The Official Manchester United Thread [Vol 4]
Discussion
Wombat3 said:
DanielSan said:
I'm going to go with a slightly different direction, we have the 4th best defence in the league this season, I honestly don't believe that the defence is the issue. I think it's the midfield, there's little to no decent service being supplied to the strikers. No service is always going to mean sod all goals.
At very least the basic Man U way used to be a simple 'we'll score more than you' now they aren't scoring goals even when they are conceding. Cut RVP loose, yet another injury and age are going to see him out now imo, Falcao hasn't performed and doesn't look likely to in English football, play Rooney and Wilson up front and get them worming towards a good partnership. Focus on a 442 formation with Di Maria, Young, Fellaini/Blind and Herrera. And a Shaw, Rojo, Jones/McNairand Valencia back line.
Sorry, but the defence is gash - you only have to look at the number of times its been carved open and how easily it has been done. Without DDG behind it the goals against tally would be much higher than it is.At very least the basic Man U way used to be a simple 'we'll score more than you' now they aren't scoring goals even when they are conceding. Cut RVP loose, yet another injury and age are going to see him out now imo, Falcao hasn't performed and doesn't look likely to in English football, play Rooney and Wilson up front and get them worming towards a good partnership. Focus on a 442 formation with Di Maria, Young, Fellaini/Blind and Herrera. And a Shaw, Rojo, Jones/McNairand Valencia back line.
franki68 said:
Those old enough to remember the first four years under fergy ,will know ..it takes time .
Throwing fortunes at bringing in quite a lot of new players ,several of who don't speak English was never going to result in instant succes.
Call me old fashioned but I think you have to give any manager at any club 2-3 years to implement their systems and to bring in the players they want .as I said those who went when fergy first took over will know what I mean.
I don't think Fergie started with quite the same array of talent that LVG has at his disposalThrowing fortunes at bringing in quite a lot of new players ,several of who don't speak English was never going to result in instant succes.
Call me old fashioned but I think you have to give any manager at any club 2-3 years to implement their systems and to bring in the players they want .as I said those who went when fergy first took over will know what I mean.
Alpinestars said:
Wombat3 said:
I don't think Fergie started with quite the same array of talent that LVG has at his disposal
He didnt, but it's all relative and Fergie didn't follow the legend of Fergie either. I agree with Frankie, that we have to give him time. Wombat3 said:
On the one hand of course he has to be given time & its neither practical nor sensible to think about ditching him yet anyway , but on the other hand the direction of travel(while admittedly not yet completely clear) is not, I think , what many are hoping for. How is it that a collection of supposedly world class players are seemingly still so ineffective week in, week out?
I agree with this as well and that's why I think he needs to settle on a system and his best 11 PDQ. I agree that managers need a couple of years to be at their most effective, but I think that within the first season you should be able to see what the manager is trying to accomplish.
At Spurs you can clearly see the style of play that Poch wants and is then fitting in the best available talent to try and accomplish this.
With Utd it just all seems a bit disjointed.
At Spurs you can clearly see the style of play that Poch wants and is then fitting in the best available talent to try and accomplish this.
With Utd it just all seems a bit disjointed.
We're not going to make the Champions League next season are we...Fergy inherited a talented team , robson , McGrath , strachan , he dismantled it and brought in. Load of s
t , which took him 4 years to turn around .
There are too many players who are either past it like rvp, or were never good enough for united..jones smalling Evans and the turgid dogs mess that is Valencia , he was a tremendous player until he had his leg snapped , he's been utterly woeful since
For all the talk of 150m spent , it's just a drop in recovering from fergy's terrible transfer activity the last 7 years.
Lost world class players who were replaced with championship standard players , with a few exceptions
t , which took him 4 years to turn around .There are too many players who are either past it like rvp, or were never good enough for united..jones smalling Evans and the turgid dogs mess that is Valencia , he was a tremendous player until he had his leg snapped , he's been utterly woeful since
For all the talk of 150m spent , it's just a drop in recovering from fergy's terrible transfer activity the last 7 years.
Lost world class players who were replaced with championship standard players , with a few exceptions
The biggest problem you face is that no CL makes it much harder to bring in new top class players.
If you miss out on top 4 then I think LvG will go? You're then starting again with a new manager who will want more money.
It'll be fascinating to see what happens if you miss out on top 4 tbh.
If you miss out on top 4 then I think LvG will go? You're then starting again with a new manager who will want more money.
It'll be fascinating to see what happens if you miss out on top 4 tbh.
Wombat3 said:
On the one hand of course he has to be given time & its neither practical nor sensible to think about ditching him yet anyway , but on the other hand the direction of travel(while admittedly not yet completely clear) is not, I think , what many are hoping for. How is it that a collection of supposedly world class players are seemingly still so ineffective week in, week out?
I think the biggest concern (if I was a Utd fan) is his 100% confidence/arrogance/pig-headedness that his way is correct and he is right. I don't mind managers making mistakes if they realise and correct quickly. I fear LVG will stick to his plan regardless of whether a) fans hate it, or b) ot doesn't work with the players you haveDuncanM said:
The biggest problem you face is that no CL makes it much harder to bring in new top class players.
If you miss out on top 4 then I think LvG will go? You're then starting again with a new manager who will want more money.
It'll be fascinating to see what happens if you miss out on top 4 tbh.
To be fair they said that last year, I do agree another year out may make it harderIf you miss out on top 4 then I think LvG will go? You're then starting again with a new manager who will want more money.
It'll be fascinating to see what happens if you miss out on top 4 tbh.
I would hope not, I think the job is bigger than people thought and we would just be back to square 1 again, look at your team, 2 months ago people were questioning Bodge, now he has you playing again, it does take time
It's certainly going to be squeaky bum time if it does happen
Do people think if LVG had followed Fergie whether he would still be in a job now?
As personally I think the team looked as if it was playing better under Moyes than under LVG even if on paper they had been a very slight improvement thanks to a nigh on £200m spend.
On paper you should be fighting for the league with the amount you have spent and the players in the squad to be honest despite a slightly ropey defence. Southampton must be laughing getting £30m for Luke Shaw he looks distinctly average so far and when you consider Blind was under £14m it shows how much you overpaid...
As personally I think the team looked as if it was playing better under Moyes than under LVG even if on paper they had been a very slight improvement thanks to a nigh on £200m spend.
On paper you should be fighting for the league with the amount you have spent and the players in the squad to be honest despite a slightly ropey defence. Southampton must be laughing getting £30m for Luke Shaw he looks distinctly average so far and when you consider Blind was under £14m it shows how much you overpaid...
Black can man said:
DuncanM said:
The biggest problem you face is that no CL makes it much harder to bring in new top class players.
Absolute rubbish, the pound is mightier than the gongs .Utd will not struggle to buy top players if they are prepared pay the wages.
CL does matter, last year was the first time Man U had missed out but if it starts to be a regular occurrence then I think it will make it harder to get players in.
Also, will the owners continue to pay out big money if it doesn't work? It is all very interesting.
Black can man said:
Absolute rubbish, the pound is mightier than the gongs .
Utd will not struggle to buy top players if they are prepared pay the wages.
Think you could finish outside the top 4 for a couple more years and not struggle to bring players in especially if you are willing to shell out £250k+ a week for injury prone players... Utd will not struggle to buy top players if they are prepared pay the wages.
You are still one of the biggest clubs in the world despite playing a bit s
t recently and think it would take a run of 3/4 years bad form before people started getting out off to be honest imo. greggy50 said:
Black can man said:
Absolute rubbish, the pound is mightier than the gongs .
Utd will not struggle to buy top players if they are prepared pay the wages.
Think you could finish outside the top 4 for a couple more years and not struggle to bring players in especially if you are willing to shell out £250k+ a week for injury prone players... Utd will not struggle to buy top players if they are prepared pay the wages.
You are still one of the biggest clubs in the world despite playing a bit s
t recently and think it would take a run of 3/4 years bad form before people started getting out off to be honest imo. Some people just seem to think professional footballers are after the glory only.
DuncanM said:
Your opinion mate, which was already pointed out in a far politer manner by KS above.
CL does matter, last year was the first time Man U had missed out but if it starts to be a regular occurrence then I think it will make it harder to get players in.
Also, will the owners continue to pay out big money if it doesn't work? It is all very interesting.
Politer manner CL does matter, last year was the first time Man U had missed out but if it starts to be a regular occurrence then I think it will make it harder to get players in.
Also, will the owners continue to pay out big money if it doesn't work? It is all very interesting.
Oh sorry Duncan , i'd wish to say that i think your opinion about CL football regarding Manchester united is pure poppycock & bunkum.
Hope you have a wonderful day sir.
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