The Official Arsenal - 12 x FA Cup Winners - Thread [Vol 3]
Discussion
Glassman said:
Ox on for Ozil was the obvious swap. Instead he opted to upset Cazorla.
That was just an incredibly bad choice. My main gripe with Ozil is that he never sticks a foot in or risks himself for the team, expecting everything to happen for him, while Alexis gets clattered in the last few games and keeps on working hard. Nothing to do with management.
I think it was a good game to watch and in the main we managed to keep Costa quiet. The result was predicable/inevitable; Wele giving away possession too many times; game killed off by *that* pass from Cesc. Clinical, and job done.
Chambers suspended, and possibly a couple of upset players in the camp.
Woo-bloody-hoo.
Chambers suspended, and possibly a couple of upset players in the camp.
Woo-bloody-hoo.
London424 said:
They're not "crowing" about anything...I made the comment and I'm not a chelsea fan...hth.
And the fact you even mention it here as well as there suggests it might bother you more than you suggest.
So I'm even more at a loss to understand why you're so keen to believe I'm bothered that Chelsea have Cesc? And the fact you even mention it here as well as there suggests it might bother you more than you suggest.
You've simply interpreted my words to suit your own agenda, which is best known to you.
If you check (as your seem to so bothered by it) I actually said we didn't need him before he joined Chelsea.
Alfahorn said:
London424 said:
They're not "crowing" about anything...I made the comment and I'm not a chelsea fan...hth.
And the fact you even mention it here as well as there suggests it might bother you more than you suggest.
So I'm even more at a loss to understand why you're so keen to believe I'm bothered that Chelsea have Cesc? And the fact you even mention it here as well as there suggests it might bother you more than you suggest.
You've simply interpreted my words to suit your own agenda, which is best known to you.
If you check (as your seem to so bothered by it) I actually said we didn't need him before he joined Chelsea.
No need to get worked up...I just think it's funny when fans say they aren't annoyed about letting one of the best midfielders in the world go to a competitor when they clearly are. I know I'd be pissed.
Black can man said:
Allyc85 said:
What a load of s
t. How the fk did Ozil play the whole game?
He doesn't seem interested when the oppo's are half decent, looks a complete waste of £43m tbht. How the fk did Ozil play the whole game?Cheib said:
To be fair being a Spud you should know what wasted money looks like...how are Lamela and Soldado doing this year ?
Lamelas doing quite well thanks, starting to link up well with Erikson and a few others, maybe not the next Bale but will be a good player none the less.Soldado is the European strike force so you can watch him play every Thursday night on ITV4 to make up your own mind
Cheib said:
Black can man said:
Allyc85 said:
What a load of st. How the fk did Ozil play the whole game?
He doesn't seem interested when the oppo's are half decent, looks a complete waste of £43m tbht. How the fk did Ozil play the whole game?I think it was a fair result, and I didn't expect much better... maybe sneak a draw.
But the analysis on MOTD2 was very key to how a team breaks the Arsenal way of playing with small little fouls in the middle of the pitch to stop the momentum. Barcelona did the same thing to us too and we can't play well if we lose the quick movement and passing to make sure teams are out of position. Stick the foul in and get the positions sorted again.
The likes of Chelsea and Barcelona then have the quality to create something against our defensive frailties - unfortunately unless we have a different way of playing these games, a bit better tactical nous then we will continue to struggle against the teams who have worked out "how to play" Arsenal.
Regardless of the personnel on the pitch.
But the analysis on MOTD2 was very key to how a team breaks the Arsenal way of playing with small little fouls in the middle of the pitch to stop the momentum. Barcelona did the same thing to us too and we can't play well if we lose the quick movement and passing to make sure teams are out of position. Stick the foul in and get the positions sorted again.
The likes of Chelsea and Barcelona then have the quality to create something against our defensive frailties - unfortunately unless we have a different way of playing these games, a bit better tactical nous then we will continue to struggle against the teams who have worked out "how to play" Arsenal.
Regardless of the personnel on the pitch.
Alfahorn said:
Cupramax said:
Ozil doesnt appear interested in any game where he has to put a shift in, i think every time he had the ball in the first half he either gave it away, fell over or just got out played by whoever tackled him. Probably 3 of our players had a half decent game, Chambers, Wilshere, & Alexis, the rest just werent trying hard enough, i mean fk me, not 1 single shot on target, the play was pedestrian at best and Chelsea just sat there and soaked it up.
I've bemoaned the lack of tempo a lot of late. In the Chelsea thread they're crowing on about us being upset they got Fabregas. I'm envious they've got Matic, he's a superb player and improve us and I believe make us genuine contenders. k me, not 1 single shot on target, the play was pedestrian at best and Chelsea just sat there and soaked it up.With regards Ozil. I think a lot of the issues are down mismanagement by Wenger.
Wenger has the ability to turn a world class player into an average one - he's done it before.
Playing him out of his favoured position and playing the game at a slow tempo just doesn't suit his playing style. Chelsea were always going to play the type of game they did, so I'm not surprised Ozil had a bad game.
And as for Wenger's stupid childish playground spat with Mourinho on the touchline
London424 said:
Alfahorn said:
London424 said:
They're not "crowing" about anything...I made the comment and I'm not a chelsea fan...hth.
And the fact you even mention it here as well as there suggests it might bother you more than you suggest.
So I'm even more at a loss to understand why you're so keen to believe I'm bothered that Chelsea have Cesc? And the fact you even mention it here as well as there suggests it might bother you more than you suggest.
You've simply interpreted my words to suit your own agenda, which is best known to you.
If you check (as your seem to so bothered by it) I actually said we didn't need him before he joined Chelsea.
No need to get worked up...I just think it's funny when fans say they aren't annoyed about letting one of the best midfielders in the world go to a competitor when they clearly are. I know I'd be pissed.
great i didn't have to endure watching giroud. probably the best thing for me in that match.
bad i had to see fab4 comprehensibly demonstrate why he is head and shoulders above what we have in his position and what a mistake not exercising the buy back option was. nothing new there unless you are a delusional ramsey fan.. inline that wenger played a system worked out by 2nd rate managers 3 seasons ago and didn't change things to suit the situation.
interestingly JM doesn't even acknowledge AW any more its as if hes so far beneath him its almost embarrassing. his specialist in failure comment statistically just became stronger again. wenger simply cant perform against the big teams.
no doubt we will beat Anderlect and all will be forgiven as per ....MUFC will be a very interesting match and could well be the turning point for that club at our expense if AW doesn't buck up his ideas , stop with the constant excuses and address the issues.... once again, IMHO our team is punching well below its weight when the pressure is on.
our team was good enough to go to CFC, stifle the game and play counter attacking football for the draw or get lucky. wenger tried a very different approach on the pitch and off it judging by what i saw and his school boy antics casually marching out of his technical area and shoving JM about. does he seriously think when his players see him doing that they are going to be more focused on the job at hand OR see their manager lose the mental initiative / high ground.
frankly JM knew he had him licked (again) at that point. same old s**t
bad i had to see fab4 comprehensibly demonstrate why he is head and shoulders above what we have in his position and what a mistake not exercising the buy back option was. nothing new there unless you are a delusional ramsey fan.. inline that wenger played a system worked out by 2nd rate managers 3 seasons ago and didn't change things to suit the situation.
interestingly JM doesn't even acknowledge AW any more its as if hes so far beneath him its almost embarrassing. his specialist in failure comment statistically just became stronger again. wenger simply cant perform against the big teams.
no doubt we will beat Anderlect and all will be forgiven as per ....MUFC will be a very interesting match and could well be the turning point for that club at our expense if AW doesn't buck up his ideas , stop with the constant excuses and address the issues.... once again, IMHO our team is punching well below its weight when the pressure is on.
our team was good enough to go to CFC, stifle the game and play counter attacking football for the draw or get lucky. wenger tried a very different approach on the pitch and off it judging by what i saw and his school boy antics casually marching out of his technical area and shoving JM about. does he seriously think when his players see him doing that they are going to be more focused on the job at hand OR see their manager lose the mental initiative / high ground.
frankly JM knew he had him licked (again) at that point. same old s**t
I'll be 100% honest I fking hate the fact Fabregas plays for anyone other than Arsenal and I hate the fact we didn't sign him. I more than most on here have given Wenger the benefit of the doubt for the last few years because it was plainly obvious we didn't have the money...not signing Fabregas is a cluster fk of almighty proportions especially given they knew where he would go if they didn't sign him . It really couldn't be worse than Chelsea who I have absolutely no time for as a club because of how they are run and who owns them.
He's a genuine world class player which cannot be said of many players. That said he's lost to us and I'll be an Arsenal fan til long after he's retired. Move on.
king hate the fact Fabregas plays for anyone other than Arsenal and I hate the fact we didn't sign him. I more than most on here have given Wenger the benefit of the doubt for the last few years because it was plainly obvious we didn't have the money...not signing Fabregas is a cluster fk of almighty proportions especially given they knew where he would go if they didn't sign him . It really couldn't be worse than Chelsea who I have absolutely no time for as a club because of how they are run and who owns them. He's a genuine world class player which cannot be said of many players. That said he's lost to us and I'll be an Arsenal fan til long after he's retired. Move on.
The most telling thing for me at the weekend was that I wasn't upset to lose to Chelsea as it was only by two goals. I no longer have any faith in Wenger to go toe to toe with the likes of Jose and Pellegrini for a whole season. We'll get top 4 this season, probably have a decent run in the champions league until we get drawn againts one of the big teams, and maybe even push the FA Cup close but I can't see us challnging for any of the trophys' that matter while he's still at the helm.
I fking love Sanchez, and would still pick him over Cesc if it was one or the other, but we had the finances to bring both. And as good as Ozil is when played in the right position, he's still no Fabregas. We've got a great squad and our second half againts Chelsea showed we can out play anyone on our day, but we just don't have the balls to gain the consistency that separates us from the likes of City and Chelsea. Just my two pence ...
I f
king love Sanchez, and would still pick him over Cesc if it was one or the other, but we had the finances to bring both. And as good as Ozil is when played in the right position, he's still no Fabregas. We've got a great squad and our second half againts Chelsea showed we can out play anyone on our day, but we just don't have the balls to gain the consistency that separates us from the likes of City and Chelsea. Just my two pence ...I maintain, Arsenal would not have won at Chelsea even if we'd had Fabregas. He is another diminutive midfielder of the like we already have too many off.
Cesc is a special talent, however we've got talented players and what we really need is midfield enforcers to enable our talented players like Ozil, Cazorla and Wilshere et al to do the damage further up the pitch.
We need a more physical presence. We are too soft, too lightweight and Febregas isn't going to resolve that. I think we have more than enough personnel to create, we need power simple as that.
Cesc is a special talent, however we've got talented players and what we really need is midfield enforcers to enable our talented players like Ozil, Cazorla and Wilshere et al to do the damage further up the pitch.
We need a more physical presence. We are too soft, too lightweight and Febregas isn't going to resolve that. I think we have more than enough personnel to create, we need power simple as that.
Edited by Alfahorn on Tuesday 7th October 17:40
flamini had a good game, broke up play and got stuck in at times...he wasnt bad....
problem wasn't losing the ball or failing to control it or starting counters (enforcers job). fact is we got the ball plenty of times to the final third, it was the lack of skill/belief and total lack of a plan b to score in the final third that didn't help imo. JW was isolated and at times had to take too much on by himself, hes not a Hazard. the system is the system. AW lives and dies by his system. it never changes....
enforcer or not. trying to walk a ball into the CFC net just isnt going to work. playing a different system fab4 may or may not have found that killer ball through for us who knows. i would take him in the team over anything we currently have bar sanchez. its funny how short gooners memories are sometimes. fab4 practically broke all records in his position at afc as more or less an infant! no debate, hes absolutely top flight AAA and vocal a captain that leads by example and a genuine winner with belief - something we lack in our team who appear sometimes to be more concerned with david beckham haircuts and face furniture and smile when they miss an easy goal (thinking of ramsey and giroud here and i would fine them a weeks wages just for that).
AW claiming he would only buy players that improve the squad and then drop out of the buy back sums it up.... its hard to argue fab4 wouldn't have improved the squad.
completely agree we need more size though.... i would take a new manager with new ideas first. AW is not getting 100pc out of the players he has and his system is flawed.
problem wasn't losing the ball or failing to control it or starting counters (enforcers job). fact is we got the ball plenty of times to the final third, it was the lack of skill/belief and total lack of a plan b to score in the final third that didn't help imo. JW was isolated and at times had to take too much on by himself, hes not a Hazard. the system is the system. AW lives and dies by his system. it never changes....
enforcer or not. trying to walk a ball into the CFC net just isnt going to work. playing a different system fab4 may or may not have found that killer ball through for us who knows. i would take him in the team over anything we currently have bar sanchez. its funny how short gooners memories are sometimes. fab4 practically broke all records in his position at afc as more or less an infant! no debate, hes absolutely top flight AAA and vocal a captain that leads by example and a genuine winner with belief - something we lack in our team who appear sometimes to be more concerned with david beckham haircuts and face furniture and smile when they miss an easy goal (thinking of ramsey and giroud here and i would fine them a weeks wages just for that).
AW claiming he would only buy players that improve the squad and then drop out of the buy back sums it up.... its hard to argue fab4 wouldn't have improved the squad.
completely agree we need more size though.... i would take a new manager with new ideas first. AW is not getting 100pc out of the players he has and his system is flawed.
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