The Official Arsenal - 12 x FA Cup Winners - Thread [Vol 3]
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MrMagoo said:
He's got to be better then Sonogo so it's a step in the right direction. All be it a very small one going by past performances. Feels strange hoping he does well when he leaves me screaming at the TV with his performances for England. Hopefully now he's surrounded by a bit of class he can show what he can do.
Hoping he makes me eat some humble pie.
I watch the England games with a couple of Gooner mates and they all berate Welbeck for his ability (lack of) & performances; it's become a long running joke. Now they are all telling me that he's a good signing and just need's Wenger to "shape" him Hoping he makes me eat some humble pie.
The fickle world of football
TEKNOPUG said:
I watch the England games with a couple of Gooner mates and they all berate Welbeck for his ability (lack of) & performances; it's become a long running joke. Now they are all telling me that he's a good signing and just need's Wenger to "shape" him
The fickle world of football
Is that the Welbeck with a 1 in 3 scoring record for England? The fickle world of football
I think Welbeck will be good for us, he has the pace we lack up front - and with the choice of no signings on the last day, or Welbeck, this is the best option.
Also, watching the BBC coverage last night they all thought this was a good move and rate Welbeck highly. He has not had a good run out yet, usually plays in a position he doesn't prefer, has started 53 games for Man U and has a scored 20 goals - not prolific, but the same ratio as Walcott (128 starts and 45 goals), and Giroud isn't much better with 60 starts and 28 goals.
Yes it highlights we need a prolific scorer, but there aren't that many around at the moment - and 6 to 20 million (depend on reports) for one seasons loan for a player is ludicrous.
Also, watching the BBC coverage last night they all thought this was a good move and rate Welbeck highly. He has not had a good run out yet, usually plays in a position he doesn't prefer, has started 53 games for Man U and has a scored 20 goals - not prolific, but the same ratio as Walcott (128 starts and 45 goals), and Giroud isn't much better with 60 starts and 28 goals.
Yes it highlights we need a prolific scorer, but there aren't that many around at the moment - and 6 to 20 million (depend on reports) for one seasons loan for a player is ludicrous.
Yep - as good as it would have been to see Falcao in an Arsenal shirt there was no way Wenger would have dropped that kind of money on a loan deal. It's absurd.
You never know - if Welbeck scores 15 goals this season (not entirely unreasonable) and Falcao buggers off to Madrid next season then this will look like a shrewd move. Hoping for the best, and good luck to the lad.
You never know - if Welbeck scores 15 goals this season (not entirely unreasonable) and Falcao buggers off to Madrid next season then this will look like a shrewd move. Hoping for the best, and good luck to the lad.
Alfahorn said:
Is that the Welbeck with a 1 in 3 scoring record for England?
3 goals in friendlies, 2 against San Marino at Wembley, 2 against Moldova at Wembley.If you watched him play, you notice how many chances he actually misses. Stats really don't mean much in a team game like football. You need to see someone play many times before forming an opinion - unless you are Graeme Souness
Still, I wish both you and Danny the best of luck for the coming season, no doubt he'll put a hatfull past us
The other benefit for an Arsenal fan is that RVP probably didn't imagine the summer turning out like this....I bet he thought LVG arriving would cement his place in the team. He was making noises about a contract extension earlier this summer....chances are that he'll be shown the exit next summer with one year left on his contract 
TEKNOPUG said:
Alfahorn said:
Is that the Welbeck with a 1 in 3 scoring record for England?
3 goals in friendlies, 2 against San Marino at Wembley, 2 against Moldova at Wembley.If you watched him play, you notice how many chances he actually misses. Stats really don't mean much in a team game like football. You need to see someone play many times before forming an opinion - unless you are Graeme Souness
Still, I wish both you and Danny the best of luck for the coming season, no doubt he'll put a hatfull past us
Who he scores against is to an extent irrelevant, he doesn't chose the opposition he's selected to play against. The fact remains he's got in to position to score goals. He is a talented player, he's got a lot to offer he needs to play in a team where he'll be given a good run and a chance to develop. He's not world class and may never be world class but I think he'll prove himself to be a very good and valuable (for this contribution) premier league player.
We'll see in time what he brings to Arsenal & England (if selected)
Cheib said:
The other benefit for an Arsenal fan is that RVP probably didn't imagine the summer turning out like this....I bet he thought LVG arriving would cement his place in the team. He was making noises about a contract extension earlier this summer....chances are that he'll be shown the exit next summer with one year left on his contract
Conversely, it may be the motivation RVP needs to raise his game.Just need pace and we've Always looked slow without Walcott. so hopefully Welbeck is another step in the right direction. Not sure his criticism has been entriely deserved. I think it was more the exasperation at the England Team. Because he wasnt terrible at Man U and given the time and correct positioning he has the ingredients to be good.
Rather have him than have a crooked Falcao on loan
Rather have him than have a crooked Falcao on loan
I give Wellbeck 4 games to proove hs worth.
He's a Man U cast off that wasnt good enough for them.
He struggels to maintain his England starting spot despite virtually no competition.
He doesnt deliver in the big games.
He has skill and flair, which he shows well against poor oposition. Against good opposition he seems to struggle to make an impact.
Alligning Arsenal with the current England squad seems to me to be a lack of ambition. Good for England maybe. But not good enough to win the Premiership. England are after all, a bit crap.
He's a Man U cast off that wasnt good enough for them.
He struggels to maintain his England starting spot despite virtually no competition.
He doesnt deliver in the big games.
He has skill and flair, which he shows well against poor oposition. Against good opposition he seems to struggle to make an impact.
Alligning Arsenal with the current England squad seems to me to be a lack of ambition. Good for England maybe. But not good enough to win the Premiership. England are after all, a bit crap.
If I was LvG I'd have paid you guys £16m to take him. Welbeck is way out of his depth. For us he scored a handful of goals and had been with us far too long, he'd had his chance to impress and he never did. Make all the excuses you like but his stats over 4 years or so tell the story clearly.
Exactly, he is someone who was not good enough to play at Man U, the same Man U who took our best striker and who we have still not replaced, he is decidedly average and has not shown at any time that he's good enough to be in a top 4 let alone supposed title chasing team.
It has demonstrated our lack of ambition, Ballotelli and Negredo both sold this transfer, for me 2 better options.
The biggest s
t kicker is that we needed a defensive midfielder and probably another CB, ignassi Miguel left yesterday as well so we got rid of another CB.
The annoying thing, Chelsea needed a striker last year and early doors went out and bought a worldie for a pretty decent price and then had the nerve to improve again with Fab. They are now favourites to win the league because they strengthened their squad with proven world class players in the positions they needed to.
Our purchases up until the lack of CB, DM and Welbeck was a step in the right direction, but ultimately failed to get what was needed and were resolved to buying someone who is decidedly average. Its a step backward after the last year or so of going forwards.
It has demonstrated our lack of ambition, Ballotelli and Negredo both sold this transfer, for me 2 better options.
The biggest s
t kicker is that we needed a defensive midfielder and probably another CB, ignassi Miguel left yesterday as well so we got rid of another CB.The annoying thing, Chelsea needed a striker last year and early doors went out and bought a worldie for a pretty decent price and then had the nerve to improve again with Fab. They are now favourites to win the league because they strengthened their squad with proven world class players in the positions they needed to.
Our purchases up until the lack of CB, DM and Welbeck was a step in the right direction, but ultimately failed to get what was needed and were resolved to buying someone who is decidedly average. Its a step backward after the last year or so of going forwards.
Mattygooner said:
Exactly, he is someone who was not good enough to play at Man U, the same Man U who took our best striker and who we have still not replaced, he is decidedly average and has not shown at any time that he's good enough to be in a top 4 let alone supposed title chasing team.
It has demonstrated our lack of ambition, Ballotelli and Negredo both sold this transfer, for me 2 better options.
The biggest st kicker is that we needed a defensive midfielder and probably another CB, ignassi Miguel left yesterday as well so we got rid of another CB.
The annoying thing, Chelsea needed a striker last year and early doors went out and bought a worldie for a pretty decent price and then had the nerve to improve again with Fab. They are now favourites to win the league because they strengthened their squad with proven world class players in the positions they needed to.
Our purchases up until the lack of CB, DM and Welbeck was a step in the right direction, but ultimately failed to get what was needed and were resolved to buying someone who is decidedly average. Its a step backward after the last year or so of going forwards.
Whilst a lot of what you say is correct. It really fIt has demonstrated our lack of ambition, Ballotelli and Negredo both sold this transfer, for me 2 better options.
The biggest s
t kicker is that we needed a defensive midfielder and probably another CB, ignassi Miguel left yesterday as well so we got rid of another CB.The annoying thing, Chelsea needed a striker last year and early doors went out and bought a worldie for a pretty decent price and then had the nerve to improve again with Fab. They are now favourites to win the league because they strengthened their squad with proven world class players in the positions they needed to.
Our purchases up until the lack of CB, DM and Welbeck was a step in the right direction, but ultimately failed to get what was needed and were resolved to buying someone who is decidedly average. Its a step backward after the last year or so of going forwards.
king annoys me that people like you (and to be fair you're not the only one) have written the lad off before he's even kicked a ball for us. I want him to do well, I want to give the lad a chance and some encouragement for the benefit of Arsenal. I'm even more behind him now and than before.
Mattygooner said:
Exactly, he is someone who was not good enough to play at Man U, the same Man U who took our best striker and who we have still not replaced, he is decidedly average and has not shown at any time that he's good enough to be in a top 4 let alone supposed title chasing team.
It has demonstrated our lack of ambition, Ballotelli and Negredo both sold this transfer, for me 2 better options.
Balotelli may be a good signing or it could be the biggest mistake Liverpool have made in a while, there is a reason AC virtually handed him to themIt has demonstrated our lack of ambition, Ballotelli and Negredo both sold this transfer, for me 2 better options.
City would have never sold Negredo to any Top 4 team thats just mental
As I have said Danny has been playing in front one of the poorest midfields in the Top 4, often on the wing and often as a sub, give the lad a chance.
Or to put it another way, the majority of Utd fans I know are a little bit disapointed we sold him, especially to a rival and we have watched him week in week out for years
Alfahorn said:
Whilst a lot of what you say is correct. It really fking annoys me that people like you (and to be fair you're not the only one) have written the lad off before he's even kicked a ball for us.
I want him to do well, I want to give the lad a chance and some encouragement for the benefit of Arsenal. I'm even more behind him now and than before.
Don't get me wrong, he is a gooner now and i will get behind him, but there is a reason why so many people are down on him before he has kicked a ball and that is that we have not seen anything in him that is going to improve our squad, we need someone to put away 20+ goals a season, something he has not done or has shown the ability to do so.king annoys me that people like you (and to be fair you're not the only one) have written the lad off before he's even kicked a ball for us. I want him to do well, I want to give the lad a chance and some encouragement for the benefit of Arsenal. I'm even more behind him now and than before.
We have lots of people (admittedly we have got rid of quite a few already) who could be great,we don't need someone who could be good, we needed someone who is proven they can step in a do the job and takes us to the top step of challenging for titles.
It would for me have been better for Wenger to say that we have Akpom and Campbell, it's time for them to step up, instead they see us bringing in a striker who they could argue they have the beating of, not someone they can look up to and learn from. they have both been grafting away either out on loan or in the reserves to get their chance.
Ultimately we have not got our targets and are left in a position where our competitors have a world class strike lineup and we don't.
Are the Man u,Chelsea or Man City forums full of people saying "ahhhhh come on, he's not that bad" for their forwards?
We should not be in this position, there is certainly no one going out to buy a Welbeck shirt this morning!
But he did choose us instead of Hull, Sunderland or spuds...
Alfahorn said:
Arrogant post. Assumes I haven't seen the lad play and therefore shouldn't have an opinion, which is incorrect.
Who he scores against is to an extent irrelevant, he doesn't chose the opposition he's selected to play against. The fact remains he's got in to position to score goals. He is a talented player, he's got a lot to offer he needs to play in a team where he'll be given a good run and a chance to develop. He's not world class and may never be world class but I think he'll prove himself to be a very good and valuable (for this contribution) premier league player.
We'll see in time what he brings to Arsenal & England (if selected)
Nothing arrogant at all. You're stating that he's good because he's scored 1 in 3 for England against very weak opposition - ignoring all the games he didn't score in against good opposition. As I say, stats are meaningless. You have to watch a player to appreciate their ability. Clearly our impressions of Welbeck differ though.Who he scores against is to an extent irrelevant, he doesn't chose the opposition he's selected to play against. The fact remains he's got in to position to score goals. He is a talented player, he's got a lot to offer he needs to play in a team where he'll be given a good run and a chance to develop. He's not world class and may never be world class but I think he'll prove himself to be a very good and valuable (for this contribution) premier league player.
We'll see in time what he brings to Arsenal & England (if selected)
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