Footballers are right tarts!!
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Evil.soup said:
Christmas being Christmas I am doing the family visiting thing and I am forced to watch football. I dont mind football as a game and the local small town games are pretty good with little tarting around but i have been watching Cardiff v Sunderlad for 40 mis and it is starting to drive me mad!! Footballers act like such tarts as soon as they are inside the box, falling over, screaming in pain, dancing around like its strictly time!
Why can they not simply stay on their feet, play the game and stop acting up trying to get some kind of advantage.
It isnt the west end gents, man up or give up the game!! You dont get this crap in rugby!!!!!
RANT OVER AND THANKFULLY THE FIRST HALF!!!!!
Actually I think it is starting to creep into Rugby a little, what with the massive shouts and theatrical falling to the floor when you've been "blocked" and the constant appealing for everything at the breakdown. Why can they not simply stay on their feet, play the game and stop acting up trying to get some kind of advantage.
It isnt the west end gents, man up or give up the game!! You dont get this crap in rugby!!!!!
RANT OVER AND THANKFULLY THE FIRST HALF!!!!!
Rugby is no saint either.
fatboy b said:
jcremonini said:
fatboy b said:
Evil.soup said:
...and cars are simply business.
You do realise that football has f
k all to do with sport these days don't you, and everything to do with business. Im not knocking the local game. As said above, its the grass roots game that is really entertaining football. Local small town teams seem to still have the tough blokes of old playing unlike the premiership girlies of today. If you watch a game of 30 or 40 years ago it is a different story. In an odd way, football has cault the PC blame culture the rest of the country is plagued with.
Evil.soup said:
fatboy b said:
jcremonini said:
fatboy b said:
Evil.soup said:
...and cars are simply business.
You do realise that football has f
k all to do with sport these days don't you, and everything to do with business. Im not knocking the local game. As said above, its the grass roots game that is really entertaining football. Local small town teams seem to still have the tough blokes of old playing unlike the premiership girlies of today. If you watch a game of 30 or 40 years ago it is a different story. In an odd way, football has cault the PC blame culture the rest of the country is plagued with.
As for it being the cause of the blame culture in this country, well, I haven't a clue what you are on about. The spread of US litigation law across the Atlantic is a much more realistic source of that.
jcremonini said:
It's not a stupid point to make though, is it ? You may think it should only be a competitive sport but it would not last 5 minutes if it was, would it ? And the fact it is a business means it DOES have relevance to the car industry, or any other business come to that.
As for it being the cause of the blame culture in this country, well, I haven't a clue what you are on about. The spread of US litigation law across the Atlantic is a much more realistic source of that.
No mate i didnt say its caused the blame culture, it seems to have become victim of it. The thinking behind the premiership players today is "I can pretend it happened and maybe benefit from it. Hell its not like it isnt easy to get awarded for a bit of acting and everyone does it anyway so why shouldnt I".As for it being the cause of the blame culture in this country, well, I haven't a clue what you are on about. The spread of US litigation law across the Atlantic is a much more realistic source of that.
Exactly like the whiplash claim culture.
I agree football is a business and a big one at that but what i am saying is i think it would be better without the big caah sums involved. I know that will never happen though as the demand is so strong.
Genuine question. Do you think the game would be better without the rewards for acting and restrictions on who can play for what team?
jcremonini said:
It's not a stupid point to make though, is it ? You may think it should only be a competitive sport but it would not last 5 minutes if it was, would it ? And the fact it is a business means it DOES have relevance to the car industry, or any other business come to that.
As for it being the cause of the blame culture in this country, well, I haven't a clue what you are on about. The spread of US litigation law across the Atlantic is a much more realistic source of that.
No mate i didnt say its caused the blame culture, it seems to have become victim of it. The thinking behind the premiership players today is "I can pretend it happened and maybe benefit from it. Hell its not like it isnt easy to get awarded for a bit of acting and everyone does it anyway so why shouldnt I".As for it being the cause of the blame culture in this country, well, I haven't a clue what you are on about. The spread of US litigation law across the Atlantic is a much more realistic source of that.
Exactly like the whiplash claim culture.
I agree football is a business and a big one at that but what i am saying is i think it would be better without the big caah sums involved. I know that will never happen though as the demand is so strong.
Genuine question. Do you think the game would be better without the rewards for acting and restrictions on who can play for what team?
Evil.soup said:
No mate i didnt say its caused the blame culture, it seems to have become victim of it. The thinking behind the premiership players today is "I can pretend it happened and maybe benefit from it. Hell its not like it isnt easy to get awarded for a bit of acting and everyone does it anyway so why shouldnt I".
Exactly like the whiplash claim culture.
I agree football is a business and a big one at that but what i am saying is i think it would be better without the big caah sums involved. I know that will never happen though as the demand is so strong.
Genuine question. Do you think the game would be better without the rewards for acting and restrictions on who can play for what team?
IMO there's not that much play acting involved.Exactly like the whiplash claim culture.
I agree football is a business and a big one at that but what i am saying is i think it would be better without the big caah sums involved. I know that will never happen though as the demand is so strong.
Genuine question. Do you think the game would be better without the rewards for acting and restrictions on who can play for what team?
What does happen is that an attacking player is fouled and then decides to bring it to the attention of the ref by going down.
If he doesn't and misses a goal scoring opportunity then it's been a waste. And next time the defender, assuming the ref won't protect a striker, will go in even harder.
Rolling around on the floor, clutching your face, doesn't seem to happen that much anymore and when. It does is invariably splashed all over the back pages. I've seen a few yellow cards handed out for play acting in my time and, if justified, is completely justified.
As for restrictions on teams I'm not sure how that would work or be fair?
50% local lads? Is that going to make a team from a small town ever be competitive against a team from a large city?
Evil.soup said:
jcremonini said:
It's not a stupid point to make though, is it ? You may think it should only be a competitive sport but it would not last 5 minutes if it was, would it ? And the fact it is a business means it DOES have relevance to the car industry, or any other business come to that.
As for it being the cause of the blame culture in this country, well, I haven't a clue what you are on about. The spread of US litigation law across the Atlantic is a much more realistic source of that.
No mate i didnt say its caused the blame culture, it seems to have become victim of it. The thinking behind the premiership players today is "I can pretend it happened and maybe benefit from it. Hell its not like it isnt easy to get awarded for a bit of acting and everyone does it anyway so why shouldnt I".As for it being the cause of the blame culture in this country, well, I haven't a clue what you are on about. The spread of US litigation law across the Atlantic is a much more realistic source of that.
Exactly like the whiplash claim culture.
I agree football is a business and a big one at that but what i am saying is i think it would be better without the big caah sums involved. I know that will never happen though as the demand is so strong.
Genuine question. Do you think the game would be better without the rewards for acting and restrictions on who can play for what team?
The downside is the impact this all has on the national team. Look at Spain and more than 60% of the players in that league are Spanish, even more Germans in the German league and Italians in the Italian league. If you have a small pool of English players playing in the PL then that means you have less choice for the national team. It's not like we have many players playing in foreign leagues either.
Yes, there are cheats and the overacting is annoying but that is easy to stamp out if only the rules were tougher to punish it ( like retrospective bans for diving ). But I doubt that will ever change...
jcremonini said:
The downside is the impact this all has on the national team. Look at Spain and more than 60% of the players in that league are Spanish, even more Germans in the German league and Italians in the Italian league. If you have a small pool of English players playing in the PL then that means you have less choice for the national team. It's not like we have many players playing in foreign leagues either...
And because the Premiership demands instant success then ready made players are brought in from overseas from countries that have time to develop players.TBH though I don't really care to much about the National side, if it was a choice between City winning the league and England winning the World Cup then it'd be City every time.
Luckily one is far more likely than the other
fttm said:
Kissball , what a bunch of fking drama queens , one second writhing on the floor in agony with a chipped fingernail .... don't get me started .
You should go and tell some of the old school (and possibly, maybe, a current footballer - ?) that they're queens.king drama queens , one second writhing on the floor in agony with a chipped fingernail .... don't get me started .While not quite some rugby players (of either persuasion), you should go and tell some old pros like Billy Whitehurst and Mick Harford that they ought to like a nice dress. Also, be productive by giving us a review of just how bad hospital food is.
Lesson 2 - Some rugby bloke called Paul Wood is as gay as a whale - he only has one swinger!
stuartmmcfc said:
Have you ever watched "grass roots" football??
I watched a premiership game this afternoon and I know which is more entertaining.
Forget 'grass roots', I go to watch Sheffield United play and before this season the most skill on display was which of our defenders could kick it furthest. The premiership is mile more entertaining than any other sport for me apart from maybe boxing.I watched a premiership game this afternoon and I know which is more entertaining.
goldblum said:
I didn't say it did. My point was rather that football is not the most popular sport. It is the most watched sport.
So if being the most watched doesn't make it the most popular, wtf does? The most purchased car of a certain class this year is described as the most popular.
Football is clearly the most popular sport in the UK. Its one of the first things people think of when they thing of England. When I was in the US recently, I was talking to a guy and mention where I was from, his reply: 'ah, England. The queen and Manchester united'
Just because more people take a dip in their local pool than go out on a Sunday to play football does not mean football isn't the number 1 game in this country. The whole point from the OP is that he is sick of it being assumed he likes football, why, because most people do, because its the most popular game
obob said:
stuartmmcfc said:
Have you ever watched "grass roots" football??
I watched a premiership game this afternoon and I know which is more entertaining.
Forget 'grass roots', I go to watch Sheffield United play and before this season the most skill on display was which of our defenders could kick it furthest. The premiership is mile more entertaining than any other sport for me apart from maybe boxing.I watched a premiership game this afternoon and I know which is more entertaining.
This is why I've been such a staunch defender of football in this thread. I've been a season ticket holder at the worlds oldest professional ground for 24 years. Its in my blood. I see my extended family there and I get to remember my grandparents every time I visit (both buried at BL).
For those on here banging on about footballers and play acting, the lower leagues are not pretty, but its a million miles from the likes of Suarez biting other players and its about so much more than just football. Its a passion and a family event for most of us
scotty_d said:
"There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games."
Ernest Hemingway
Just because he liked to take afternoon tea on Paris's Left Back doesn't make him clever, or right: Ernest Hemingway
in my humble opinion none are a sport:
Bullfighting : Well one man's hobby is another man's mental illness. I think there are better ways of dying (for both participants)
Motor racing : Is mostly a test of engineering prowess. I like most motorsport.
Mountaineering : Are we talking Traditional, Sport, bouldering or Indoor ? I like my climbing, but refer to it as vertical yoga
Evil.soup said:
No mate i didnt say its caused the blame culture, it seems to have become victim of it. The thinking behind the premiership players today is "I can pretend it happened and maybe benefit from it. Hell its not like it isnt easy to get awarded for a bit of acting and everyone does it anyway so why shouldnt I".
Exactly like the whiplash claim culture.
I agree football is a business and a big one at that but what i am saying is i think it would be better without the big caah sums involved. I know that will never happen though as the demand is so strong.
Genuine question. Do you think the game would be better without the rewards for acting and restrictions on who can play for what team?
Thought process the wrong way round I think. Rather than judge the players on observations of behaviour, better to wonder why they display that behaviour in the first place.Exactly like the whiplash claim culture.
I agree football is a business and a big one at that but what i am saying is i think it would be better without the big caah sums involved. I know that will never happen though as the demand is so strong.
Genuine question. Do you think the game would be better without the rewards for acting and restrictions on who can play for what team?
Now, I'm sure some wheezy, resentful poster who habitually got picked last at school & would rather have been spending quality time with his Dungeons & Dragons will be along presently to contend that it's because the players are a bunch of overpaid nancy boys. I look forward to this original line of argument.
Instead, I would suggest that you have three reasons. The players are under scrutiny as never before with multiple cameras, millions of people watching & acres of analysis in the media. It becomes more important to win.
Secondly, the stakes are enormous as compared with just thirty years ago. So much money has poured into the game that the consequences of relegation are measured in the millions & are life threatening to clubs. Just look at Leeds or Wolves for recent examples of catastrophic failure.
However, most relevantly are the rules. You cannot blame players for poncing around like hot house flowers when the laws of the game have been tightened to the extent that the contact side of the game is a shadow of what it was a generation ago. When you consider the money & pressure to win, players are going to use any situation they can to their advantage & that includes diving, writhing around on the floor & whatever comes to mind. Referees now habitually stop the game for what most of us fans would recognise as minor to non existent infringements several times a half.
The players are by & large elite level athletes in the premier league, they are fast, strong & tough. You're looking at the wrong suspect, blaming the players but I expect this will never stem the flow of people queuing up with hair splitting assessments, homosexual references & all the rest of the never before seen, brilliantly thought out brickbats thrown at football on a depressingly regular basis.
eltax91 said:
See you at brahmall lane today then.
This is why I've been such a staunch defender of football in this thread. I've been a season ticket holder at the worlds oldest professional ground for 24 years. Its in my blood. I see my extended family there and I get to remember my grandparents every time I visit (both buried at BL)
Woo another Blade, do you think we have enough to start an official blades thread?!?!This is why I've been such a staunch defender of football in this thread. I've been a season ticket holder at the worlds oldest professional ground for 24 years. Its in my blood. I see my extended family there and I get to remember my grandparents every time I visit (both buried at BL)
Oh and Ernest Hemingway seems like a boring old fart.
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