How Would You Feel About A Gay Player In The Dressing Room?
Discussion
im said:
Well...for starters the religious are going to have a serious problem I suspect...as will the homophobic...as will a few ordinary hetero blokes. Yes the majority won't but I'm not sure the majority have an argument.
Because some don't care about sharing a shower with a gay guy doesn't mean that everybody else has to accept that.
And I can't see a logical case for insisting that straight guys must share a changing room with gay guys.
I suspect that a court case will follow to sort this at some point in the future.
On the one hand you have gay rights and on the other you have the right to privacy from someone who potentially could be getting (discreetly) excited by sharing your shower.
BTW this thread is really just a thought exercise in trying to see whose rights will take precedence. I don't share showers with blokes anymore as my playing days are over so its not an actual issue for me.
What difference does it make, Really? Unless you want to believe the fantasy that because no footballers are 'out' none are gay. So if you accept that a number of players at each club are likely to be gay, would you not also accept that at the moment they don't seem to be forcing themselves on any of their straight colleagues, so why would you want to force them to change elsewhere? What good comes of it? Because some don't care about sharing a shower with a gay guy doesn't mean that everybody else has to accept that.
And I can't see a logical case for insisting that straight guys must share a changing room with gay guys.
I suspect that a court case will follow to sort this at some point in the future.
On the one hand you have gay rights and on the other you have the right to privacy from someone who potentially could be getting (discreetly) excited by sharing your shower.
BTW this thread is really just a thought exercise in trying to see whose rights will take precedence. I don't share showers with blokes anymore as my playing days are over so its not an actual issue for me.
As for anybody with a religious argument: their beliefs are voluntary whereas a persons sexual orientation isn't. What should take precedence.....?
This really isn't something worth arguing over.
So... if you've been sharing a changing room with a player, who subsequently says he is gay will you ask him to change elsewhere in case now he's 'out' he might arse-rape you in the showers?
And the reason someone mentioned colour/creed etc was because you said some people are bigots or have religious views which means you should respect the fact they object. He was pointing out some object to these other things but you wouldn't tolerate that would you? Or would you?
And the reason someone mentioned colour/creed etc was because you said some people are bigots or have religious views which means you should respect the fact they object. He was pointing out some object to these other things but you wouldn't tolerate that would you? Or would you?
Jeez, are you lot deliberately missing the OP's point?
Simple question: Why do men and women have separate changing rooms?
OP's follow on question: Does the answer to the above question mean gay and straight people should have separate changing rooms?
Unless I'm the one completely mis-reading this (which, given the OP's agreement to my post, I'm not) this is a simple enough thought exercise which it was hoped would prompt some debate. It's not an excuse for you to read anything else into the question and reply with a pre-programmed answer to a question that wasn't asked.
Simple question: Why do men and women have separate changing rooms?
OP's follow on question: Does the answer to the above question mean gay and straight people should have separate changing rooms?
Unless I'm the one completely mis-reading this (which, given the OP's agreement to my post, I'm not) this is a simple enough thought exercise which it was hoped would prompt some debate. It's not an excuse for you to read anything else into the question and reply with a pre-programmed answer to a question that wasn't asked.
robsa said:
So... if you've been sharing a changing room with a player, who subsequently says he is gay will you ask him to change elsewhere in case now he's 'out' he might arse-rape you in the showers?
And the reason someone mentioned colour/creed etc was because you said some people are bigots or have religious views which means you should respect the fact they object. He was pointing out some object to these other things but you wouldn't tolerate that would you? Or would you?
Why are you asking me? And the reason someone mentioned colour/creed etc was because you said some people are bigots or have religious views which means you should respect the fact they object. He was pointing out some object to these other things but you wouldn't tolerate that would you? Or would you?
Do you understand the point of this thread was for a short debate so that I could garner some opinions? Actually, don't answer that fella, I already know the answer to that.
I threw it out there for some opinions...
"Rape"
thats the 2nd time somebody has mentioned that. Starting to think "rape" is jumping into some peoples heads a bit to quickly.I love PH.
wiggy001 said:
Jeez, are you lot deliberately missing the OP's point?
Simple question: Why do men and women have separate changing rooms?
OP's follow on question: Does the answer to the above question mean gay and straight people should have separate changing rooms?
Unless I'm the one completely mis-reading this (which, given the OP's agreement to my post, I'm not) this is a simple enough thought exercise which it was hoped would prompt some debate. It's not an excuse for you to read anything else into the question and reply with a pre-programmed answer to a question that wasn't asked.
I salute you Wiggy. You are the only one who's not looking for a subtext that doesn't exist or to have a fight over a question that hasn't been asked.Simple question: Why do men and women have separate changing rooms?
OP's follow on question: Does the answer to the above question mean gay and straight people should have separate changing rooms?
Unless I'm the one completely mis-reading this (which, given the OP's agreement to my post, I'm not) this is a simple enough thought exercise which it was hoped would prompt some debate. It's not an excuse for you to read anything else into the question and reply with a pre-programmed answer to a question that wasn't asked.
I'll try and restate it...
Should straight guys have the same right to reject sharing a shower with a gay guy as a woman has to reject sharing a shower with a man. If not, why not? Whats the argument against it that doesn't eqully apply in both cases?
wiggy001 said:
You should have left it at:
Yes, thats equally as good fella.im said:
Men do not share a dressing/changing room with Women because of the (correctly) perceived sexual interest the male would have in watching/seeing the Women naked or undressing.
So, is not the same true for Gay players in the Male changing rooms?
So, is not the same true for Gay players in the Male changing rooms?
Glenred said:
Anyone else think im's just testing the water before the "Big Reveal"
This was my thought. Maybe by im's logic after the reveal he should have his own private thread just in case!! The Tottenham Hotspur homosexuals only thread.
Incidentally why can't man/ woman just exert some self control. Sorted.
im said:
e21Mark said:
I don't see why and reasonable bloke, who's secure with his own sexuality, would have a problem?
So, what about a woman who's equally as secure with her own sexuality, presumably you think she shouldn't have a problem either?If you're in a changing room, with eleventy three blokes getting showered and dressed, how would you even know what their sexual preference was?
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