How Would You Feel About A Gay Player In The Dressing Room?
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im said:
Fair point, well made.
However, using that logic I take I can just stroll into the womens locker room tonight then?
"If you don't like it hun, pull your knickers up and get changed at home".
No, because the situations aren't analogous. By social conventions (and signs on the doors!) men aren't expected to be in women's changing rooms. They are expected to be in the men's changing room.However, using that logic I take I can just stroll into the womens locker room tonight then?
"If you don't like it hun, pull your knickers up and get changed at home".
HOGEPH said:
Well if he fancied you, at least you'd have somewhere to hang your towel.
Do you mean on his erection? That wouldn't be practical as most towels are bigger than the distance from a mans genitals to the floor hence the towel would reach to the floor and become dirty. THis is completely unnecessary as most changing rooms have towel hooks at a much more convenient height
e21Mark said:
So ((in future) would people have to declare their sexuality in order to determine which changing room they use? (for fear of someone using said changing room, perceiving themselves as being found sexually attractive)
Yes, thats the upshot of it. With more and more players feeling able to declare their homosexuality then yes I suppose gay players would have to declare themselves in order to share the changing room with a hetero guy who otherwise wouldn't want to do so. From the POV of the the player who doesn't want to share a shower with a gay guy I suppose whats happening now is deceitful.Again I return to the analogy of how would a woman feel to be told she'd just showered in front of a 'hidden' male.
Whether the gay guy fancies you or not is completely and utterly irrelevent to this discussion. This is about the right of hetero males to object on the same basis that females object to men.
DanL said:
im said:
Fair point, well made.
However, using that logic I take I can just stroll into the womens locker room tonight then?
"If you don't like it hun, pull your knickers up and get changed at home".
No, because the situations aren't analogous. By social conventions (and signs on the doors!) men aren't expected to be in women's changing rooms. They are expected to be in the men's changing room.However, using that logic I take I can just stroll into the womens locker room tonight then?
"If you don't like it hun, pull your knickers up and get changed at home".
Thankfully thats no longer the case. There has been a titanic shift in the acceptability of declaring your homo-sexuality in public. Christ, even in my lifetime 'gay-bashing' was a thing.
im said:
Yes, thats the upshot of it. With more and more players feeling able to declare their homosexuality then yes I suppose gay players would have to declare themselves in order to share the changing room with a hetero guy who otherwise wouldn't want to do so. From the POV of the the player who doesn't want to share a shower with a gay guy I suppose whats happening now is deceitful.
Again I return to the analogy of how would a woman feel to be told she'd just showered in front of a 'hidden' male.
Whether the gay guy fancies you or not is completely and utterly irrelevent to this discussion. This is about the right of hetero males to object on the same basis that females object to men.
Why is it deceitful if (as you claim) any sexual attraction is irrelevant to the discussion? This is not about gay people being a problem in the dressing room, this is about the insecurities of a bloke who doesn't want to be seen naked by a gay man that he knows about.Again I return to the analogy of how would a woman feel to be told she'd just showered in front of a 'hidden' male.
Whether the gay guy fancies you or not is completely and utterly irrelevent to this discussion. This is about the right of hetero males to object on the same basis that females object to men.
You keep going because you hope someone agrees with you, but 150 odd posts in and it hasn't happened.
Bill said:
Why is it deceitful if (as you claim) any sexual attraction is irrelevant to the discussion? This is not about gay people being a problem in the dressing room, this is about the insecurities of a bloke who doesn't want to be seen naked by a gay man that he knows about.
You keep going because you hope someone agrees with you, but 150 odd posts in and it hasn't happened.
Er 3 points...You keep going because you hope someone agrees with you, but 150 odd posts in and it hasn't happened.
1. I keep going in response to posts with questions.
2. At what point did I ask for 'agreement' - I asked for a coherent logical answer to the conundrum...the opening post explicitly tells you I am undecided on this.
3. If I did have a viewpoint then you're not very observant are you...just 1 page back...
2seas said:
Well I for one think this is a pretty interesting topic. If a straight guy is uncomfortable sharing a changing room with a gay guy then I can't form an argument as to why this would be 'wrong'. Which in turn implies it would be 'right' to offer the straight guy the option of being able to change/shower in private. As has been pointed out the justification is the same as a woman objecting to sharing a changing room with a man.
You're not very good at this forums stuff are you bill. 
2seas said:
Well I for one think this is a pretty interesting topic. If a straight guy is uncomfortable sharing a changing room with a gay guy then I can't form an argument as to why this would be 'wrong'. Which in turn implies it would be 'right' to offer the straight guy the option of being able to change/shower in private. As has been pointed out the justification is the same as a woman objecting to sharing a changing room with a man.
Yep, that's the point my mate was making and even I fell into the 'man up' trap initially.2seas said:
For all the people saying 'it doesn't bother me'. Ask yourself this: if nudity were legal and your mates suddenly decided to strip you naked and stick you in the middle of London are you sure you would feel completely comfortable in your nakedness? I'm guessing the answer is no. So, to some degree you are self conscious about being naked and if that scenario were to present itself you would feel violated as you have a right to privacy and that choice was removed form you...
That second paragraph is slightly tangential I admit, but there is relevance. The point is perhaps the answer is offering people a choice. So in a male only changing room simply having a few cubicles now gives any straight person uncomfortable changing in front of gay people a choice (to use the cubicle if they want privacy).
The requirement for individual cubicles seems the only answer.That second paragraph is slightly tangential I admit, but there is relevance. The point is perhaps the answer is offering people a choice. So in a male only changing room simply having a few cubicles now gives any straight person uncomfortable changing in front of gay people a choice (to use the cubicle if they want privacy).
Sorry, you said this since 2seas replied so I assumed you disagreed.
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im said:
Yes, thats the upshot of it. With more and more players feeling able to declare their homosexuality then yes I suppose gay players would have to declare themselves in order to share the changing room with a hetero guy who otherwise wouldn't want to do so. From the POV of the the player who doesn't want to share a shower with a gay guy I suppose whats happening now is deceitful.
Again I return to the analogy of how would a woman feel to be told she'd just showered in front of a 'hidden' male.
Whether the gay guy fancies you or not is completely and utterly irrelevent to this discussion. This is about the right of hetero males to object on the same basis that females object to men.
Anyone worried about changing infront of a gay man can change elsewhere.Again I return to the analogy of how would a woman feel to be told she'd just showered in front of a 'hidden' male.
Whether the gay guy fancies you or not is completely and utterly irrelevent to this discussion. This is about the right of hetero males to object on the same basis that females object to men.
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Bill said:
Anyone worried about changing infront of a gay man can change elsewhere.
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Thats not really an answer to the logical conundrum of the rights of the hetero v the rights of the gay man. It's a 'like it or lump it' personal response.[/thread]
Interestingly a quick google throws up similar discussions:
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=200...
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=201012...
Bill said:
So you say, I disagree.
Your man would be perfectly happy showering with ten men if he believes none are gay, so what changes when one comes out?
I don't know but I'm guessing perhaps intimidated, embarrassed, affronted...whatever women feel when made to shower with a strange man.Your man would be perfectly happy showering with ten men if he believes none are gay, so what changes when one comes out?
Do you think this is an impossible response from a male?im said:
Bill said:
So you say, I disagree.
Your man would be perfectly happy showering with ten men if he believes none are gay, so what changes when one comes out?
I don't know but I'm guessing perhaps intimidated, embarrassed, affronted...whatever women feel when made to shower with a strange man.Your man would be perfectly happy showering with ten men if he believes none are gay, so what changes when one comes out?
Do you think this is an impossible response from a male?So I am in a football team of 11 men, we all shower together, drink together and have banter together
Then one day, amongst a group of friends 'Smithy' feels comfortable and confident enough to explain that he is gay and is currently dating a guy called Dave whom we don't know
At that point someone would all of a sudden feel awkward about doing any of the activities previously mentioned?
im said:
Hugo a Gogo said:
just out of interest; how would you feel about a gay bloke sharing a flat with you, or even sitting next to you on the bus?
Me?There's a gay guy sitting not 6 feet away from me every day. We're great mates.
Why?
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