Greg Dyke speech
Discussion
I think the Swiss Ramble summarised my views quite nicely.
Blueprint for incoming Chairman:
Step 1. Announce new strategy (probably same as old strategy, but dress it up in a grand speech).
Step 2. Set big, hairy, headline-grabbing targets (ensure so far in future that you will be long gone before you can be judged).
Step 3. Form a commission or working group to "resolve" the issues (include same people who got you into the mess in the first place)
Blueprint for incoming Chairman:
Step 1. Announce new strategy (probably same as old strategy, but dress it up in a grand speech).
Step 2. Set big, hairy, headline-grabbing targets (ensure so far in future that you will be long gone before you can be judged).
Step 3. Form a commission or working group to "resolve" the issues (include same people who got you into the mess in the first place)
Goonowski said:
obob said:
No it really is a lack of technical ability.
Its not the clubs fault to be honest if there were English players good enough they'd be playing ahead of foreigners. But go and see how they train young kids in Spain or Germany or Brazil. Its all about ball skills, then go see kids training in England where they all get sworn at by their parents for giving the ball away if they try a flick and they hoof it down the park to get rid of it because they don't want to make a mistake.
I agree. The flair is trained out of kids at the academies. Pass pass pass don't fIts not the clubs fault to be honest if there were English players good enough they'd be playing ahead of foreigners. But go and see how they train young kids in Spain or Germany or Brazil. Its all about ball skills, then go see kids training in England where they all get sworn at by their parents for giving the ball away if they try a flick and they hoof it down the park to get rid of it because they don't want to make a mistake.
k it up. I've watched probably 80 games over the last 3 seasons going from under 8,through under 11 at Premier League Academy level. The kids are encouraged to express themselves, loads and loads of individual skill stuff and ball work at training 3/4 times week, loads of pass and move drills. What they're also taught is an awareness of when to use the flicks and when to pick the pass, and a lot of what are termed "street footballers" who look great in normal Sunday morning football are rejected if they can't be taught that awareness. Being able to do 90 keepy-ups at 8 years old doesn't make you a footballer,just a very keen one. There are no leagues, the boys are told mistakes are a natural part of their development, and results are unimportant at their age in the big scale of things. What they want to see is some of the stuff they've been taught in training transferred into matches.
The best thing about watching the games, is that the parents are only allowed to applaud, other than than that they have to shut the f
k up, which makes it a pleasure to watch.obob said:
Changed lots since I coached kids about 5 years ago then. Do they still play on a massive pitch with massiveheavy Mitre balls.
Obob,please don't take this the wrong way, but did you teach at Premier League club Academy,( or as it is called now Cat 1) or was it soccer schools, satellite/off-shoot academies,or Sunday junior league etc?My sons both referee youth football and I often go to watch. I wish at our level the parents were only allowed to applaud. Apart from abusing the ref (the parents, not the players), the top 5 phrases are variations on:
1. Don't fk about with it at the back, lump it forward.
2. That kids useless, he's too small and not strong enough.
3. Get your foot in/kick him/let him know you mean business.
4. Get it in the fking box
5. Don't sodding roll it out keeper, hoof it.
It's so depressing. And god help any kid who can hold the ball take someone on, he's a selfish little bugger!
1. Don't f
k about with it at the back, lump it forward.2. That kids useless, he's too small and not strong enough.
3. Get your foot in/kick him/let him know you mean business.
4. Get it in the f
king box5. Don't sodding roll it out keeper, hoof it.
It's so depressing. And god help any kid who can hold the ball take someone on, he's a selfish little bugger!
TwigtheWonderkid said:
My sons both referee youth football and I often go to watch. I wish at our level the parents were only allowed to applaud. Apart from abusing the ref (the parents, not the players), the top 5 phrases are variations on:
1. Don't fk about with it at the back, lump it forward.
2. That kids useless, he's too small and not strong enough.
3. Get your foot in/kick him/let him know you mean business.
4. Get it in the fking box
5. Don't sodding roll it out keeper, hoof it.
It's so depressing. And god help any kid who can hold the ball take someone on, he's a selfish little bugger!
Academy level version(at least up to Under 11's)1. Don't f
k about with it at the back, lump it forward.2. That kids useless, he's too small and not strong enough.
3. Get your foot in/kick him/let him know you mean business.
4. Get it in the f
king box5. Don't sodding roll it out keeper, hoof it.
It's so depressing. And god help any kid who can hold the ball take someone on, he's a selfish little bugger!
1.Three options to pass from the back via the keeper
2.If the kid's got something,but is too small physically ,he can play down a year.
3.Stay on your feet.
4.Come out again if the killer pass isn't on.
5.Roll it out,pass it out,throw it out only.
It's a pleasure to watch.
sjc said:
Academy level version(at least up to Under 11's)
1.Three options to pass from the back via the keeper
2.If the kid's got something,but is too small physically ,he can play down a year.
3.Stay on your feet.
4.Come out again if the killer pass isn't on.
5.Roll it out,pass it out,throw it out only.
It's a pleasure to watch.
Cool, then I suspect we'll have a lot more players at the top level. I was at a football school but it was the same thing in the academies but they weren't Premier League. Both Sheffield teams were in the championship then I think.1.Three options to pass from the back via the keeper
2.If the kid's got something,but is too small physically ,he can play down a year.
3.Stay on your feet.
4.Come out again if the killer pass isn't on.
5.Roll it out,pass it out,throw it out only.
It's a pleasure to watch.
obob said:
sjc said:
Academy level version(at least up to Under 11's)
1.Three options to pass from the back via the keeper
2.If the kid's got something,but is too small physically ,he can play down a year.
3.Stay on your feet.
4.Come out again if the killer pass isn't on.
5.Roll it out,pass it out,throw it out only.
It's a pleasure to watch.
Cool, then I suspect we'll have a lot more players at the top level. I was at a football school but it was the same thing in the academies but they weren't Premier League. Both Sheffield teams were in the championship then I think.1.Three options to pass from the back via the keeper
2.If the kid's got something,but is too small physically ,he can play down a year.
3.Stay on your feet.
4.Come out again if the killer pass isn't on.
5.Roll it out,pass it out,throw it out only.
It's a pleasure to watch.
It pains me to say it but I think we are in for a dire next 4 years where we will not qualify for nowt. I was once the most fervent England fan I witnessed the World Cup victory so I can say I have seen a few games,but when I look about the England squad it is diabolical rubbish no world class players and the good ones cry off with injuries we never get a settled side. When you look at 90 per cent of the Premiership managers are not English so therefore are he'll bent on keeping them fit for their clubs, they do not give a stuff about England. Old blochley face himself was proof of that. We will hear all the usual crap this that but nothing ever happens, I will tell you this the Premiership rules all and will take preferance all day long.
London424 said:
To be fair to him, Lambert isn't a bad player....
No he isn't. He's good enough to play for a middling premier league team, which is no mean feat. But he isn't international class. Or at least he wouldn't be in Holland, Germany, France, Spain, Brazil, Argentina, Belgium, Portugal or Italy. In England he is international class. That's how bad we are. That's not Lambert's fault. Good luck to the guy. Plus, if the aim is to win the world cup in 2022, he'll be 42. Not sure how he fits in to that plan.
The reason we've targeted 2022 is because we all know 2014 & 18 we have no hope. So given that we can't win, why play players that have no England future.
To be fair the future looks grim,as I cannot see many English youngsters coming through, and it only seems it will get worse when you see all foreign players be signed to Premiership clubs. They need to get someone who knows the game inside out technically and tactically at the new centre in Burton, like the French did with Houiler. Until we do this we will stagnate and just stumble on being a mediocre football nation . I looked at the Arsenal side the other night one of our top sides , just three English players Walcott Wlishire and Gibbs, now when you look at all the top European sides the basis of the team is home grown. Says it all really.
Edited by hilly10 on Saturday 7th September 04:09
During the French football revolution in the late eighties early nineties I was a regular visitor to a French village where a friend of mine had purchased a run down farmhouse,and after work I often used to go down to the football club to watch training and the odd match. You had kids as young as eight practising to bend a ball round a timber cut out wall of players,they would be at it for an hour or more. Kids were given a ball and encouraged to caress it love it be at one with it even completions on keepy uppy. There moto was get the kids comfortable with the ball first,fitness and strength building can come later as their bodies mature.. All we get in this country is the kids shouted at by their parents if they loose the ball, even mothers who know jack about the game can destroy a kids confidence . Not at any time were there parents standing on the touch line shouting at their offsprings,, you could never say that in this country
hilly10 said:
During the French football revolution in the late eighties early nineties I was a regular visitor to a French village where a friend of mine had purchased a run down farmhouse,and after work I often used to go down to the football club to watch training and the odd match. You had kids as young as eight practising to bend a ball round a timber cut out wall of players,they would be at it for an hour or more. Kids were given a ball and encouraged to caress it love it be at one with it even completions on keepy uppy. There moto was get the kids comfortable with the ball first,fitness and strength building can come later as their bodies mature.. All we get in this country is the kids shouted at by their parents if they loose the ball, even mothers who know jack about the game can destroy a kids confidence . Not at any time were there parents standing on the touch line shouting at their offsprings,, you could never say that in this country
The French had the advantage of hosting the world cup in 98, so they didn't need to worry about qualifying for it. They targeted that tournament and worked towards that. They failed to qualify for the 94 world cup, because they dropped so many points by putting in players who weren't good enough then, but would be in 98. Although the French were gutted not to qualify for 94, many of the more enlightened saw it as a price worth paying to try and win in 98.I just can't see that happening in England. The public here just won't accept failure now for a possible success in the future, the press won't stand for it either. Which is a shame, because winning in 22 could be a possibility if we start picking now the players that could feature then.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
London424 said:
To be fair to him, Lambert isn't a bad player....
No he isn't. He's good enough to play for a middling premier league team, which is no mean feat. But he isn't international class. Or at least he wouldn't be in Holland, Germany, France, Spain, Brazil, Argentina, Belgium, Portugal or Italy. In England he is international class. That's how bad we are. That's not Lambert's fault. Good luck to the guy. Plus, if the aim is to win the world cup in 2022, he'll be 42. Not sure how he fits in to that plan.
The reason we've targeted 2022 is because we all know 2014 & 18 we have no hope. So given that we can't win, why play players that have no England future.
He'll help us qualify and probably score again on Tuesday, but after that unless all our strikers are fit and committed to the cause the future is very bleak.
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