The Official Tottenham Hotspur Thread [Vol 7]
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I don't really think Poch is at fault for much of this. Yes his selection of Ade was odd but generally there is a rotten core running through the club.
Poch has a team of players he doesn't know or probably want. In summer he wanted Schneiderlin and Mussachio to at least start building a squad he wants. Instead he got Stambouli and Fazio at a fraction of the price (and seemingly quality!) This director of football system doesn't work, and until the manager is allowed to select and get the players he wants our problems will remain.
We have a lot of average players, that we paid a lot of money for but none of them are winners.
I have faith in Poch and his system but simple truth is most of these players can't/won't play in it!
Poch has a team of players he doesn't know or probably want. In summer he wanted Schneiderlin and Mussachio to at least start building a squad he wants. Instead he got Stambouli and Fazio at a fraction of the price (and seemingly quality!) This director of football system doesn't work, and until the manager is allowed to select and get the players he wants our problems will remain.
We have a lot of average players, that we paid a lot of money for but none of them are winners.
I have faith in Poch and his system but simple truth is most of these players can't/won't play in it!
Poch isn't at fault at all, as you said he was given the job and then not provided with tools he needed.
I've said it again and again Levy is a small time chairman who is only in for him and his boss, this tells you all you need to know.
http://transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/transfer...
I've said it again and again Levy is a small time chairman who is only in for him and his boss, this tells you all you need to know.
http://transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/transfer...
ascayman said:
Poch isn't at fault at all, as you said he was given the job and then not provided with tools he needed.
I've said it again and again Levy is a small time chairman who is only in for him and his boss, this tells you all you need to know.
http://transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/transfer...
A net transfer spend familiar to all supporters of clubs who have built a stadium. I've said it again and again Levy is a small time chairman who is only in for him and his boss, this tells you all you need to know.
http://transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/transfer...
I don't see Levy/ENIC going anywhere until the stadium is built....Arsenal's share price went up 300% plus between 2006 and 2011 when as you will know there was no success on the pitch to drive that!
Cheib said:
ascayman said:
Poch isn't at fault at all, as you said he was given the job and then not provided with tools he needed.
I've said it again and again Levy is a small time chairman who is only in for him and his boss, this tells you all you need to know.
http://transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/transfer...
A net transfer spend familiar to all supporters of clubs who have built a stadium. I've said it again and again Levy is a small time chairman who is only in for him and his boss, this tells you all you need to know.
http://transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/transfer...
I don't see Levy/ENIC going anywhere until the stadium is built....Arsenal's share price went up 300% plus between 2006 and 2011 when as you will know there was no success on the pitch to drive that!
maximm said:
Yep...I'd agree with that...and as a fan for the last 25 years it's a constant so I'm not sure why it is a surprise to some. 'We've always been like this'...why is anyone expecting different?As fans we say "oh it's the same old Tottenham"..."what we need is stability"...."give the manager time". And what happens at the first sign of difficult things? That's right...sack the manager talk or boo the team. It's pathetic.
He's 9 games in to his tenure and as you can see is still trying to figure out his best side while having players in the squad that he doesn't want. I really would like to just give someone 2-3 years and all the necessary transfer windows to put in place something and not just lurch from one direction to another.
This is the key point
"some kind of direction to has to be committed to and tolerated for better or worse."
Levy simply HAS to stick with Pochettino and more to the point, back him in the transfer market. None of these last minute deals, done as cheaply as poss.
Get the targets in, quick and give Pochettino some time to work with them pre-season. I think Levy has been terrible over the last few years, he struck lucky with Redknapp and thought that was it, job done. It doesn't work like that and as the article says, the constant chopping and changing of staff is reflective of our play on the pitch. Excellent Article.
"some kind of direction to has to be committed to and tolerated for better or worse."
Levy simply HAS to stick with Pochettino and more to the point, back him in the transfer market. None of these last minute deals, done as cheaply as poss.
Get the targets in, quick and give Pochettino some time to work with them pre-season. I think Levy has been terrible over the last few years, he struck lucky with Redknapp and thought that was it, job done. It doesn't work like that and as the article says, the constant chopping and changing of staff is reflective of our play on the pitch. Excellent Article.
Playing Eriksen, Chadli & Pamela in midfielder together and then wondering why there is no width, is the manager’s fault. As is not realising and only making a change with 10mins to go. Doesn’t matter who bought the players or how long they have been there, it should be obvious once the game is underway. In his defence, he probably couldn’t see what was happening on the other side of the pitch but then if I was a manager, I’d be watching from the stands.
Still, I’ll give him until the end of November…..
Still, I’ll give him until the end of November…..
TEKNOPUG said:
Playing Eriksen, Chadli & Pamela in midfielder together and then wondering why there is no width, is the manager’s fault. As is not realising and only making a change with 10mins to go. Doesn’t matter who bought the players or how long they have been there, it should be obvious once the game is underway. In his defence, he probably couldn’t see what was happening on the other side of the pitch but then if I was a manager, I’d be watching from the stands.
Still, I’ll give him until the end of November…..
In the system we play the width is provided by the fullbacks, its not poch's fault that we have lost walker, naughton and let yeddlin stay in the states and now have to play a centre back there. when/if walker comes back then we will have plenty of width on either side from him and rose, so I don't think we can blame him for that. Still, I’ll give him until the end of November…..
If I do have a criticism of Poch its this two defensive midfielders b
ks I can understand doing that away to Chelsea but at home to west brom and Newcastle? bit too negative imo ascayman said:
In the system we play the width is provided by the fullbacks, its not poch's fault that we have lost walker, naughton and let yeddlin stay in the states and now have to play a centre back there.
If you haven't got the player's then you change the system to suit what you have at your disposal. It's like United persisting with a 3 at the back system, when they only have 1 fit CB. Round pegs, square holes etc...ascayman said:
If I do have a criticism of Poch its this two defensive midfielders bks I can understand doing that away to Chelsea but at home to west brom and Newcastle? bit too negative imo
Is Mason a DM? Possibly. Picking Eriksen, Chaldi & Pamela and then letting them all try and play in the same space is folly. It's obvious that all Pamela want's to do is cut-in on his left peg. So the middle of the pitch just becomes more congested and easier to defend. Why not play him on the left and tell him to beat the man and cross it, dragging their defence across with him?ks I can understand doing that away to Chelsea but at home to west brom and Newcastle? bit too negative imo And Phant's is a waste of time and why doesn't he start Kane and oh, everything......
TEKNOPUG said:
ascayman said:
In the system we play the width is provided by the fullbacks, its not poch's fault that we have lost walker, naughton and let yeddlin stay in the states and now have to play a centre back there.
If you haven't got the player's then you change the system to suit what you have at your disposal. It's like United persisting with a 3 at the back system, when they only have 1 fit CB. Round pegs, square holes etc...ascayman said:
If I do have a criticism of Poch its this two defensive midfielders bks I can understand doing that away to Chelsea but at home to west brom and Newcastle? bit too negative imo
Is Mason a DM? Possibly. Picking Eriksen, Chaldi & Pamela and then letting them all try and play in the same space is folly. It's obvious that all Pamela want's to do is cut-in on his left peg. So the middle of the pitch just becomes more congested and easier to defend. Why not play him on the left and tell him to beat the man and cross it, dragging their defence across with him?ks I can understand doing that away to Chelsea but at home to west brom and Newcastle? bit too negative imo And Phant's is a waste of time and why doesn't he start Kane and oh, everything......
every system I can think of requires a right back or right wing back, we have two players that specialise in that position and they are both injured so there has to be an element of round pegs etcLamela played on the right of a front 3 for Roma its where he's played most of his career.
As for phant's you're completely right I couldn't believe he started yesterday, of the three strikers we had available id say he was the least deserving of a start.
ascayman said:
What are you saying that the manager should pick a system with no right side? every system I can think of requires a right back or right wing back, we have two players that specialise in that position and they are both injured so there has to be an element of round pegs etc
Lamela played on the right of a front 3 for Roma its where he's played most of his career.
As for phant's you're completely right I couldn't believe he started yesterday, of the three strikers we had available id say he was the least deserving of a start.
Not at all. Simply if you want to play a system that require's a right-sided wing back but only have a CB at your disposal (who played 90mins on Thursday) you might want to consider changing your system so that it doesn't require a wing back. A system that might require a conventional, defensive RB and a RM/W. Pick a player such as Lennon or Townsend, rather than 5 central midfielders. At the very least, tell one of the 5 CMs you've picked, to actually play on the right. every system I can think of requires a right back or right wing back, we have two players that specialise in that position and they are both injured so there has to be an element of round pegs etcLamela played on the right of a front 3 for Roma its where he's played most of his career.
As for phant's you're completely right I couldn't believe he started yesterday, of the three strikers we had available id say he was the least deserving of a start.
ascayman said:
So you'd have dropped Lamela for Lennon or (shudder) Townsend?
He'd have been lynched if he'd dropped Lamela after 'that' goal.
I would have played 442 but that’s for a different discussion.He'd have been lynched if he'd dropped Lamela after 'that' goal.
Mason, Eriksen & Lamela to start. Did we even need Capoue? One of either Chadli, Lennon or Townsend should have played on the right as it was unrealistic to expect Dier to cover both defensive and attacking duties on the right flank, especially as he played the whole of Thursday.
Newcastle turned up expecting to lose and were there for the taking. We couldn’t even manage to put out a balanced team and gifted them the points.
Lamela will be far more effective if he is allowed to play without responsibilities; by that, I mean without a recognised position. So he can find the space and will be difficult to mark. If we are only playing one up front then it be possible to use him as a 2nd striker and not effect the balance of the team.
Saturday we appeared to be playing Mason, Capoue and Eriksen in the middle and Chadli & Lamela as inside left/right. Fine if you have Rose on the left who can provide the width but it was obvious from early on that Dier wasn’t able to replicate on the right, so something should have been done. Bringing Lennon on with 12 mins to go suggested that Poch realised this too. 30mins too late though.
ascayman said:
442 isn't this managers style.
He plays a 4231 just like avb did and mourinho does, other than picking the wrong striker I think he got the team about right. It certainly should have been enough to beat Newcastle.
The problems at this club are far greater than the manager.
Losing to Newcastle shouldn't be his style either but it will be if he can't see when things aren't working during a match and come up with a solution. I'm not getting at the manager and have no interest in seeing him dismissed anytime soon. Just some musings based on yesterday's performance.He plays a 4231 just like avb did and mourinho does, other than picking the wrong striker I think he got the team about right. It certainly should have been enough to beat Newcastle.
The problems at this club are far greater than the manager.
TEKNOPUG said:
Losing to Newcastle shouldn't be his style either but it will be if he can't see when things aren't working during a match and come up with a solution. I'm not getting at the manager and have no interest in seeing him dismissed anytime soon. Just some musings based on yesterday's performance.
The only question that Lennon is the answer to is "who should be sold first in January". Hasn't had a good game in 3 seasons at least. London424 said:
The only question that Lennon is the answer to is "who should be sold first in January". Hasn't had a good game in 3 seasons at least.
I didn't suggest actually passing the ball to Lennon
Someone needed to be out wide to drag their defence across and create some space/movement. 67% possession, 18 shots, 2 on target. In other words, camped outside their box, no way through the centre as too many bodies in the way, forced to shoot from distance and the shots being blocked.Didn't need to bring Lennon on, could have just as easily told Lamela, Chadli or Eriksen to stay out wide. A manager really earns their money once the game starts. All the coaching and tactics go out the window if things aren't working on the pitch. The ability to recognise when things are going wrong and come up with solutions, during the game, are the difference between successful manager's and unemployed manager's.
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