The Official Manchester United Thread [Vol 4]
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ORD said:
anniesdad said:
Great win for United, I put my whole betting account on them to win and they didn't let me down. 
Mata and Herrera have developed a really good understanding of each other's game, if we can couple that with an overlapping right footed right back that can find a man in the box that's the right side sorted. Carrick has really steadied the ship, I take my hat off to him.
Shocked at how disjointed City appeared last night, Aguero was playing at DM at times with 5-6 City players in front of him.
It will certainly make for an interesting game on Sunday, the games can't come quick enough for me at the moment. Whilst our style of play isn't perhaps the most exciting we've seen over the years we are clearly coming to terms with the instructions being handed down by LVG.
Agreed.Mata and Herrera have developed a really good understanding of each other's game, if we can couple that with an overlapping right footed right back that can find a man in the box that's the right side sorted. Carrick has really steadied the ship, I take my hat off to him.
Shocked at how disjointed City appeared last night, Aguero was playing at DM at times with 5-6 City players in front of him.
It will certainly make for an interesting game on Sunday, the games can't come quick enough for me at the moment. Whilst our style of play isn't perhaps the most exciting we've seen over the years we are clearly coming to terms with the instructions being handed down by LVG.
What about playing Young at right back? He's pretty sound defensively, and he is our best crosser at the moment. One advantage of playing him on the right would be that he would be crossing towards Fellaini's natural position in the box and over Mata (who aint gonna win no headers, bless him).
Then again, he has been playing well out on the left. He is a huge plus for me this season. Until recently, I thought he was simply dreadful, but LvG seems to have managed to get the absolute best from him.
Valencia is doing a nice solid job at the moment; no need to change a thing.
LoonR1 said:
franki68 said:
some of our goals recently have been beautiful to watch,the overall quality of the peformances recently has been excellent ,the best since 2009/10 easily.The last 3 season its been painful to watch united ,but now I am starting to look forward to games again.
Cometsly agree. It's very pleasing one the eye and effective too. we will still draw and lose games that we should win and even vice versa and I'm happy with that. That's the United I fell in love with in the 70s!Less the individual successes and failures from last season but more they win lose and draw as a team.
ORD said:
Agreed.
What about playing Young at right back? He's pretty sound defensively, and he is our best crosser at the moment. One advantage of playing him on the right would be that he would be crossing towards Fellaini's natural position in the box and over Mata (who aint gonna win no headers, bless him).
Then again, he has been playing well out on the left. He is a huge plus for me this season. Until recently, I thought he was simply dreadful, but LvG seems to have managed to get the absolute best from him.
Young saw loads of the ball on Saturday but was a bit wayward with his crossing. I think we have the man already in the squad, Rafael. RB is his position but whilst Valencia is doing an OK job, but more importantly the team are gelling and getting results LVG won't change it and why should he, we only have the Prem. to worry about so the same starting 11 can easily manage a game a week. What about playing Young at right back? He's pretty sound defensively, and he is our best crosser at the moment. One advantage of playing him on the right would be that he would be crossing towards Fellaini's natural position in the box and over Mata (who aint gonna win no headers, bless him).
Then again, he has been playing well out on the left. He is a huge plus for me this season. Until recently, I thought he was simply dreadful, but LvG seems to have managed to get the absolute best from him.
LVG IMO likes to have a right and left footer on each flank, so you have both the in-swinging and out-swinging cross options. You can see with the overlapping runs by the fullbacks (Blind and Valencia) on Saturday that he needs a man that can cross from the byline, matched with a wide diamond man with the opposite foot (Mata on the right, Young on the left) who can deliver an in-swinger. Sometimes it didn't come off for us but it's a simple tactic, that I think can work well as defenders need to anticipate delivery and movement. The key is getting the ball in to a front post striker though (Rooney/Falcao) or back post man (Fellaini) but if it doesn't come off there's always the possibility that the #10 (Herrera) can pick up the ball. He's showing that he can score goals from that position which I'm sure LVG is delighted about.
I think if you took Young off the left and put him on at rightback, you'd lose out on the left as most of our crossers are stronger with their left foot, Mata, Di Maria, Januzaj, Blind, Shaw. Rooney could do it, but he's too important up top at the minute. I also don't believe that Young is quite as good defensively as Valencia.
I do think we will see the likes of Di Maria playing against the teams expected to attack us for his counter-attacking options as opposed to those set up likely to defend deep in numbers as Mata is a better option here for his better touch and understanding with Herrera.
One things for sure is that there is competition for places at United and that's a great thing to have. I believe Falcao and ADM will benefit in the long run from a spell out of the team as it will prove to them that you simply have to deliver to get a game at Man U.
Edited by anniesdad on Tuesday 7th April 14:33
As an aside again from Saturday when we have possession, you can see that our #9 is often quite isolated and doesn't see too much of the ball. Rooney scored a wonderful goal through skill, confidence and self-belief when it mattered. LVG's job next year will be to get 4 strikers at that level of confidence. That's been tough this year as we've been out of the ECL/Europa league, knocked out of the Capital One cup in the first round and now knocked out of the FA Cup so there's not been many games for the players to play in.
Fingers crossed next year we'll have a good run in them all, except for the Europa league.
Fingers crossed next year we'll have a good run in them all, except for the Europa league.
anniesdad said:
One things for sure is that there is competition for places at United and that's a great thing to have. I believe Falcao and ADM will benefit in the long run from a spell out of the team as it will prove to them that you simply have to deliver to get a game at Man U.
Time's up for Falcao I'm afraid unless he starts against City & bangs in a hatrick. We only have 7 games left.
I think they/we love the fact that we've got a world class striker on our books, who's clearly trying, wants to do well, is a total professional, but it isn't quite coming off for him. I put this down to the system more than anything, but what a striker needs who's a bit lacking in confidence is game time. They ALL go through these patches but I believe he will come good.
Absolutely bonkers! He has had A LOT of games and has not played well for 30 minutes, let alone a whole game.
You are all ignoring what you see and trying to hang onto hype and hope.
I understand that strikers have dips and can struggle for form, but he is clearly not the player that he once was. We all remember Fernando Torres, and he looks to have gone the same way. He is slow and cannot finish.
You are all ignoring what you see and trying to hang onto hype and hope.
I understand that strikers have dips and can struggle for form, but he is clearly not the player that he once was. We all remember Fernando Torres, and he looks to have gone the same way. He is slow and cannot finish.
anniesdad said:
I think they/we love the fact that we've got a world class striker on our books, who's clearly trying, wants to do well, is a total professional, but it isn't quite coming off for him.
Do supporters actually think like this though? Especially in the case of strikers, it's black or white; you are either scoring or not (unless it's Adebayor, where everyone has his number from day one). Wanting to do well and trying are default, surely? Anything less and your days are numbered.ORD said:
Absolutely bonkers! He has had A LOT of games and has not played well for 30 minutes, let alone a whole game.
You are all ignoring what you see and trying to hang onto hype and hope.
I understand that strikers have dips and can struggle for form, but he is clearly not the player that he once was. We all remember Fernando Torres, and he looks to have gone the same way. He is slow and cannot finish.
James Wilson hasn't set the world alight either, nor has RVP this season.You are all ignoring what you see and trying to hang onto hype and hope.
I understand that strikers have dips and can struggle for form, but he is clearly not the player that he once was. We all remember Fernando Torres, and he looks to have gone the same way. He is slow and cannot finish.
So what are we to do, let the 3 of them go? Leave us with one striker, Rooney? Replace 3 strikers with another 3 or maybe, just maybe, work with them all and get them fitting in to the system or work a system to suit them?
I refuse to believe that Falcao has lost the art of finishing.
selym said:
anniesdad said:
I think they/we love the fact that we've got a world class striker on our books, who's clearly trying, wants to do well, is a total professional, but it isn't quite coming off for him.
Do supporters actually think like this though? Especially in the case of strikers, it's black or white; you are either scoring or not (unless it's Adebayor, where everyone has his number from day one). Wanting to do well and trying are default, surely? Anything less and your days are numbered.He'd be better up front on his own I think as he was for previous clubs, but I'd not drop Rooney for him, so he's more than likely done here anyway. Especially for the price Monaco would want.
anniesdad said:
James Wilson hasn't set the world alight either, nor has RVP this season.
So what are we to do, let the 3 of them go? Leave us with one striker, Rooney? Replace 3 strikers with another 3 or maybe, just maybe, work with them all and get them fitting in to the system or work a system to suit them?
I refuse to believe that Falcao has lost the art of finishing.
Torres went from world class to supermarket class - how long would you stick with him for?So what are we to do, let the 3 of them go? Leave us with one striker, Rooney? Replace 3 strikers with another 3 or maybe, just maybe, work with them all and get them fitting in to the system or work a system to suit them?
I refuse to believe that Falcao has lost the art of finishing.
selym said:
anniesdad said:
I think they/we love the fact that we've got a world class striker on our books, who's clearly trying, wants to do well, is a total professional, but it isn't quite coming off for him.
Do supporters actually think like this though? Especially in the case of strikers, it's black or white; you are either scoring or not (unless it's Adebayor, where everyone has his number from day one). Wanting to do well and trying are default, surely? Anything less and your days are numbered.Forlan was a fan favourite, tried his heart out but it didn't work out in front of goal. He came good and became the joint leading scorer in the 2010 world cup.
Falcao is already his countries top scorer of all time and has scored wherever he's played. My personal belief is that we're still yet to see what he's capable of but he will come good...again.
anniesdad said:
James Wilson hasn't set the world alight either, nor has RVP this season.
So what are we to do, let the 3 of them go? Leave us with one striker, Rooney? Replace 3 strikers with another 3 or maybe, just maybe, work with them all and get them fitting in to the system or work a system to suit them?
I refuse to believe that Falcao has lost the art of finishing.
Wilson is a kid. And he has, in fact, looked pretty tidy when I have seen him - very fast, decent finisher, but of course still learning his craft.So what are we to do, let the 3 of them go? Leave us with one striker, Rooney? Replace 3 strikers with another 3 or maybe, just maybe, work with them all and get them fitting in to the system or work a system to suit them?
I refuse to believe that Falcao has lost the art of finishing.
RvP - a difficult one. I would let him go, because I think he is past it. But he does have long peaks and troughs, and this MIGHT just be a sustained dip in form. I doubt it, though, so I would ship him out.
As I have said before, we should be looking to buy a couple of youngish strikers.
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