The Official Arsenal - 12 x FA Cup Winners - Thread [Vol 3]
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MrMagoo said:
Alfahorn said:
That's unfair.
He's having to play with a shower of s
te, bunch of brainless powder puff s in midfield. I'm very happy with him, he had the only chance in the first half and assisted for the goal.
Can't doubt his effort and commitment, but he's never going to be world class. He's a good player but if we want to be challnging for titles then he should be nowhere near our team as a striker. I can't see him ever getting 20 goals in a season. I think we're going to have to wait until Akpom gets a call up until we get that striker we've been missing. He far too good for the U21s, Crowley too. He's having to play with a shower of s
te, bunch of brainless powder puff s in midfield. I'm very happy with him, he had the only chance in the first half and assisted for the goal. As for Akpom, he's merely a kid and so isn't the answer either. However, i don't know why you're focussing on Wellbeck? He's the least of our problems at the moment.
epom said:
Hello all, just popped in to check the result (usually frequent the LFC forum). Jeez thought 'twas bad over our way, glad we are not alone. Ps I'm assuming you also didn't win?
I think this is the poorest the Prem has been for some time. Chelsea aside it's depressing to see jut how far the level has fallen. It's great as a football fan to see the likes of Southampton do so well, but looking at the quality in La Liga, Series A and Bundesliga we've slipped off, with the amount of money in the Premier League I'm not sure why that is. Tactically naive perhaps? Football has left the 'English game' behind. It's is somewhat comforting knowing every top club is struggling bar the boys in blue of course, annoyingly.Alfahorn said:
I don't disagree that Wellbeck will never be world class. However, he's a very good footballer and worthy of his place in the team at the moment. He's a far better player than that cart horse Giroud will ever be.
As for Akpom, he's merely a kid and so isn't the answer either. However, i don't know why you're focussing on Wellbeck? He's the least of our problems at the moment.
His worthy of a place in our team because we have no one else! Akpom could do no worse IMO, not that we'll see it, so I agree its pointless discussing it. As for Akpom, he's merely a kid and so isn't the answer either. However, i don't know why you're focussing on Wellbeck? He's the least of our problems at the moment.
We have no tactical sense at all, 1-0 up with 10 mins to go and we still commit 9 men to the attack. And that blame lays squarely at the manager. No one else.
The fact he brung on Sanogo, a player yet to score for us instead of Podolski, just smacks of ignorance of the highest order. Chambers was being crucified all game yet nothing was done, Ramsey was as bad as I've seen him yet he waits until after they draw level to bring him off. I just don't understand what goes on In his mind to make these decisions. Don't get me started on the defence.
Thank f
k for Alexis fking Sanchez. Barca must be thinking what the hell have they done!pinchmeimdreamin said:
Alfahorn said:
MrMagoo said:
Wellbeck has reverted back to his old self.
He's having to play with a shower of s
te, bunch of brainless powder puff s in midfield. I'm very happy with him, he had the only chance in the first half and assisted for the goal. Oh dear, just watched that on delayed start.
By feck we can be bad, even in school boy football the on pitch captain would have noted Chambers getting skimmed every time and got someone to back him up. Can't believe a pitch full of professionals and a manager and coach on the side lines no one did anything about it.
Shocking team performance, poor on every level tbh.
There was no real desire until they levelled it and then blind panick when they went ahead.
Even the last kick if the match could have saved it, but Jack rather than put his right foot through it decided at 5 yards out and 4 minutes into 4 minutes of injury time he needed to get it on his left first!
By feck we can be bad, even in school boy football the on pitch captain would have noted Chambers getting skimmed every time and got someone to back him up. Can't believe a pitch full of professionals and a manager and coach on the side lines no one did anything about it.
Shocking team performance, poor on every level tbh.
There was no real desire until they levelled it and then blind panick when they went ahead.
Even the last kick if the match could have saved it, but Jack rather than put his right foot through it decided at 5 yards out and 4 minutes into 4 minutes of injury time he needed to get it on his left first!
MrMagoo said:
I think this is the poorest the Prem has been for some time. Chelsea aside it's depressing to see jut how far the level has fallen. It's great as a football fan to see the likes of Southampton do so well, but looking at the quality in La Liga, Series A and Bundesliga we've slipped off, with the amount of money in the Premier League I'm not sure why that is. Tactically naive perhaps? Football has left the 'English game' behind. It's is somewhat comforting knowing every top club is struggling bar the boys in blue of course, annoyingly.
Very true, sadly Chelsea will walk it this year. Too many mediocre players on huge wages at the top clubs.HarryW said:
Oh dear, just watched that on delayed start.
By feck we can be bad, even in school boy football the on pitch captain would have noted Chambers getting skimmed every time and got someone to back him up. Can't believe a pitch full of professionals and a manager and coach on the side lines no one did anything about it.
This is the main problem for me, utterly no action to help a young inexperienced player being reamed again and again. No change of shape, no double cover, he could have even stuck Bellerin on who's rocket ship fast and stuck Chambers in the middle with Mert where he looked ok earlier in tge season.By feck we can be bad, even in school boy football the on pitch captain would have noted Chambers getting skimmed every time and got someone to back him up. Can't believe a pitch full of professionals and a manager and coach on the side lines no one did anything about it.
This is Wenger's biggest fault, he cant see whats staring him in the face and is too pig headed to change anything.
Cupramax said:
HarryW said:
Oh dear, just watched that on delayed start.
By feck we can be bad, even in school boy football the on pitch captain would have noted Chambers getting skimmed every time and got someone to back him up. Can't believe a pitch full of professionals and a manager and coach on the side lines no one did anything about it.
This is the main problem for me, utterly no action to help a young inexperienced player being reamed again and again. No change of shape, no double cover, he could have even stuck Bellerin on who's rocket ship fast and stuck Chambers in the middle with Mert where he looked ok earlier in tge season.By feck we can be bad, even in school boy football the on pitch captain would have noted Chambers getting skimmed every time and got someone to back him up. Can't believe a pitch full of professionals and a manager and coach on the side lines no one did anything about it.
This is Wenger's biggest fault, he cant see whats staring him in the face and is too pig headed to change anything.
1. Steve Bould was part of one of the most successful, if not legendary, defences the PL has ever seen. So how come you always look wobbly at the back?
2. What's happened to Joel Campbell? He looked so bright and energetic in the World Cup and I'm sure Wenger said he wasn't interested in loaning him out to another club.
3. Is Santi Cazorla carrying a knock? Like Ozil, he looked superb when he first came but just lately, he seems to have the weight of the world on his shoulders. Injury maybe?
4. Has Jack Wilshere got a right foot? At the end there, you don't fart around trying to get the ball on your stronger foot, you swing and connect with it.
A great game overall yesterday chaps, obviously better for me in the end! I almost felt sorry for Chambers in the end, he will be having nightmares about Montero for a while. Where was the protection?!
A little mention to our new boy Barrow - I had heard he was quick but when he left Gibbs (who must be one of the quickest FB's in the league?) from a standing start with the ball, I realised just how quick!
A little mention to our new boy Barrow - I had heard he was quick but when he left Gibbs (who must be one of the quickest FB's in the league?) from a standing start with the ball, I realised just how quick!
Cie said:
Diddums.
If you have something to contribute I'dike to hear it, otherwise if your intention is attempting WUM of the year award you've failed on the basis of lack of invention and only having half the wit that is a pre-requisite (see that's how it's done!)Edited by Trophybloo on Monday 10th November 14:00
Trophybloo said:
Cie said:
Diddums.
If you have something to contribute I'dike to hear it, otherwise if your intention is attempting WUM of the year award you've failed on the basis of lack of in invention and only having half the wit that is a pre-requisite (see that's how it's done!)
GloverMart said:
Speaking as an outsider to this, a few things puzzle me (and may well puzzle you too!).
1. Steve Bould was part of one of the most successful, if not legendary, defences the PL has ever seen. So how come you always look wobbly at the back?
2. What's happened to Joel Campbell? He looked so bright and energetic in the World Cup and I'm sure Wenger said he wasn't interested in loaning him out to another club.
3. Is Santi Cazorla carrying a knock? Like Ozil, he looked superb when he first came but just lately, he seems to have the weight of the world on his shoulders. Injury maybe?
4. Has Jack Wilshere got a right foot? At the end there, you don't fart around trying to get the ball on your stronger foot, you swing and connect with it.
Was it last season when Bould was supposed to be getting more dedicated time with the defence ? It's not just the defence though....Flamini and Ramsey need to f1. Steve Bould was part of one of the most successful, if not legendary, defences the PL has ever seen. So how come you always look wobbly at the back?
2. What's happened to Joel Campbell? He looked so bright and energetic in the World Cup and I'm sure Wenger said he wasn't interested in loaning him out to another club.
3. Is Santi Cazorla carrying a knock? Like Ozil, he looked superb when he first came but just lately, he seems to have the weight of the world on his shoulders. Injury maybe?
4. Has Jack Wilshere got a right foot? At the end there, you don't fart around trying to get the ball on your stronger foot, you swing and connect with it.
king understand what their job is. Campbell is apparently less than happy about life having been refused a permenant move in the summer. He's not had much game time but when he has he's not looked that impressive. Having lost his place on the bench to the goal machine known as Sanogo he must be royally f
ked off.Santi looks out of form but then so does the whole midfield bar Ox and Alexis.
Shocking miss be JW at the end...
Arsenal haven't put 90 mins together yet this season.....it's really worrying (be even more worrying if everyone else was playing well). I don't see that a new DM and CB in January will change it.
Cheib said:
Flamini and Ramsey need to fking understand what their job is.
Keown made a good point that Flamini needs to learn when to occupy space rather than commit to the man - exactly like he did when he attempted to challenge Sigurdsson high up the pitch with no-one sitting behind him and in front of the defence, allowing Barrow through the middle into the huge expanse of green.king understand what their job is. you mean they need to be told not to do what they have been told to do.
are you seriously suggesting they are just running about like headless chickens?
wenger dictates who can run up and down that pitch or hold position. he honestly thinks committing 5 players in a headless chicken attack is the right thing to do, hes basically said it indirectly time and time again.
the guy is an over paid clown that's holding the club back ....
are you seriously suggesting they are just running about like headless chickens?
wenger dictates who can run up and down that pitch or hold position. he honestly thinks committing 5 players in a headless chicken attack is the right thing to do, hes basically said it indirectly time and time again.
the guy is an over paid clown that's holding the club back ....
bobo said:
you mean they need to be told not to do what they have been told to do.
are you seriously suggesting they are just running about like headless chickens?
wenger dictates who can run up and down that pitch or hold position. he honestly thinks committing 5 players in a headless chicken attack is the right thing to do, hes basically said it indirectly time and time again.
the guy is an over paid clown that's holding the club back ....
+1 His shelf life expired in 2009 - all the smoke and mirrors about the stadium move has just obscured the fact that many other less-celebrated managers would have done far more with the resources at Wenger's disposal. Ok, maybe not Allardyce are you seriously suggesting they are just running about like headless chickens?
wenger dictates who can run up and down that pitch or hold position. he honestly thinks committing 5 players in a headless chicken attack is the right thing to do, hes basically said it indirectly time and time again.
the guy is an over paid clown that's holding the club back ....
I disagree, I don't think there's a single manager in the game that could've have managed Arsenal as well as Arsne had, through the difficult period following the move. He worked miracles for the last 6-7 years.
But now there's no excuses. We have the money, yet we go into the season an injury away of having Monreal at CB. That's plain incompetence at the highest level. So is relying on Flamini and Arteta to do arguably the most important role on the pitch. Again incompetence. Throwing away wins while in comfortable positions, incompetence. Team lacking a backbone, incompetence. No tactical awareness, incompetence. No plan B, incompetence.
He's philosophy has no place in modern football, and it's plain to see he can't adapt. The games left him and us well behind.
But now there's no excuses. We have the money, yet we go into the season an injury away of having Monreal at CB. That's plain incompetence at the highest level. So is relying on Flamini and Arteta to do arguably the most important role on the pitch. Again incompetence. Throwing away wins while in comfortable positions, incompetence. Team lacking a backbone, incompetence. No tactical awareness, incompetence. No plan B, incompetence.
He's philosophy has no place in modern football, and it's plain to see he can't adapt. The games left him and us well behind.
The stubbornness of Wenger is obviously a problem, but there were 10 other players on your team yesterday who were even closer to the action and could see Chambers was being arse-reamed.
Does Wenger hold so much power that none of the players can deviate from the tactics even when they can see it is not working? As good as AOC was going forward for you, someone like Flamini or Mertersacker needed to bk him about his defensive responsibilities.
Does Wenger hold so much power that none of the players can deviate from the tactics even when they can see it is not working? As good as AOC was going forward for you, someone like Flamini or Mertersacker needed to b
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