pothole said:

'm not sure anyone but the most naive would believe that there is anything he can do to prevent the list of transgressions being trotted out every time he's in the news. If the unthinkable happened and Liverpool won the Premiership next season with LS being top scorer the media would still be saying it was despite his earlier problems, not applauding his efforts to get over them in any way, I reckon. They love a whipping boy and he's gifted them a perfect example, sadly.

Of course nobody is going to forget his bites and bans in one year, so if LS leads LFC to glory next season, his misdemenours will still be relevant to discussion.

However, if a few seasons pass without incident (like the vast majority of other footballers) then he is far more likely to be remembered as a rough diamond who was refined into one of the best footballers of his generation.

The only naive thought there is that Suarez is likely to go more than a couple of years without biting someone

[Pothole]

simoid said:

Pothole said:

'm not sure anyone but the most naive would believe that there is anything he can do to prevent the list of transgressions being trotted out every time he's in the news. If the unthinkable happened and Liverpool won the Premiership next season with LS being top scorer the media would still be saying it was despite his earlier problems, not applauding his efforts to get over them in any way, I reckon. They love a whipping boy and he's gifted them a perfect example, sadly.

Of course nobody is going to forget his bites and bans in one year, so if LS leads LFC to glory next season, his misdemenours will still be relevant to discussion.

However, if a few seasons pass without incident (like the vast majority of other footballers) then he is far more likely to be remembered as a rough diamond who was refined into one of the best footballers of his generation.

The only naive thought there is that Suarez is likely to go more than a couple of years without biting someone

meh

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Bluebarge said:

They are in the real world. It's just a world you can't access because you don't have the skills and are therefore a little envious of. It's easy to point the finger at jobs which are well-remunerated but we can't do and say "that's ridiculous" but the fact is that these young men earn huge sums of money because they can generate even bigger sums in prize money, sponsorship and gate receipts. It's a market, and the market pays what it thinks they are worth.

As to the "role models" point, it's up to the parents to set the kids straight on that one by pointing out when a particular player is being a tt, whether that be McManaman, Suarez, Huth, Zamora, Barton or whoever. But young men occasionally do stupid things, whether they be footballers or trainee solicitors, and they usually get away with it if they don't have a tv camera pointed at them. Those in the spotlight don't behave any worse than those out of it, they just get caught more often.

And Cameron's "concerned father" act is pure hokum - he wasn't watching that game, he's supposed to be a Villa fan. It would be nice if our PM didn't (a) tell lies and (b) climb on every bandwagon going. Not exactly a role model himself.

You are broardly correct, although I'd be amazed if anyone working in a legal dept has ever been bitten by one of the trainee solicitors just because things weren't going their way. Rational decent human beings just don't behave that way, regardless of age, wealth or anything else.